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Hi Gene,
Are you claiming “Bad” is ‘evil’ as well?
Is your answer a “Yes” or a “No” ?
How I treat your answer is up to my “FreeWill”
Gene,
How many times do I have to ask you the same question to get you to answer?
Do I need to take you to “The Hot Seat” to get you to answer?
Please just answer my question…
Are you claiming “Bad” is ‘evil’ as well?
“Yes” or “No” ?
Lol. Good luck getting a straight and honest answer from Gene. And while he doesn’t have free will apparently, God will still hold him accountable for his choices.
Edj…..No, bad is a lesser “term” for evil, but it still tends toward evil. I am not saying bad is equal to evil, that like saying a cat is a lion, because their are in the same family, but they are not “exactly” the same . Same with the words bad as apposed to evil. The are of the same “family” but are different expressions of the same things.
See that’s what your yes/ no question demands do , they don’t allow for any variant in an answer, so your answer could be yes, why? Because bad tends toward evil, is it the “exact” same word?, No. There are many words that describe bad, evil is just one of them. if you want I can list them fore you, but any dictionary will do the same thing for you, just check it out. There called synonyms, that means they are alike but not the ‘“exact” same. Hope that helps you out.
Language is like a painting, there are shades of colours, words give shades of colour to our language. It not all just black and white, which seems that’s all some can see everything as. Like watching something in two dimension so they miss the full depth that three dimension has. So are they without the Spirit.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Proclaimer, and all.. …..OK let’s deal with the millennial regin of Jesus and the Saint’s, you say it’s for “freewill” teaching , I say it’s just the oppisit, It shows that freewill does not work. It destory’s “freewill” idology completely, in fact that is exactly the purpose of the millennial reign., it is to destory any idea of , from self, there exists a “freewill” salvation.
Points
1…..If our salvation was by our freewill choices, what good would it do for God to remove evil from the earth, for a thousand years, seening we could already choose for ourselves how to perform rightiousely, on our own, by our so-called “freewill” choices as you teach. So the whole idea of a millennial kingdom rule would be pointless.
2….. I hope you do agree God indeed has a purpose for the millennial reign, right? , I mean God is not just haphazardly throwing it in for no reason, right? So let’s explore some options we have then.
3……My reasoning is this, freewill idology presents a challenge to God the Fathers SUPREME AUTHORITY in our lives. Freewill says this, I can for and by myself chose what is always right or wrong for me, I do not want nor need anyone directing or guiding the thoughts of my mind, or I would be a robot. So I would rather exist like a traveler in life without a compass to guide me. It says, I can find my own way, and not get lost, and if I do get lost I will correct “myself”, in effect freewill says, I am a God unto myself, I don’t need any help from outside myself.
So God knowing that’s the way man likes to think , developed a plan, “ok” he says, “let’s try it” your way, so he gets rid of all evil, on the earth, he puts it away from influencing any of us on this whole earth, not only that but he gives us rightious teachers who teach us what is good, and the right way to live for a thousand years, until all those on earth know how to live rightiousely in every way in their lives.
Remember they are being taught and being influenced only to do what is Good, and to not do evil, but their teachers, they do not have the Spirit of God influencing them, as Jesus and the Saint’s do, they are “experiencing only what is good”, remember evil was removed from them, so they did not have to experience it’s Spiritual effect on themselves either, A perfect world without sin nor the presence of evil. Everyone doing what is right and good, a utopian kingdom ruled by The king Jesus and the Saint’s, the kingdom we all want and hope to be in, and may God make it so.
But you see the real test was not present yet for that generation, it was yet to come, so after a thousand years of all this perfect teaching and living, apart from God the Father himself being involved with them, there teachers being to tell them they must be saved, inorder to always do what is right always, they began to argue with their Rulers and say we can of our ownselves by our own “freewill’s” choices “always” do what is right and good , they by this ware out the Sain’t of the most high, why?, because , think about it, how can you tell people they must be saved when they already are doing what is right and good? You can’t! ,
The whole world has become “self rightious” , they have been taught and live what good is, by there leaders, they really are living right lives, and they maintain they can do it themselves forever , by their our “freewill” choices.
So at the end of the thousand years God releases “evil influences” back on the earth, and almost immediately the whole earth starts to corrupts itself, and after 3 1/2 years turns against Jesus and the Saint’s, and when they retreat to Jerusalem, and the Armies of the earth influenced by the evil spirits released , come against them there , and God sends Fire down from heaven and devours them.
So what the point of all this, “simple” a simple point but a very important one.
This is the “POINT” , unless you have the guiding Spirit of the living God abiding “in” you always guiding your thought of your mind “FOREVER” you can not by yourself ever maintain to do what is right. YOU WILL ALWAYS “ULTIMATELY FAIL” ,
THAT IS THE LESSON ALL HUMANITY MUST COME TO UNDERSTAND, so that is why , the fall of man from the garden of Eden, to the end of the millennial reign of Jesus and the Saint’s was and is “all” about. A VERY SIMPLE LESSON, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT LESSON OF ALL LESSONS. IMO.
So can you see brothers pushing “free” Will, is the same as saying, I don’t need God in my life?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Proclaimer, and all.. …..OK let’s deal with the millennial regin of Jesus and the Saint’s, you say it’s for “freewill” teaching , I say it’s just the oppisit, It shows that freewill does not work. It destory’s “freewill” idology completely, in fact that is exactly the purpose of the millennial reign., it is to destory any idea of , from self, there exists a “freewill” salvation.
There is something blocking your mind. That is not what I said or meant. Perhaps like Jesus own words, if a man cannot understand then he doesn’t deserve to know till he seeks the meaning. So I’m not so sure I should tell you what I was saying. I thought it was clear.
Seriously, you seem to suffer from the opposite spirit. Whatever the truth, you conclude the opposite. You do this time and time again.
For this reason, no one takes you seriously.
See that’s what your yes/ no question demands do , they don’t allow for any variant in an answer,
Bollocks. You simply say yes or no and then give the explanation as to why your answer was yes or no.
It’s not hard and it is what honest people do.
I personally do not trust people who are unable to let their yes be yes and no be no.
Lucifer didn’t have anyone tempting him, as far as I know from the Bible.
Maybe Satan was such an exhalted being once that he had the ability like God to go his own way with only love for God keeping him with God.
Whereas all other beings except Jesus need a tempter. Jesus is higher than all except God and it appears he too could have gone his own way. But he learned obedience when he emptied himself and came in the flesh and remained faithful till death.
Pure speculation of course accompanied by what scripture actually says.
From the book: the great conflict (the origin of Evil)
“Before the entrance of evil there was peace and joy throughout the universe. All was in perfect harmony with the Creator’s will. Love for God was supreme, love for one another impartial. Christ the Word, the Only Begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,–one in nature, in character, and in purpose,–the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. By Christ the Father wrought in the creation of all heavenly beings. “By Him were all things created, that are in heaven, . . . whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers” (Colossians 1:16); and to Christ, equally with the Father, all heaven gave allegiance.
The law of love being the foundation of the government of God, the happiness of all created beings depended upon their perfect accord with its great principles of righteousness. God desires from all His creatures the service of love–homage that springs from an intelligent appreciation of His character. He takes no pleasure in a forced allegiance, and to all He grants freedom of will, that they may render Him voluntary service.
But there was one that chose to pervert this freedom. Sin originated with him who, next to Christ, had been most honored of God and who stood highest in power and glory among the inhabitants of heaven. Before his fall, Lucifer was (p.494) first of the covering cherubs, holy and undefiled. “Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering…. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” Ezekiel 28:12-15.
Lucifer might have remained in favor with God, beloved and honored by all the angelic host, exercising his noble powers to bless others and to glorify his Maker. But, says the prophet, “Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness.” Verse 17. Little by little, Lucifer came to indulge a desire for self-exaltation. “Thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God.” “Thou hast said,… I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation….I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High.” Verse 6; Isaiah 14:13, 14. Instead of seeking to make God supreme in the affections and allegiance of His creatures, it was Lucifer’s endeavor to win their service and homage to himself. And coveting the honor which the infinite Father had bestowed upon His Son, this prince of angels aspired to power which it was the prerogative of Christ alone to wield.”
Hi Gene,
Please just answer my question…
Are you claiming “Bad” is ‘evil’ as well?
“Yes” or “No” ?
Edj…..No, bad is a lesser “term” for evil, but it still tends toward evil. I am not saying bad is equal to evil, that like saying a cat is a lion, because their are in the same family, but they are not “exactly” the same . Same with the words bad as apposed to evil. The are of the same “family” but are different expressions of the same things.
See that’s what your yes/ no question demands do , they don’t allow for any variant in an answer, so your answer could be yes, why? Because bad tends toward evil, is it the “exact” same word?, No. There are many words that describe bad, evil is just one of them. if you want I can list them fore you, but any dictionary will do the same thing for you, just check it out. There called synonyms, that means they are alike but not the ‘“exact” same. Hope that helps you out.
Language is like a painting, there are shades of colours, words give shades of colour to our language. It not all just black and white, which seems that’s all some can see everything as. Like watching something in two dimension so they miss the full depth that three dimension has. So are they without the Spirit.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
See Gene,
it isn’t really that hard to give an honest answer to a simple question.…or at least ii shouldn’t be…
____________
God bless
Ed JWow did Gene actually answer a question. Maybe 2021 will be a good year. Lol. You can’t tell me that miracles have ceased.
Proclaimer. …..not according to EDJ. , BUT you ,” can” understand that I “did” answer him, but you can’t see I did also answer your, “freewill” idology also.. showing you from scriptures “freewill” “THINKING” , is EXACTLY WHY , there was a fall of mankind at the garden of Eden, “AND” the reason for the Millennium regin of Jesus and the Saint’s. It was to prove preaching and trying to maintain a “WILL” that was “Free” from any influences from outside itself is against the “WILL” of GOD, not that there exists any such thing as a WILL that is “free” , but there are people like you who preach it, but what they really mean like nearly all mankind, they want to do things “their” Way? , but you see “their” way , is a way of their “own” captivated Wills ,which leads to death in the end.
Saying there exists such a thing as a “will” that is “free” is a “lie” in the first place, it is an OXYMORON, BECAUSE NO SUCH THING EXISTS, IT IS WHAT Sinners desire though, they want to be “free” of any “influences” except their own. That what this whole present creation is all about, it about who is in control of our lives is it “us” or our “creator”.
The millennial reign of Jesus and the Saint’s, is specifically for that very purpose. It proves the point , that without the guiding Spirit of God abiding in you forever you simply cannot “maintain” the right way to live, no matter how much right teaching you have been given. THE Spirit of God is apsolutely nessarly to maintain eternal life. No one outside of that Spirit can, now or ever , and that includes Jesus Himself also. God must take his place “IN ALL AND WORK THROUGH “ALL” , inorder to maintain life eternal.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Lol. So now you’re a hero for answering Gene.
One thing is certain. Gene using his free will to argue that free will doesn’t exist.
Hi Gene,
YOU: That what this whole present creation is all about, it about who is in control of our lives
is it “us” or our “creator”.
ME: BOTH Gene,
WITHOUT CREATURES GOD
WON’T LIVE!
HE WOULD EXIST ALRIGHT AS HE EXISTED ETERNALLY BUT
HE WON’T LIVE!!!
AS SINCE GOD IS A SPIRIT HE REQUIRES
A BODY!
BE AWARE Gene,
EVERY CREATURE GOD CREATES EVEN THIS CORONA WE HAVE,
IS A NEW LIFE BOTH FOR GOD AND THE CREATURE,
A NEW KIND OF LIVING.
Genesis 2:18 And the Lord God said:
It is not good for man to be alone:……
Gene WHAT THE ABOVE BIT OF SCRIPTURE TELLS YOU???
CONSIDERING THAT
MAN WAS CREATED IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD???
CAN YOU SEE IT Gene???
BY THE WAY,
NOT WITH YOUR CARNAL EYES
AND IN PLAIN CLEAR SIMPLE ENGLISH, OK???
HOW ABOUT THIS SCRIPTURE HEREUNDER!
IS JESUS TALKING NONSENSE???
John 8:36 If therefore the son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene,
YOU: 1…..If our salvation was by our freewill choices, …..
ME: YES Gene, SALVATION CAME ON EARTH BY JESUS ON THE CROSS SIMPLY BY
DOING LUCIFER’S FREE WILL!WHICH ARE
LIES, SIN and DEATH!
LUCIFER’S DELUSION WAS THAT ONCE HE OWNS THE EMPIRE OF SIN and DEATH,
HE WOULD BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH, THUS GOD IN JESUS, THOUGH DIVINE,
ETERNAL LIFE, TRUTH, AND SINLESS,
BECAME A CRIMINAL, A SINNER and
TASTED DEATH
AND THROUGH DEATH JESUS GAVE FREEDOM TO ALL THOSE WHO
BY THEIR OWN FREE WILL ACCEPTED JESUS’ GOSPEL IN HELL! ALSO
JESUS BECAME THE PROPRIETOR OF THIS WORLD, SATAN’S ON ADAM’S SIN, APART OF THE UNIVERSE!
JESUS OWNED THE FLESH BODY OF HUMANS, SATAN’S ON EVE’S SIN!
JESUS OWNS THE KEYS OF DEATH and HELL!
THE REST, LIKE SATAN/LUCIFER AND HIS ASSOCIATES
REJECTED JESUS’GOSPEL AND REMAINED IN HELL BY THEIR OWN
FREE WILL!!!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
“FreeWill” does not mean a “Will” that is outside of all influences
Where do you come up with such Garbage?
Nobody here is saying there are no influences. The garbage is all yours Gene. Back to the drawing board.
Saying there exists such a thing as a “will” that is “free” is a “lie” in the first place, it is an OXYMORON, BECAUSE NO SUCH THING EXISTS, IT IS WHAT Sinners desire though, they want to be “free” of any “influences” except their own. That what this whole present creation is all about, it about who is in control of our lives is it “us” or our “creator”.
Hi Gene,
There is no such thing as: ‘a lie of omission’ as a lie is
something that you tell, not something that you don’t tellBut “FreeWill” most assuredly does exist…
And it is God who has endowed us all with “FreeWill”
You saying otherwise is keeping your “FreeWill” captivated____________
God bless
Ed J
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