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[Ed J]

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,10:14)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,04:02) Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,03:48) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 01 2011,01:01) Georg……….So you are serious right, then why reject the Scriptures EDJ Posted then. Like Isiah 44:24, and Rev 4:11, you can't answer them so you people try to attack the person and think by your stupid word play that makes you right. This what most Preexistences do,  anything the goes against their false teachings the try to make the person look stupid , when in fact it is YOU who is not taking the word seriously. Just answer EDJ'S post without all the other crap, IF YOU CAN. IMO peace and love…………………………………gene Ed is no different than you, he never answers questions, and brings up scriptures instead that have nothing to do with the topic. YOU ask me a question, and I WILL answer YOU; although it maybe difficult to do, since you don't believe scripture; but I will at least try. Georg Hi Georg, I have a question for you: explain this verse in light of you disagreeing with us? 2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us  “The Word” of reconciliation. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:   To most readers this would show that the Mind, the Holy Spirit of God, was in Jesus. Jesus reconciled the world to himself, because only through him can the world be saved. As long as you believe, and trust in the word of Jesus, and obey the commandment of Jesus, God will not count your sin against you. And hath committed unto us, the apostles, the word, the gospel of reconciliation. Georg

Hi Georg,

I appreciate your attempt to answer my question,
but perhaps my question was not specific enough?
“The Word” of reconciliation (I believe) to both Gene
and myself means God through the “HolySpirit” was in
Jesus reconciling the world to himself. The question is…
Do you believe “The Word” was the “HolySpirit” in Jesus
reconciling the world to himself? And if you don't, why not?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2011,10:16)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,11:46) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2011,04:37) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,11:02) Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,03:48) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 01 2011,01:01) Georg……….So you are serious right, then why reject the Scriptures EDJ Posted then. Like Isiah 44:24, and Rev 4:11, you can't answer them so you people try to attack the person and think by your stupid word play that makes you right. This what most Preexistences do,  anything the goes against their false teachings the try to make the person look stupid , when in fact it is YOU who is not taking the word seriously. Just answer EDJ'S post without all the other crap, IF YOU CAN. IMO peace and love…………………………………gene Ed is no different than you, he never answers questions, and brings up scriptures instead that have nothing to do with the topic. YOU ask me a question, and I WILL answer YOU; although it maybe difficult to do, since you don't believe scripture; but I will at least try. Georg Hi Georg, I have a question for you: explain this verse in light of you disagreeing with us? 2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us  “The Word” of reconciliation. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj thats not a question, read the the verse it is self explanatory, but i guess your mind will confuse you,and so you may see things that are not there. Pierre Hi Pierre, So you agree then: that “The Word” is the HolySpirit? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj is that what that scripture says ?? it is not written so it must be only in you sight of mind, show me if it is I who can't see Pierre

Hi Pierre,

See my previous Post to Georg. You too can answer my question, if you can?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,17:42)

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,10:14) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,04:02) Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,03:48) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 01 2011,01:01) Georg……….So you are serious right, then why reject the Scriptures EDJ Posted then. Like Isiah 44:24, and Rev 4:11, you can't answer them so you people try to attack the person and think by your stupid word play that makes you right. This what most Preexistences do,  anything the goes against their false teachings the try to make the person look stupid , when in fact it is YOU who is not taking the word seriously. Just answer EDJ'S post without all the other crap, IF YOU CAN. IMO peace and love…………………………………gene Ed is no different than you, he never answers questions, and brings up scriptures instead that have nothing to do with the topic. YOU ask me a question, and I WILL answer YOU; although it maybe difficult to do, since you don't believe scripture; but I will at least try. Georg Hi Georg, I have a question for you: explain this verse in light of you disagreeing with us? 2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us  “The Word” of reconciliation. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:   To most readers this would show that the Mind, the Holy Spirit of God, was in Jesus. Jesus reconciled the world to himself, because only through him can the world be saved. As long as you believe, and trust in the word of Jesus, and obey the commandment of Jesus, God will not count your sin against you. And hath committed unto us, the apostles, the word, the gospel of reconciliation. Georg Hi Georg, I appreciate your attempt to answer my question, but perhaps my question was not specific enough? “The Word” of reconciliation (I believe) to both Gene and myself means God through the “HolySpirit” was in Jesus reconciling the world to himself. The question is… Do you believe “The Word” was the “HolySpirit” in Jesus reconciling the world to himself? And if you don't, why not? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ

IF WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE THEN God IS A GEANT GELLY FISH ;

and we will end up all in the mushroom,

can you not understand anything in the scriptures,not even that God is spirit, and is himself and does not take passengers on board.

that's why he created beings (with spirits ,) so they could think for themselves and not needing a baby sitting ,

you guys are still on milk

Pierre

[Tim Kraft]

To Ed and Gene: Great posts with powerful scriptures. Definitely meat not milk!! 2Cor.5:19 and Phil.2:5 still blow me away! God bless your efforts to teach. TK

[Baker]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,10:42)

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,10:14) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,04:02) Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,03:48) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 01 2011,01:01) Georg……….So you are serious right, then why reject the Scriptures EDJ Posted then. Like Isiah 44:24, and Rev 4:11, you can't answer them so you people try to attack the person and think by your stupid word play that makes you right. This what most Preexistences do,  anything the goes against their false teachings the try to make the person look stupid , when in fact it is YOU who is not taking the word seriously. Just answer EDJ'S post without all the other crap, IF YOU CAN. IMO peace and love…………………………………gene Ed is no different than you, he never answers questions, and brings up scriptures instead that have nothing to do with the topic. YOU ask me a question, and I WILL answer YOU; although it maybe difficult to do, since you don't believe scripture; but I will at least try. Georg Hi Georg, I have a question for you: explain this verse in light of you disagreeing with us? 2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us  “The Word” of reconciliation. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:   To most readers this would show that the Mind, the Holy Spirit of God, was in Jesus. Jesus reconciled the world to himself, because only through him can the world be saved. As long as you believe, and trust in the word of Jesus, and obey the commandment of Jesus, God will not count your sin against you. And hath committed unto us, the apostles, the word, the gospel of reconciliation. Georg Hi Georg, I appreciate your attempt to answer my question, but perhaps my question was not specific enough? “The Word” of reconciliation (I believe) to both Gene and myself means God through the “HolySpirit” was in Jesus reconciling the world to himself. The question is… Do you believe “The Word” was the “HolySpirit” in Jesus reconciling the world to himself? And if you don't, why not? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I wonder if you know the meaning of “reconciling”?
To reconcile is, to bring “us” back into favor with God; it means that “we” are no longer opposed to God.
God, “through” Jesus sacrifice, reconciled us to Him.

Yes, the Holy Spirit/Mind was “IN” Jesus, NO, the word was NOT the holy spirit. Now you can argue that point by saying, God is holy, his Spirit/Mind is holy, so his word has to be holy too, yes, that would be true, but, that does not make the “words” the Holy Spirit.

The words YOU speak, do they make you, you? NO, but they tell us “about” you; like, are you angry? are you happy? do you show wisdom? do you show understanding?

Georg

[GeneBalthrop]

Georg………..A word (IS) the expression of the MIND a Word is (INTELLIGENT UTTERANCE) God and his words are one and the same , If his Words are (IN) you then GOD is (IN) YOU. This is the same for us as well as it was for Jesus. You still do not understand what Spirit really is. IMO

peace and love………………………………………….gene

[Baker]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 01 2011,23:12)

Georg………..A word (IS) the expression of the MIND a Word is (INTELLIGENT UTTERANCE) God and his words are one and the same , If his Words are (IN) you then GOD is (IN) YOU. This is the same for us as well as it was for Jesus. You still do not understand what Spirit really is. IMO peace and love………………………………………….gene

Ja, you're right, your words are what was first formed in your mind, and then they were expressed, spoken; or they were written down, as here for instant. So your telling me that if I look at your words, I see you?
If spirit is, as you say, intellect; then God is intellect with hands, arms, mouth, eyes, nose, etc., am I getting you correct? if not, you tell me what God, spirit, is.
Are not angels spirit?
Are not devils spirit?
You know the Bible speaks of them.

Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Feb. 01 2011,20:58)

To Ed and Gene: Great posts with powerful scriptures. Definitely meat not milk!! 2Cor.5:19 and Phil.2:5 still blow me away! God bless your efforts to teach. TK

Hi Tim,

I believe in the “Perfection” that you profess,
but it's not because we disregard the Law,
rather we establish the law. (Rom.3:31)

But the systems of religion…
Have a form of godliness, but denying
the power (of “Perfection”) thereof: (2Tm:3:5)
Heb.11:40 God having provided some better thing for us,
that they without us should not be made perfect. (Eph.4:1-16)

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[Ed J]

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,22:47)

The words YOU speak, do they make you, you? Georg

Hi Georg,

They sure do!

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[Baker]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,08:33)

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,22:47) The words YOU speak, do they make you, you? Georg Hi Georg, They sure do! Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

Yes, they also tell of you.

Georg

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,08:33)

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,22:47) The words YOU speak, do they make you, you? Georg Hi Georg, They sure do! Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

EDJ…………Absolutely Right brother, a man and his word are one and the same thing. The world proceed out from his heart and they disclose who and what he is. God's Words and He are also the same thing they are Spirit and Life just as Jesus said they were. We do definitely agree on this brother.

peace and love………………………………gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,19:27)

Hi Mike, The Bible says YHVH created all things.

Yes Ed.

But WHO does it say He created all things THROUGH? Does it say “all of us”?

Read 1 Cor 8:6, Ed. All things came FROM God and all things came THROUGH Jesus………….not “all of us”.

Is that enough scriptural proof?

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2011,10:16)

edj is that what that scripture says ?? it is not written so it must be only in you sight of mind, show me if it is I who can't see

[Baker]

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 02 2011,10:37)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,08:33) Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,22:47) The words YOU speak, do they make you, you? Georg Hi Georg, They sure do! Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16) Yes,  they also tell of you. Georg

Yes, I agree too…..We can tell of the way we write our words down what we believe or what not…..Our mind our Spirit which goes back to God……..One day God will give us a new body and it will have the same mind or Spirit….we will know what we did or not do here on earth….
Paul says let the mind which was in Jesus be in you.

Phl 2:1 ¶ If [there be] therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,

Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: …

Peace Irene

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 02 2011,13:28)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,19:27) Hi Mike, The Bible says YHVH created all things. Yes Ed. But WHO does it say He created all things THROUGH?  Does it say “all of us”?   Read 1 Cor 8:6, Ed.  All things came FROM God and all things came THROUGH Jesus………….not “all of us”. Is that enough scriptural proof? peace and love, mike

Hi Mike,

The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev.13:15)
2Tm.1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling,
not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace,
which was given [[[us]]] in Christ Jesus before the world began, (John 15:27)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,14:22)

The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev.13:15)

Hi Ed,

First of all, you DIDN'T address 1 Cor 8:6 like I asked you to.

Second, look up the above scripture in NETNotes and see what they say about it. It makes much better sense.

mike

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 02 2011,14:36)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,14:22) The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev.13:15) Hi Ed, First of all, you DIDN'T address 1 Cor 8:6 like I asked you to. Second, look up the above scripture in NETNotes and see what they say about it.  It makes much better sense. mike

Hi Mike,

I was “NOT” aware you wanted me to comment on 1 Cor.8:6.
God was able to Create all things because of Jesus' [†] crucifixion.
That's why I Posted the Scriptures that I posted; I hope this helps you?
1 Cor.8:6  But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things,
and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 02 2011,13:28)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,19:27) Hi Mike, The Bible says YHVH created all things. Yes Ed. But WHO does it say He created all things THROUGH?  Does it say “all of us”?   Read 1 Cor 8:6, Ed.  All things came FROM God and all things came THROUGH Jesus………….not “all of us”. Is that enough scriptural proof? peace and love, mike

Mike………..As i told you a long time ago it the word Through that is you trip word, that is not the true translation of that scripture that word was placed there by a Translator who was a trinitarians and as a result believed in Jesus as being a GOD and Preexisting his berth on earth. They as you have forced the text to meet their convictions of preexistences recieved from the Gnostic's. God and look up how many different way that word is translated in scriptures and it simple a Crap Shoot. Why not just believe what God Himself Said that He (ALONE AND BY HIMSELF) created everything, BY the way Paul said that also. I can produce it for you but i doubt it will convience you though. IMO

peace and love…………………………………..gene

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 02 2011,15:05)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 02 2011,13:28) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,19:27) Hi Mike, The Bible says YHVH created all things. Yes Ed. But WHO does it say He created all things THROUGH?  Does it say “all of us”?   Read 1 Cor 8:6, Ed.  All things came FROM God and all things came THROUGH Jesus………….not “all of us”. Is that enough scriptural proof? peace and love, mike Mike………..As i told you a long time ago it the word Through that is you trip word, that is not the true translation of that scripture that word was placed there by a Translator who was a trinitarians and as a result believed in Jesus as being a GOD and Preexisting his berth on earth. They as you have forced the text to meet their convictions of preexistences recieved from the Gnostic's. God and look up how many different way that word is translated in scriptures and it simple a Crap Shoot. Why not just believe what God Himself Said that He (ALONE AND BY HIMSELF) created everything, BY the way Paul said that also. I can produce it for you but i doubt it will convience you though.  IMO peace and love…………………………………..gene

Hi Gene,

Explain why you believe this verse is mistranslated?
Google translates 1 Cor.8:6 virtually the same as the “AKJV Bible”??

(Google) 1 Cor.8:6 But to us one God the Father, of whom all things,
and we in him and one Lord Jesus Christ through whom all things, and we, through Him.

1 Cor.8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things,
and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (AKJV Bible)

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Tim Kraft]

To all: Here is an interesting truth. Look up the word that was translated as “things”!! Its the greek word “logos”! According to my Strongs Exhaustive Concordance throughout the New Testament the word “thing” is almost always “Logos” the word of God!!

In him are all words….and by him are all words. Just thought I would share that little revelation. TK

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