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David, you are right , because there exists no such thing as a will that is free “itself”, God has given us freedom to express our “captivated” wills, will’s that are held captive by our thoughts which causes us to will , rather good or evil, everything is the result of “cause and effect”.
Yet God holds us responsible for decisions you say we have no choice about. You seem a bit mad Gene.
According to you, you could deny God and lose your salvation through no fault of your own. That is the opposite of good news.
Your gospel is bleak.
Did you not know that the truth sets you free?
Maybe you do not believe in this freedom because you reject truth?
FREEWILLERS , do not believe that scripture! Because they want all the Glory of a “self” salvation, which comes from their oun “will”s.
Gene,
“Glory of a “self” salvation”
Where do you come up with this nonsense?
God has given us freedom to express our “captivated” wills, will’s that are held captive by our thoughts which causes us to will ,
rather good or evil,
That is exactly how we are changed by God, just as it says, ” for he “works” in us “BOTH” TO WILL and do of “HIS” GOOD PLEASURE.”
Philippians 2:13
For it is God who worketh in you,
both
TO WILL (whoes will???)
and to accomplish,
according to his
GOODWILL.
FLASH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO GOD’S OWN WILL, IT IS HIS SPIRIT WHICH GIVES LIFE/FUNCTIONING TO ALL OF HIS GOOD WORK!!!
Gene GOD GAVE HIS SON AS A RANSOM
IN EXCHANGE
FOR THE HUMAN RACE TOTALLY SATANIC
ON ADAM’S SIN!
BY WHICH SIN HUMANS WERE TOTALLY REJECTED BY GOD, AND BECAME TOTALLY THE PROPERTY OF GOD’S ENEMY.
WITH ONE EXCEPTION.
SIMPLY AS SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD; Rev.13:8
ETERNAL LIFE,
WAS “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN,
SIMPLY AS SINCE HUMANS ARE RELATED TOTALLY TO THE CARNAL MORTAL SYSTEM OF THE WORLD, AND THE WORLD IS THE PROPERTY OF SATAN, ON ADAM’S SIN,
TILL THE END OF TIMES!
NOT OF GOD,
NO MATTER WHICH ROAD HUMANS TAKE,
ONE YEAR IS LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS AND VICE VERSA FOR GOD. HENCE, IT ALL DEPEND ON US
WHEN AND HOW EITHER IN TOTAL SUBMISSION TO GOD IN CHRIST ON THIS CARNAL PLANET, OR
IN TOTAL SUBMISSION TO GOD IN CHRIST IN THE MYSTERIOUS SPIRITUAL WORLD AND BEYOND!
AT THE VERY END GOD EVENTUALLY STILL GET BACK ONTO HIMSELF
ALL THE LOST. EITHER IN THIS TERM OF FAITH IN JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, OR
IN THE NEXT TERM WHEN FAITH IN JESUS, WOULD HAVE DONE ITS TERM, OVER AND DONE WITH! ONLY IN THE BELIEF OF GOD WOULD COUNT WHICH WOULD BE MANIFESTED IN
THE SKY TILL THE END OF TIMES.
GOD ALREADY ACHIEVED HIS KINGDOM IN
JESUS CHRIST!
GODMAN ON EARTH!
THERE’S NO NEED FOR GOD TO WORK IN US
ACCORDING TO HIS WILL.
EVEN IN OUR OWN FREE WILL, HE WOULD ACHIEVE,
WHAT HE ALREADY ACHIEVED IN
CHRIST JESUS!
TO BE CLEAR, JESUS,
OUR REDEEMER IN THE TRUTH SET US FREE FROM ALL KINDS OF
CARNAL CAPTIVITIES RELATED TO THE OLD COVENANT OF MOSES!
SCRIPTURES :
Hebrews 8:7 For if that former had been faultless,
there should not indeed a place have been sought for a second.
8For finding fault with them, he saith: Behold, the days shall come, saith the Lord: and I will perfect unto the house of Israel, (SPIRIT) and unto the house of Juda,(FLESH) a new testament:
9Not according to the testament which I made to their fathers, on the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt: because they continued not in my testament: and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10For this is the testament which I will make to the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord:
I will give my laws into their
MIND (SPIRIT), and in their
HEART (SOUL) will I write them:
and I will be their God, and they shall be my people:
11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour and every man his brother, saying,
Know the Lord:
for all shall know me from the least to the greatest of them:
12Because I will be merciful to their iniquities, and
their sins I will remember no more.
13Now in saying a new, he hath made the former old.
And that which decayeth and groweth old,
is near its end.
IN WHICH YOU I’M AFRAID ARE STILL
SUNKEN!
John 8: If therefore the son shall make you free,
you shall be free
INDEED.
GOD CREATED THE WORLD TO BE INHABITED AND HE GAVE
TOTAL FREE WILL TO ALL ON JESUS DEATH!
THE FACT THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON AS A RANSOM ETERNAL LIFE, AT ALL COSTS, IN
EXCHANGE FOR
THE HUMAN RACE
SIMPLY, SO THE HUMAN RACE DO ALL WHATEVER FEEL DOING IN
THEIR OWN FREE WILL,
AS GOD DOESN’T LOOK AT HUMANS FROM THE
CARNAL STATE OF THE WORLD BUT FROM
THE CARNAL STATE OF HIS
SON, JESUS, THE SON/DIVINE OF MAN,
BY WHICH DEED
GOD DOESN’T EVEN REMEMBER
THEIR SINS ANYMORE!
JESUS’ BLOOD IS NOT SHED FOR NOTHING!
FORGIVE THEM, FATHER,
AS THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO!!!
SIN AGAINST THE SON OF MAN;
SIN IN THE FLESH IS ETERNALLY FORGIVEN, ON THE CROSS!
THUS, GOD DOESN’T BOTHER AT ALL, JESUS’ FLESH WAS SACRIFICED! BUT
SIN AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST IS NEVER FORGIVEN, HENCE
SIN IN THE SPIRIT, INTENTIONALLY, IS NEVER
FORGIVEN AS IT COMES FROM THE HEART/MIND/SOUL,
Hebrews 8:10 above, GOD’S ABODE IN
JESUS CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD, SPIRIT
OUR/HUMAN LORD GOD
IN THE FATHER, THE SON, and THE HOLY GHOST RECEIVED ON BAPTISM!
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
Carmel……”man”, are you screwed up, by all the years of false indoctrination, I never read so much counterdictions of subject matter in my life as you preach, no one knows what you are saying , pure confusion, and counterdictions of scriptures, jabbering. Perhaps if you just slowed down and engage one then at a time, it really would help, I think.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Proclaimer. ….the truth does set you free, from a “LIE” , that’s, the work of the “Spirit of truth”, which Jesus called the “COMFORTER”, why? BECAUSE, knowing the “TRUTH” is a “Comforter” to the those who have the “SPIRIT” OF TRUTH, in them.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Proclaimer. …..do you even know what a “WILL” is? maybe it your perception of it, that is wrong.
Can you give us an answer to that simple question? Maybe that is why you are not understanding this whole issue of WILL’S.?
Peaceand love to you and yours. …………gene
Proclaimer. …..do you even know what a “WILL” is? maybe it your perception of it, that is wrong.
Gene, maybe your perception of it is wrong.
Will: want
“FreeWill” … “FreeWant”
If you freely want to post and do so, you are expressing your “FreeWill”
Carmel……At least Jodi and I don’t change word meanings, except where STRONG shows them as mistranlated, from the Greek to the English.
While your praying for me, make sure you ask God, to start to reaveal the truth to you OK?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Really Gene???
To you “Freewill” doesn’t mean freewill…
“which are minded of their own freewill” (Ezra 7:13)
Edj…..In scripture the word freewill means a voluntary act. Look it up for yourselves, I am addressing the will “itself” , as I have said before there is no such thing of a will that is “free” , or it simply would not even be a will., “common sense 101”, wills are made up of “prethoughts” , that is what makes them up those prethoughts were installed in your mind from you five senses, way before you even formed the will about anything you say or do, nothing free about it, but you do have freedom to exercise those “captivated” will’s. I will grant you that. But I am not talking about that , I am talking about what causes you to will something. GET IT? I can’t believe you people are so dense you can’t even understand that, even your own posted videos shows you people that. I am not the only telling you theses things it has been proven scintificly many times.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Edj……if freewill could save us or guide us properly, then there would be no need for us to need God’s Spirit to “work” in us “BOTH” to will and do of his (God’s) good pleasure. FREEWILLERS views goes completely against , why because the think that making us out to be robots .
What they don’t understand is “everything” that exists is either good or evil, in fact it existed before we or this whole creation ever existed, there is “nothing” new under the sun, we are told. So what ever a person does falls into one of those catagories, “prexisting” “good or evil “catagories” so right and wrong are not a mater of a person making his “own” decision of what is right or wrong, because that has already been predetermined. It’s a matter of doing it, thos driven by the Spirit of the living God are “caused” to chose right, it is a creative act of the Living God “in” a person. But man hates that because, they want to be their own GOD unto “THEMSELVES, ” the want their rightiousness to come from themselves and deal God out of the picture, as their savior, and their keeper? BUT THE TRUE BELIEVERS LOVE being KEPT BY GOD’S SPIRIT “IN” THEM , they like Jesus say “why callest me good , there is “ONLY” one that is GOO and that IS GOD.” MY own Will choices has caused me to fail over and over, in my life, so I want it to die, as Jesus did his will, and I want GOD’s WILL TO BE DONE IN ME AND THROUGH ME. CALL IT BEING A ROBOT IF YOU LIKE, BUT IT’S FINE WITH ME? I would love to share eternal life with my creator.
Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene
Gene, let’s be clear.
You deny free will.
Instead you promote ‘free captivated will’. Lol.
So you admit it is free will. Because you say will is captivated, but we are also free to express that will.
Still free will then isn’t it?
We may differ on what ‘will’ really means. But you have already come around to our view by admitting that this will is free.
Thank you. This topic has run its course and free will has been established by us and confirmed by you.
Is there anything else you would like to be corrected on today?
I am addressing the will “itself” , as I have said before there is no such thing of a will that is “free”
Hi Gene,
That’s like saying there is no such thing as a want that is free
What they don’t understand is “everything” that exists is either good or evil
Hi Gene,
Where does “Bad” fit into your scheme?
Edj…….You could not know what bads is, without good, no more then you could know what left was without right, or up without down , but I realize you seem not able to understand that. But sufficient to say is GOD “created both good and evil, And trust me it definitely was for a reason, and that reason is because “GOOD “EXPLAINS” what evil is, and EVIL “EXPLAINS” what good is. I KNOW THAT MAY BE HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND, but that’s not my fault is it?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Edj…….You could not know what bads is, without good, no more then you could know what left was without right, or up without down
Hi Gene,
Are you claiming “Bad” is ‘evil’ as well?
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