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OK Edj…….just use the word “evil”, don’t want to make this into a argument about what is bad and good. Point is “oppisits explain eachother.”, is that simple enough for you to understand?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
“But sufficient to say is GOD “created both good and evil, And trust me it definitely was for a reason, and that reason is because “GOOD “EXPLAINS” what evil is, and EVIL “EXPLAINS” what good is. I KNOW THAT MAY BE HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND, but that’s not my fault is it?”
Gene, …repent of telling such lies
Genesis 1
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Its real simple Gene.
For true love to exist, you need the ability to reject it. It’s called free will. If love both given and received was not chosen, then it wouldn’t he love. It would be something akin to magnetism.
This evil is choosing to reject God who is love. So God is light, that leaves the lack of light called darkness. God is life the lack of that is death. God is righteous, the lack of that is wickedness.
Evil exists because love exists which is enabled by free will.
Hi Gene,
Are you claiming “Bad” is ‘evil’ as well?
Is that a “Yes” or a “No” Gene?
Why is it so hard for you to answer questions?
Maybe you really don’t have a “FreeWill” ???Or maybe he isn’t that honest.
Gene. See if you can answer this in your own mind. I’m not even asking for the answer publicly because I know you will brush this off.
Let your yes be yes and no be no. Anything else is from the …….?
Edj…..quite trying to draw me into conflict, I know what you are doing , if I say yes bad is evil, you will say , good brings bad things into people lives to correct them. My statement was that, oppisits explanation each other. Any person with anykind of sense of truth in them should know that.
God gave his his comandments, not as a so-call “freewill” option , but as a commandment, to all you either do them or die. GOD ALREADY KNEW WHAT EVERY HUMAN BEING ON THIS EARTH, WOULD CHOSE , from the very day he created them. GOD the Father is not trying to show the world how man could chose what’s right , by his own choices, Carnel minds would like to believe they can, but the facts are there is “none” rightious no not even one” . God the Father looked and could not find “ANY” , therefore he took it upon his own arm to bring salvation.
Why? Because no “so-called” freewill, could “himself” chose rightiousness. “you “MUST ” be born again, from above. TRUE RIGHTIOUSNESS IS A “CREATION” of GOD. It is the love of God , THAT HE SHEDS AROUND IN OUR HEARTS, that “CAUSES” us to become like him.
You people try to “rob” God and pay yourselves, by thinking you of your own selves can “freewill” your own selves in to salvation. Good luck with that your certainly going to need it.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
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Proclainer. ……life itself consist of , good and evil, because good explains what evil is, and evil explains what good is? Even love and hate Are oppisits and they explain eachother also, infact you will always hold on to what you love and reject what you hate, that is an apsolute in life. God did not ask us to chose good, or evil, because that has always existed, he commanded us to chose good, and even went further and explained what good and evil were.
Proclaimer option is you either obey, or die, that’s not a freewill choice it is the truth , a truth that always existed . But freewillers don’t fear God, they think they are able by themselves to chose to do good and demand it that way, after all, they don’t want to be called a robot. So they will decide for “themselves” what is good for themselves or what is evil.
So show us, who of “themselves” and by themselves chose to always choose what is good? Do you know any?, I don’t, but perhaps you do, not even Jesus let them call him good, but said, “why callest thou me good, there is “only” one that is good, and that is GOD. BUT YOU CHOSE TO DISAGREE with JESUS. My how bold you people are to think you of your own “free” “Will” choices, choose your own salvation. Now that’s something to really boast about or laugh at.
Even Jesus said you “can’t”, even come to him, “unless” the Father “draw” you to him. So where does that leave your so-called “freewill” salvation at. Lol.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene
You
God did not ask us to choose good or bad, because it has always existed, he ordered us to choose good, and even went further and explained what was good and bad.
Me
No, there was a time when peace reigned in the universe and there was no evil. It was Lucifer who started to doubt the validity of God’s law, and he went to war with God. The earth is the only planet where the devil has succeeded in ruling over men, but God through Jesus Christ his OWN SON came from heaven to free us from the power of sin and the devil. This is achieved through faith in the righteousness of Christ (birth, life, death, resurrection and intercession of Christ)
PLEASE Read THIS link
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Great_Controversy_(White)/The_Origin_of_Evil
Berean…..Sorry I could not continue to read it all, that person spends all her time going around in circles saying everything, understanding nothing, trying to explain what she doesn’t have a clue what it is?
No help there brother.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Berean……Stop and please think , what did God have to prove, by placing the “tree of the “knowledge” of Good and evil” in the garden in the first place? Why did he tempt us through Satan to eat (take to ourselves) that knowledge, if he did not want us to? Why put it there, in the first place?, And give us a nature to desire it?
Can you just answer those questions truthfully ?
I can give you my answer , God wanted mankind to EAT, (to take to himself to get that knowledge of what is good and what is evil) so he could come to (hate the evil and love the good) . THROUGH “EXPERIENCING” IT!. FOR HIMSELF, AND THEREBY BE MORE LIKE GOD THE FATHER IS.
After all we are made in his ‘Image” Right?, “in the “image” of God created he them, male and female created he them”.
“LOOK man has become LIKE US, to KNOW, good and evil! There’s your answer Berean.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
At this precise moment, evil existed, Satan came to earth and succeeded in bringing down our first parents … the tree was a test of fidelity to God for Adam and Eve.
But Berean, scripture shows, God was the one who placed him in the Garden , please show a single scripture that proves Satan did that himself. Your listening to, to many people, pray to God the Father he will show you brother.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
That I wrote
At this precise moment, evil existed, Satan came to earth and succeeded in bringing down our first parents … the tree was a test of fidelity to God for Adam and Eve.
Gene, if you believed in free will you wouldn’t come across with a confused doctrine on this matter.
Love can only exist where there is free will.
If there is no choice, there is no love.
What is there to choose besides God if he is all good?
The lack of him. That includes darkness, hatred, selfishness, evil, and confusion.
Choose God and you have light, love, generosity, good, and clarity.
The tree allowed man to choose against God and that they did.
Love always comes with risk but it is worth it.
Pass the test and you become the elect.
Eternal life and no more sin.
Choose wisely.
That is true.
It might be like the Millennium where peace reigns. When Satan is released from the pit to tempt mankind once again to garner an army of followers who attack the holy city.
Is a tempter required?
He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Hi Gene,
Gene, FIRST, AND FOREMOST:
YOU SIMPLY SEE THINGS ONLY FROM
ONE EYE!
Matthew 18:9 And if thy eye scandalize thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee.
It is better for thee having one eye to enter into life,
than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
IN THE ABOVE JESUS SIMPLY MADE IT CLEAR THAT WHILE LIVING ON EARTH IN
THE TEMPORARY PHYSICAL PROCESS,
WE ARE MORE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE USE OF ALL OUR CARNAL MORTAL ELEMENTS,
ALIVE ON EVE’S SIN,
THE MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING IN THE FLESH, WHICH ARE EARTHLY/SATAN’S,
DESTROY THEM COMPLETELY
FIRST AND FOREMOST,
MENTALLY
THROUGH THINKING AND REASONING, SIMPLY WITH THE HOPE TO
BE BORN IN THE SPIRIT, LIVE IN
THE ETERNAL SPIRITUAL PROCESS, IN
CHRIST JESUS
AND MATURE PRECISELY
OUR SPIRITUAL ELEMENTS
DEAD ON ADAM SIN
THUS I HAVE TO KEEP ON SAYING, WITH THE HOPE TO
AWAKEN AND ENLIGHTEN YOUR
CARNAL MINDED REASONING!
SIMPLY, AS YOU ARE NOT I’M AFRAID, IN THE POSITION TO PERCEIVE PRECISELY
TRUTHFULLY!
YOU: Berean……Stop and please think ,
what did God have to prove,
ME: FIRST, THAT IS PRIDE FROM YOUR PART Gene,
GOD HAS TO PROVE NOTHING TO US,
SINCE WE ARE CARNAL MORTAL BEINGS!
DUST!!! SATANIC THROUGH SIN!!!!
ESPECIALLY AT THAT STAGE IN THE GARDEN!
THEY SIMPLY HAD TO OBEY!!!
LIKEWISE, WE SIMPLY and HUMBLY HAVE TO BE
OBEDIENT TO OUR CHURCH,
SOMETHING WHICH OUR PARENTS
IGNORED ENTIRELY, REFUSED TO BE
SUBJECTS TO GOD’S WILL AND ETERNAL LIFE PROCESS, AND OPTED TO BE
SUBJECTS TO SATAN’S WILL AND MORTAL ETERNAL CONDEMNATION PROCESS! OF WHIVH EVE WAS
THE MAIN CULPRIT!!!
MOTHER EARTH!
FROM WHOM ADAM THE LIVING SOUL
THE FATHER SPIRIT,
INHERITED HER MORTAL FLESH!!!
THUS ALL GOD’S WORK AND DEEDS ARE JUST AND PERFECT!
YOU: by placing the “tree of the “knowledge” of Good and evil” in the garden in the first place?
Gene, HOW ON EARTH OUR FIRST PARENTS HAD TO
JUSTIFY THEIR TRUE LOYALTY TO GOD???
SPIRIT!
UNLESS THEY SIMPLY OBEY HIM
IN THEIR OWN FREE WILL
TRUTHFULLY,
HE COULD HAVE CREATED THEM PERFECT LIKE HIM, BUT IF HE DID SO,
THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN TOTALLY
TIED
TO GOD’S OWN
SPIRITUAL WILL
BY FORCE,
NOT IN THEIR OWN FREE WILL! NO???
GOD’S LOVE forbids HIM to tamper with THEIR ETERNAL free volition.
THEY must and shall keep THEIR free volition which AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME WAS HOLY, as it stemmed from God, and must freely make up their mind, either for GOD’S HEAVEN or for SATAN’S hell. PRECISELY BY ESTABLISHING A TASK, AND BY WHICH TASK THEY THEMSELVES DECIDE WHICH DIRECTION HAD TO GO.
THUS HE CREATED THEM PRECISELY ONLY
VERY GOOD,
ON THE WAY TO PERFECTION
IN RELATION TO HIS PERFECT PLAN!!! HOW???
BUT THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER TOPIC TO DISCUSS NOT JUST NOW!
YOU: Why did he tempt us through Satan to eat (take to ourselves) that knowledge,
ME: SATAN/LUCIFER Gene, REBELLED IN ORDER TO BE
EQUAL AND LIKE THE MOST HIGH ON THIS PLANET,
PRECISELY HIS PLANET IN THE FIRST PLACE, OF WHICH, IN GOD’S HARMONY HE CREATED PERFECTLY DURING THE PROBATION PERIOD!!!
HE EVEN INFLUENCED HIS PERSONAL SPIRITS’ANGELS TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY, CREATED BY HIM AGAIN IN GOD’S HARMONY, ACCEPTED HIM AS THE ONLY VISIBLE GOD, AND SUBJECTS TO HIM, THUS JOINED HIM! CONSEQUENTLY GOD AS A JUST GOD, FOR THE SAKE OF TRUTH, AND ETERNAL LIFE REGARDING THE FLESH.
HE RECREATED THIS WORLD, AGAIN GOD ALL KNOWING, BETWEEN THE GOOD,
THE GENERATIONS OF HEAVEN, THE LOYAL SPIRITS/ANGELS Hebrews 1:7,14.IN THE HOLY GHOST, ATTRIBUTED TO THE SON OF GOD, FROM THE SOUL PERSPECTIVE! AND THE EVIL, THE GENERATIONS OF EARTH, THE REBELLIOUS SPIRITS/ANGELS, IN “THE WORD” ATTRIBUTED TO THE SON OF MAN, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB….Rev.13:8
FROM THE CARNAL PERSPECTIVE, LUCIFER’S TWO-THIRDS SPIRITS, THE LOST SHEEP, THE FACT THAT HUMANS ARE DUAL, SOUL AND FLESH, BY WHICH PROCESS SATAN/LUCIFER HAD EVERY RIGHT TO TEST THE FIRST COUPLE AND JUSTIFY HIMSELF REGARDING HIS OWN SPIRITS ORIGINALLY SUBJECT TO HIM.FROM HIS CORRUPTED CARNAL PERSPECTIVE!
GOD AS A JUST GOD WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO SIMPLY OWN THOSE SPIRITS BY FORCE, BUT ONLY IF THEY REJECT THEIR OWN ORIGINAL SPIRIT LUCIFER/SATAN,
DIRECTLY THROUGH HIS OWN INFLUENCE,
IN THE SAME WAY, THEY REJECTED GOD WHEN THEY REBELLED.
IN OUR HUMAN CARNAL CASE, THE GENERATIONS OF EARTH, PRECISELY IN
EVE, BY WHICH TASK SATAN POSSESSED EVE,
THE WOMAN, IMMEDIATELY WITHIN HER HEART!
BY WHICH HEART OF STONE,
SATAN BECAME THE MOTHER OF
ALL THE DEAD IN THE SPIRIT, UP TO THIS MOMENT IN TIME EVE DIDN’T HAVE
THE HOLY GHOST, LIKE ADAM RECEIVED FROM GOD,
SINCE SHE WAS TO BE
TEMPTED, AND GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED, INSTEAD,
SHE RECEIVED SATAN MANIFESTED IN THE BLOOD!
THEN SATAN, HIMSELF AGAIN THROUGH EVE’S VOICE INFLUENCED
ADAM’S SOUL!
THE QUESTION IS!!!
HOW DID EVE INFLUENCE ADAM???
YOU: if he did not want us to?
HE SIMPLY AS A JUST GOD,
WANTED US TO BE COMPLETELY ON OUR OWN, AWAY FROM GOD’S
SPIRITUAL INFLUENCE!!!
FROM OUR SIDE!!! BUT INFLUENCED BY GOD’S ENEMY, THEIR ORIGINAL SPIRIT LUCIFER,
THE SNAKE, SATAN AND
HIS CORRUPTED CARNAL INFLUENCE!
ANSWER Gene DID YOU EVER REFLECTED ON
EVE’S ENCOUNTER WITH THE SNAKE???
IN ORDER TO
TRUTHFULLY
PERCEIVE WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED IN RELATION TO
THE CARNAL INFLUENCE???
OCCURRED BOTH TO HER, AND TO ADAM, BY SATAN???
THEY HAD TO DECIDE Gene, THEMSELVES WHAT KIND OF
FLESH BODY
JERUSALEM
MUST POSSESS EITHER
SOFT AND SPIRITUAL OR HARD AND CARNAL
NOW FROM GOD’S SIDE,
ALL KNOWING
HE NEVER ABANDONED HIS HUMAN CREATURES BUT REMAINED ONE SUBSTANCE
PRECISELY IN EVE’S
HEARTS OF STONE, FACE TO FACE WITH SATAN, IN
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN,
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF OUR WORLD Rev.13:8
LIKE A TREASURE HIDDEN IN A FIELD…..
THE LIFE OF ALL PHYSICAL,
ETERNAL LIFE,
OBVIOUS ONCE WE BECAME ALSO MORTAL IN THE SPIRIT!
WHEN ADAM REJECTED THE HOLY GHOST IN HIS SOUL!
AND WE NEEDED THE MESSIAH WHO
OFFICIALLY!!!
BAPTIZED ALL HUMANITY AT THE RIVER JORDAN
IN HIMSELF
JESUS CHRIST
THE SON OF GOD/SON OF MAN
BY WHICH ACT HE ESTABLISHED
MANY BRETHREN !!!
WITH THE HOLY GHOST IN OUR SOULS!!!
THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM
NOT IN GOD ONLY
Gene, NOW Only by exerting OUR free will, WITHOUT ANY DIRECT INFLUENCE FROM GOD, can WE reach
GOD’S HEAVENS,
not otherwise.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE WHO ARE OF THE GENERATIONS OF HEAVEN, WHO ARE ANGELS’SPIRITS, HEBREWS 1:7,14, IN HEAVEN AND CAME ON EARTH LIKE HUMANS TO IMITATE
JESUS, HELP IN THE PROCESS OF REDEMPTION/SALVATION, AND ACQUIRE A
HIGHER STATE AS THAT OF JESUS!
SONS OF GOD
TRUTHFULLY IN SPIRITUAL FLESH!!!
THE SAINTS!!!
ANSWER PLEASE: ARE YOU INFLUENCED DIRECTLY FROM GOD Gene,
IF SO YOU ARE A
SAINT
OR MORE LIKELY, INFLUENCED BY SATAN,
IN YOUR OWN CARNAL FREE WILL???
YOU: Why put it there, in the first place?,
ME: WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THEIR JUSTIFICATION Gene???
THAT THEY ARE
TRUTHFULLY
LOYAL TO GOD???
HOW COULD BE DETERMINED THE STATE OF THEIR LOVE TO GOD!
HOW WOULD A PERSON DETERMINE
HOW MUCH HE LOVES HIS PARTNER
UNLESS HE IS FACED IN HIS OFFICE WITH OTHERS EVEN MORE ATTRACTIVE!
YOU: And give us a nature to desire it?
ME: READ AGAIN THE ABOVE AND REFLECT WHY GOD GAVE US/
ME: TO EVE BY THE WAY
WHAT YOU CALL
DESIRE!!!
Can you just answer those questions truthfully ?
THEY ARE ALL ANSWERED MORE THEN
TRUTHFULLY
MAYBE NOT FOR YOU
WHAT FALT HAVE I Gene???
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
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