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Colter.
God and His Word will rule forever and ever.(Jesus was the Word before made flesh).
The thousand years are to teach the jews and gentiles without satan around.
They must go through Christ,and will be taught Christ.
They also will be resurrected into spirit in the second resurrection.
Then the earth and the heavens will be made new.
God and His Word will be with his saints forever.
wakeup.
again you steer the topic away from its subject and toward promotion of your religion.
I have disabled your ability to post.
Feel free to contact a Moderator or myself with a pledge to keep to the topic and we can reinstate your posting rights.T8…………Wrong, i expect the word i have said will convience your mind and the word i have said does not come from a Will that is “FREE” ITSELF, but a Will that is driven by my God given understanding to speak what i believe to be true. I have LIBERTY here to Express that knowledge, that is the nature of your form, it is what you allow, but that has nothing to do with my will, being “FREE” at all. My Will is heavely “INFLUENCED” by my thoughts which are lenked to many things my mind is capable of imagining that make up my DESIRES and those desires are all INFLUNCED ONES. Your Will is not as FREE as yopu assume it is T8. That is why it takes God to take out of you the stoney heart and give you a heart of flesh and him to write his law in you inward part, why because you own so Called Free Will could never do that it self. think about it T8.
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
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SO THE WICKED ARE DRIVEN BY WHAT THEN ? is it also their mind that tell them what they do is definitely right ?
Terricca………..LUST of the eye, Lust of the flesh, amd the PRIDE of life. Just as Hohn said.
peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Gene
you do not even see the flaws in your quote and your mind ,
nothing of what you say make really sense
To all,
This is not the place to discuss the UB. It is a place to discuss and test doctrines. If you desire to test the doctrine or doctrine of the UB then there is forum for that. It is Bible, Texts, & Archaeology and other writings.
Kerwin………..Whats the UB, I have no idea what you are talking about brother.
peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Gene, I am free to choose to write a post in response to your view that I am not free to do so.
And you say we only do things because that is what we are driven to do or whatever.
I do things I do not want to sometimes because I know I should do it. I could easily not do it, but I choose to do it from the choices I have. That being not to do it and do something different.
We can do things even outside of our own desires because we can override our desires and do things that we know are better, but not necessarily what we prefer at the time.
Shall I have some coffee or shal I have orange juice instead?
I have some coffee: one or two sugars? I just have one sugar.
I have made my own choice: Coffee and one sugar.
wakeup.
According to Gene, you were not free to choose coffee or orange juice. In the end you slightly preferred one over the other so it was dictated to you.
However, when you choose heads or tails when flipping a coin. Well how does one explain that you were not free to choose.
Okay, you could say that heads stands out more in the persons mind. Then what about doing it 100 times in a row. Where you choose heads or tails from each flip of the coin. There would really be nothing dictating these choices and the only explanation is we are free to choose.
T8……….I am not saying we don’t have LIBERTY to make choices, I am talking about the desires composing those wills, which makes those choices, They are not FREE at all, but are INFLUENCED.
There is no such thing as a WILL the is FREE or it simply would not even be a WILL, the word “FREEWILL” is a OXYMORON because the word FREE disqulifies what a WILL IS.
peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
Geneb came to answer questions was not by his own free will.
He was made by some other thing to come and answer those questions.
Geneb has no will of his own,he is controled by some other thing.
When he is hungry,he waits for that thing to tell him to have some food.
Geneb is in bondage he is dependant on some thing.
Geneb can not be found guilty of anything,because he was not responsible.
This is what he is trying to say.
Try to explain that to the Lord when when you see him.
wakeup.
Wakeup……. My answer to you is that it has nothing to do with a will that is free but a driven will because that is my desire. I have liberty on this form to express my opinion here. You or no one else has produced a single scripture that say man has a so called Will that is FREE “itSELF”, all of our will are driven by our desires and as the apostle John said, “ALL THAT IS IN THE WORLD, THE LAST OF THE EYES, THE LAST OF THE FLESH, THE PRIDE OF LIFE ARE FROM THE WORLD”, he did not say from our so-called “FREEWILLS”, fact is your will is captivated by your thoughts which you acquired outside from yourself and that is what drives your desires or will.Look because God gave us the liberty of expressing our “CAPTIVATED WILLS” is in no way saying the Will’s themselves are FREE.
The word “FREEWILL” is a OXYMORON. In fact, a WILL would not even be a WILL if it were FREE ITSELF.
Peace and love to you and yours……………gene
Wakeup……….I know that is the will of the flesh, we all have it, but those who have the spirit of God are driven by something else. >”for it is God that works in you “BOTH” to “WILL” and do of “HIS” good pleasure.”
Howevery you want to put it, WILLS are driven by our desires, and all those desires are influenced desires and are not from, a so-called Will, that is free ITSELF. As I have said many times before because God gives us Liberty to express our Captivated Wills, that hardly makes the will , ITSELF “free”. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
Gene, you are playing with words. We are free to choose among the choices whatever they are. Sure I cannot choose to visit Mars right now, but I can choose to follow the Spirit or the flesh. Jesus was free to choose to lay his life down or not. Yet he did God’s will first and not his own which was to remove the cup from him.
You make a big deal out of nothing. Or is it that you choose division over unity. For some reason you seem to want to choose the opposite of things, even those that are plainly stated.
Read the Bible. It is full of examples where men chose God and to do good and where men rejected God and did bad. And if we are not able to freely choose among the options, then how can God hold us responsible for our choices. The lack of a free will and the belief that our wills are not our own but dictated to us leads to doctrines that teach that we cannot be responsible for our choices etc.
Scripture is clear. We choose and what we choose we are responsible for. Why complicate things? Leave the simplicity of Christ as simple. Complicating it doesn’t make good fruit. It simply makes things hard to understand and leads to divisions.
But knowing you and your posts over the years, I know I can expect to see an opposing post made from a so-called captivated will, perhaps absolving you of all responsibility of your own post. Let’s see if I am correct.
Lastly, why try to convince us of your view anyway? We need a free will to be able to choose your view over other views. Your action on convincing us that there is no free will actually requires free will if you are to be successful. And therein lies the irony of the whole thing. You attempt to make us CHOOSE your view that free will doesn’t exist. lol. Enough said.
Gene b.
You are speaking as if your mind is some other; apart from yourself.
The spirit of the flesh is the spirit of the person,not some other thing/person.
God uses some to accomplish His will; that’s different. Not all are used by God.
God knows a person from before birth,and guides some of them,not all. Not the wicked at heart.
We have our own choices to make,and God helps us to make that choice,because the enemy is stronger than man.
Just picture if there are no angels of God policing this world.
Just imagin the chaos; because the enemy is unseen,(invisible) and stronger than man.
wakeup.
Hi Gene,
Here’s a guy that, my guess is, he agrees with you about no “free will”.
He defines the concept so we can discusses this idea in more detail.____________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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