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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 02 2011,03:22)

Our (Bodies) are the temples of the living GOD.

Temples OF WHO?  Temples OF WHO, Gene?  WHO is it that HAS temples?  Oh, that's right………..THE LIVING GOD – like you just said, right?  

Has YOUR light turned on yet?  And it's funny that the twist-master himself would accuse someone else, Mr. “the Word came to be IN someone who WAS flesh”!  

Gene, the only One who can be said to come to HIS temple, is YHVH………..or maybe some false god somewhere.

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Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 01 2011,14:15) Hi Mike, Happy New Year to you and your handful at the pier! Thanks, but we're back home safe and sound in Az.  Happy new year to you and yours, Kathi. Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 01 2011,14:15) If the 'temple' was the Father's in that verse, it would not say 'His' temple but 'My' temple.  I checked the Greek and it is definitely written in the third person and not the first person. Kathi, find me a scripture where Jesus DOESN'T refer to “the Son of Man” in the third person.  Does that mean the “Son of Man” is not Jesus?  God also speaks this way throughout scripture.  Maybe His Son picked up the habit from “the old man”, huh?   Kathi, the Father and the Son are not worshipped by anyone who follows the commands of God or His Son.  But can you show me one scripture that refers to JESUS' temple………as support to your understanding of Malachi? peace and love, mike

Hi Mike,
Have you heard of Solomon's temple? He built the temple of the Lord and it is at times called Solomon's temple.

Zechariah 6:13 New American Standard Bible (©1995)
“Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices.”'

This refers to Christ in the future and has to do with Joshua as a type of Christ.

[terraricca]

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 31 2010,23:34) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 01 2011,14:15) Hi Mike, Happy New Year to you and your handful at the pier! Thanks, but we're back home safe and sound in Az.  Happy new year to you and yours, Kathi. Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 01 2011,14:15) If the 'temple' was the Father's in that verse, it would not say 'His' temple but 'My' temple.  I checked the Greek and it is definitely written in the third person and not the first person. Kathi, find me a scripture where Jesus DOESN'T refer to “the Son of Man” in the third person.  Does that mean the “Son of Man” is not Jesus?  God also speaks this way throughout scripture.  Maybe His Son picked up the habit from “the old man”, huh?   Kathi, the Father and the Son are not worshipped by anyone who follows the commands of God or His Son.  But can you show me one scripture that refers to JESUS' temple………as support to your understanding of Malachi? peace and love, mike Hi Mike, Have you heard of Solomon's temple? He built the temple of the Lord and it is at times called Solomon's temple. Zechariah 6:13 New American Standard Bible (©1995) “Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices.”' This refers to Christ in the future and has to do with Joshua as a type of Christ.

Kathi

this is #4;;Ps 27:4 One thing I ask of the LORD,
this is what I seek:
that I may dwell in the house of the LORD
all the days of my life,
to gaze upon the beauty of the LORD
and to seek him in his temple.

THIS IS THE MESSENGER;ZEC;6;12-14(LXX)
Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall spring up from his stem, and build the house of the Lord. 13 And he shall receive power, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and there shall be a priest on his right hand, and a peaceable counsel shall be between them both.

14 And the crown shall be to them

Pierre

[Lightenup]

Pierre,
The Father and the Son are both on the throne in their temple.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 02 2011,04:23)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 02 2011,03:22) Our (Bodies) are the temples of the living GOD. Temples OF WHO?  Temples OF WHO, Gene?  WHO is it that HAS temples?  Oh, that's right………..THE LIVING GOD – like you just said, right?   Has YOUR light turned on yet?  And it's funny that the twist-master himself would accuse someone else, Mr. “the Word came to be IN someone who WAS flesh”!   Gene, the only One who can be said to come to HIS temple, is YHVH………..or maybe some false god somewhere.

Mike………All flesh is the Temples of the Living GOD, because they are all created by him and the Spirit he puts (IN) them is what animates them the same as us. So from that sense all that has life (IN) it is a Temple of GOD. But that does not negate Paul's says OUR BODIES ARE A TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD. He did not did not make it exclusive as you are, by implying only Jesus' body was his temple.  “THAT GOD MAY BE (IN) ALL AND THROUGH (all)” , God was indeed (IN) Jesus Just as he said he was, and that same GOD can be (IN) Us the same way He was (IN) Jesus , So the (WORD WHICH WAS AND IS GOD) became (which means came to be) (IN) Jesus , the word was (NOT) Jesus it was (IN) Jesus. Remember  Thomas, “MY LORD (AND) MY GOD. Now tell me did this turn on your light some brother? You must stop trying to separate Jesus from our (EXACT) Identity Mike, that is the spirit (intellect) of those against Christ that is what a Antichrists is. IMO

Peace and love…………………………gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 02 2011,08:02)

Hi Mike, Have you heard of Solomon's temple? He built the temple of the Lord and it is at times called Solomon's temple.

Hi Kathi,

Is that a temple where we go to worship Solomon? Of is “Solomon's temple” a way of saying, “the temple of YHVH that Solomon built”?

Same with Jesus. Jesus “built” YHVH's new temple, but we don't worship the builder there, only the One whose temple it is.

peace and love,
mike

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 03 2011,03:13)

He did not did not make it exclusive as you are, by implying only Jesus' body was his temple.

Hi Gene,

Do you even know what you're railing against me about?  

Kathi is saying that YHVH's temple is also Jesus' temple – a place where both should be worshipped.  I'm arguing that only YHVH has a temple where we worship ONLY him.

Scriptures say that Jesus' body AND the bodies of believers are that temple.  But the point I'm making is that the temples are YHVH's temples, not YHVH AND Jesus'.  The only ones in scripture who have temples are YHVH and false gods.  Jesus does not have his own temple, and therefore the “Lord” in Mal 1:1 must be YHVH, because it says he will come to “HIS TEMPLE”.  Jesus does not have a temple where people go to worship him.

Do you get it now?  You are making a point of arguing against things that no one is even claiming.    Please read the posts carefully instead of seeing my name and deciding you must argue against what I'm saying just for the sake of it.

Btw Gene, this is just a helpful observation:
Don't you know how to bold your text?  Because all the parenthesis mixed into your posts make them confusing and hard to understand.  Instead of parenthesis, I would suggest bolding or underlining the words you are emphasizing.

peace and love,
mike

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 02 2011,19:46)

Pierre, The Father and the Son are both on the throne in their temple.

Kathi

you are not right about the temple of Jesus (Jesus and the 144k are the temple of God) but this was not that time ,,

it was after Christ dead and resurrection that your view take place.

Pierre

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Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 02 2011,08:02) Hi Mike, Have you heard of Solomon's temple? He built the temple of the Lord and it is at times called Solomon's temple. Hi Kathi, Is that a temple where we go to worship Solomon?  Of is “Solomon's temple” a way of saying, “the temple of YHVH that Solomon built”? Same with Jesus.  Jesus “built” YHVH's new temple, but we don't worship the builder there, only the One whose temple it is. peace and love, mike

Mike,
That's right that you can call it “so and so's temple” if they built it. There is a difference in Solomon and the temple and Jesus and the temple. Solomon didn't rule and reign in the temple but Solomon reigned in the kingdom. Jesus sits on the throne in the temple of the Lord, on the throne of God. Isn't that different…to sit on the throne in the temple and to sit on the throne in the kingdom. Jesus does both as I recall plus, in the temple He has the office of High Priest.

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Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 02 2011,19:46) Pierre, The Father and the Son are both on the throne in their temple. Kathi you are not right about the temple of Jesus (Jesus and the 144k are the temple of God) but this was not that time ,, it was after Christ dead and resurrection that your view take place. Pierre

Pierre,
Jesus is seated on the throne now, since the resurrection and exaltation. That's right.

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 04 2011,20:03)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 02 2011,14:35) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 02 2011,19:46) Pierre, The Father and the Son are both on the throne in their temple. Kathi you are not right about the temple of Jesus (Jesus and the 144k are the temple of God) but this was not that time ,, it was after Christ dead and resurrection that your view take place. Pierre Pierre, Jesus is seated on the throne now, since the resurrection and exaltation.  That's right.

Kathi

that as nothing to do with Mal;3;1-3

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Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 02 2011,15:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 31 2010,23:34) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 01 2011,14:15) Hi Mike, Happy New Year to you and your handful at the pier! Thanks, but we're back home safe and sound in Az.  Happy new year to you and yours, Kathi. Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 01 2011,14:15) If the 'temple' was the Father's in that verse, it would not say 'His' temple but 'My' temple.  I checked the Greek and it is definitely written in the third person and not the first person. Kathi, find me a scripture where Jesus DOESN'T refer to “the Son of Man” in the third person.  Does that mean the “Son of Man” is not Jesus?  God also speaks this way throughout scripture.  Maybe His Son picked up the habit from “the old man”, huh?   Kathi, the Father and the Son are not worshipped by anyone who follows the commands of God or His Son.  But can you show me one scripture that refers to JESUS' temple………as support to your understanding of Malachi? peace and love, mike Hi Mike, Have you heard of Solomon's temple? He built the temple of the Lord and it is at times called Solomon's temple. Zechariah 6:13 New American Standard Bible (©1995) “Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices.”' This refers to Christ in the future and has to do with Joshua as a type of Christ. Kathi this is #4;;Ps 27:4 One thing I ask of the LORD, this is what I seek: that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the LORD and to seek him in his temple. THIS IS THE MESSENGER;ZEC;6;12-14(LXX) Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall spring up from his stem, and build the house of the Lord. 13 And he shall receive power, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and there shall be a priest on his right hand, and a peaceable counsel shall be between them both. 14 And the crown shall be to them Pierre

Pierre,
Tell me who is the “I” in Psalms 27:4

ANd what man's name is The Branch? from Zech 6:12-14

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 04 2011,21:29)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2011,18:25) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 02 2011,15:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 31 2010,23:34) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 01 2011,14:15) Hi Mike, Happy New Year to you and your handful at the pier! Thanks, but we're back home safe and sound in Az.  Happy new year to you and yours, Kathi. Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 01 2011,14:15) If the 'temple' was the Father's in that verse, it would not say 'His' temple but 'My' temple.  I checked the Greek and it is definitely written in the third person and not the first person. Kathi, find me a scripture where Jesus DOESN'T refer to “the Son of Man” in the third person.  Does that mean the “Son of Man” is not Jesus?  God also speaks this way throughout scripture.  Maybe His Son picked up the habit from “the old man”, huh?   Kathi, the Father and the Son are not worshipped by anyone who follows the commands of God or His Son.  But can you show me one scripture that refers to JESUS' temple………as support to your understanding of Malachi? peace and love, mike Hi Mike, Have you heard of Solomon's temple? He built the temple of the Lord and it is at times called Solomon's temple. Zechariah 6:13 New American Standard Bible (©1995) “Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices.”' This refers to Christ in the future and has to do with Joshua as a type of Christ. Kathi this is #4;;Ps 27:4 One thing I ask of the LORD, this is what I seek: that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the LORD and to seek him in his temple. THIS IS THE MESSENGER;ZEC;6;12-14(LXX) Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall spring up from his stem, and build the house of the Lord. 13 And he shall receive power, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and there shall be a priest on his right hand, and a peaceable counsel shall be between them both. 14 And the crown shall be to them Pierre Pierre, Tell me who is the “I” in Psalms 27:4 ANd what man's name is The Branch? from Zech 6:12-14

Kathi

PSm 27.4 it is Jesus the “I” but the temple is the LORD s

the” I” is the messenger ,the messenger does not have a temple,this is why he requested to be in the temple of the LORD.

Pierre

[GeneBalthrop]

To All………..ALL Physical Bodies are temples of the Living GOD and they are our bodies we live in and through. God was Cohabiting (IN) Jesus' (BODY) which He called a Temple and said if they destroyed it He would raise it up in three days. All flesh are temples of the living GOD , The false teaching that we can live without a Body is simply not true, not now or ever will we either. The separation of the Body and Spirit is death and when we die our thought Parish and we are not longer alive and will remain that way forever unless GOD resurrects our same DNA body and add Spirit back into it. We can be destroyed (IN) the GRAVE as Jesus Said we can, a resurrection is crucial for us to live again after we die , our bodies must be reconstructed and Spirit added back into ti just as Jesus' body was resurected also and His spirit added back into it, the same must happen to us in order fro us to continue to live. IMO

peace and love to you all…………………………….gene

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Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 04 2011,21:29) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2011,18:25) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 02 2011,15:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 31 2010,23:34) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 01 2011,14:15) Hi Mike, Happy New Year to you and your handful at the pier! Thanks, but we're back home safe and sound in Az.  Happy new year to you and yours, Kathi. Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 01 2011,14:15) If the 'temple' was the Father's in that verse, it would not say 'His' temple but 'My' temple.  I checked the Greek and it is definitely written in the third person and not the first person. Kathi, find me a scripture where Jesus DOESN'T refer to “the Son of Man” in the third person.  Does that mean the “Son of Man” is not Jesus?  God also speaks this way throughout scripture.  Maybe His Son picked up the habit from “the old man”, huh?   Kathi, the Father and the Son are not worshipped by anyone who follows the commands of God or His Son.  But can you show me one scripture that refers to JESUS' temple………as support to your understanding of Malachi? peace and love, mike Hi Mike, Have you heard of Solomon's temple? He built the temple of the Lord and it is at times called Solomon's temple. Zechariah 6:13 New American Standard Bible (©1995) “Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices.”' This refers to Christ in the future and has to do with Joshua as a type of Christ. Kathi this is #4;;Ps 27:4 One thing I ask of the LORD, this is what I seek: that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the LORD and to seek him in his temple. THIS IS THE MESSENGER;ZEC;6;12-14(LXX) Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall spring up from his stem, and build the house of the Lord. 13 And he shall receive power, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and there shall be a priest on his right hand, and a peaceable counsel shall be between them both. 14 And the crown shall be to them Pierre Pierre, Tell me who is the “I” in Psalms 27:4 ANd what man's name is The Branch? from Zech 6:12-14 Kathi PSm 27.4 it is Jesus the “I” but the temple is the LORD s the” I” is the messenger ,the messenger does not have a temple,this is why he requested to be in the temple of the LORD. Pierre

Pierre,
The 'messenger' rules on the throne in the temple of the Lord. The one on the throne in the temple is deity in the temple and is worshiped.

Do you know of any verse that one sits on the throne in the temple of the Lord that is not deity?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 04 2011,12:58)

Jesus does both as I recall plus, in the temple He has the office of High Priest.

Hi Kathi,

You are so right. Jesus is the Priest. When has God ever allowed one of His PRIESTS to be worshipped? A priest is one who goes before God in behalf of mankind. A priest is not the God he goes before, nor is he worshipped as if he IS that God. And also, a priest does “rule” in a spiritual way FROM THE TEMPLE OF HIS GOD. Just like Jesus will, right?

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 05 2011,08:39)

Pierre, The 'messenger' rules on the throne in the temple of the Lord.  The one on the throne in the temple is deity in the temple and is worshiped. Do you know of any verse that one sits on the throne in the temple of the Lord that is not deity?

Revelation 3:21 NIV
To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Boy, we sure are going to have a lot of deities when this happens!  

mike

[Lightenup]

Mike,
No one else is seated on the “Father's throne” but the Father and the Son, so that would have been a better question from me.

Do you know of any verse that one sits on the Father's throne in the temple of the Lord that is not deity?

[GeneBalthrop]

Lightenup……….Why does it say “and the Kingdom will we Given to the Saints of the Most High and they shall poses it forever” then?

Our bodies are the temple of the most high God live vicariously in and through all his creation and that include Jesus and Us, and all that has life in it. It was not Jesus saying “destory this temple and in three day (I) shall raise it up ” that was GOD the FATHER Speaking through Jesus mouth. He truly was (IN) Jesus and that does not Make Jesus the GOD that was (IN) Him and speaking through him as the false teachers of the Trinity and Preexistence teach. IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 05 2011,16:01)

Mike, No one else is seated on the “Father's throne” but the Father and the Son, so that would have been a better question from me. Do you know of any verse that one sits on the Father's throne in the temple of the Lord that is not deity?

Hi Kathi,

I forgot about this thread for a minute!

My answer is “NO”. Jesus is a god, or “deity”, for that's all the word means. And all “god” means is “powerful ruler”. So yes, the second most powerful ruler in existence was GRANTED by HIS God to sit on the throne of HIS God with Him.

What's your point? How does this make Jesus have a temple where people can go to worship him?

peace and love,
mike

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