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Simplyforgiven……….You are right, the term “FREEWILL” meaning a Will that is itself “FREE” is an OXYMORON , all WILLS are driven and therefore are the result of Cause and Effect nothing “FREE” about it. Just because God give us the Liberty to Exercise our “Biased” WILLS in not way mean the Wills themselves are “FREE” that work in us. You have it right Simplyforgiven>
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………….gene
Hi Gene and Dennison,
Ezra 7:13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm,
which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.
Should we just go ahead and rip Ezra 7:13 out of our bibles then?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ………..The word used there does not have anything to do with (the will itself being FREE) it is referencing a (voluntary offering of the SELF) and that has nothing to do with the Wills themselves being “FREE” of influences at all. We all agree God give us freedom to express our (captivated) Wills, but as i have said over and over that has nothing to do with the Wills themselves being “FREE” themselves from influences and therefore they are not FREE. The word (FREEWILL) as applying to the Will itself is an OXYMORON IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………….gene
Hi Gene,
No-one here is suggesting that our “Free Will” is free of influences.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgD
Quote also another example, is Pharaoh heart being hardened, by God. this is a bad example God does not tempe no one ,
D
Quote People don't choose to be manipulated, MT 6:24 “ No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.
LK 16:13 “ No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth
SO WHO IS PICKING WHAT
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,18:35) Hi Gene, No-one here is suggesting that our “Free Will” is free of influences.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You know what Ed,Im curious. Who says we have free-will?
Who came up with that concept or in other words, where does this word “free-will” come from?What is free-will?
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,20:32) D Quote also another example, is Pharaoh heart being hardened, by God. this is a bad example God does not tempe no one ,
Exodus 4:21
And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.Exodus 7:3
And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.I never said that God tempted someone.
I see that you haven't change, you still can't read, and still choose to imply things that I haven't said.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,20:36) D Quote People don't choose to be manipulated, MT 6:24 “ No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.
LK 16:13 “ No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth
SO WHO IS PICKING WHAT
What does that have to do with being manipulated?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 23 2012,10:37) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,20:36) D Quote People don't choose to be manipulated, MT 6:24 “ No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.
LK 16:13 “ No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth
SO WHO IS PICKING WHAT
What does that have to do with being manipulated?
Ddo you not understand that you chose witch one you like to support ,???
people all over the world a chosing their political parties,work type,or any affilliation for that matter either by their likes or interest,
after they have shown their support to whoever ,then they now have agreed to be exployed by that choice,very simple in deed,
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 23 2012,10:36) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,20:32) D Quote also another example, is Pharaoh heart being hardened, by God. this is a bad example God does not tempe no one ,
Exodus 4:21
And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.Exodus 7:3
And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.I never said that God tempted someone.
I see that you haven't change, you still can't read, and still choose to imply things that I haven't said.
Dsins you know COULD YOU EXPLAIN HOW GOD DID THAT
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 23 2012,15:32) You know what Ed, What is free-will?
Hi Dennison,Free Will: The faculty to decide as one wishes with determination toward an outcome.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd J……….What you gave is the definition of a WILL, not the definition of a Will that is “FREE” as you suppose. No will is “FREE” in itself. All Wills are influenced Wills and therefore can not be FREE themselves. You confusing the Liberty we have to exercise our “biased” and “Influenced” Wills. The word “FREEWILL” is an OXYMORON It is simple as that ED J. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………………….gene
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 23 2012,17:49) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 23 2012,10:37) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,20:36) D Quote People don't choose to be manipulated, MT 6:24 “ No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.
LK 16:13 “ No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth
SO WHO IS PICKING WHAT
What does that have to do with being manipulated?
Ddo you not understand that you chose witch one you like to support ,???
people all over the world a chosing their political parties,work type,or any affilliation for that matter either by their likes or interest,
after they have shown their support to whoever ,then they now have agreed to be exployed by that choice,very simple in deed,
Choices have nothing to do with the defintion of Freewill.We arn't argueing about whether or not a person can choose, are discussing whether a person's “will” is “free” or not.
Which it isn't.
All our choices are limited, and influenced.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,18:30) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 23 2012,15:32) You know what Ed, What is free-will?
Hi Dennison,Free Will: The faculty to decide as one wishes with determination toward an outcome.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ok so did Jonah have a free-will? when he decided to disobey God? Did God respect that?Can you kill without having consequences?
Like i said, we may attempt to choose to do many things, but it doesn't mean we can, will, or allowed to do so.
Its all determined whether you like it or not.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 23 2012,17:52) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 23 2012,10:36) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,20:32) D Quote also another example, is Pharaoh heart being hardened, by God. this is a bad example God does not tempe no one ,
Exodus 4:21
And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.Exodus 7:3
And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.I never said that God tempted someone.
I see that you haven't change, you still can't read, and still choose to imply things that I haven't said.
Dsins you know COULD YOU EXPLAIN HOW GOD DID THAT
There is nothing I can do for you, if you can't simply read.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 24 2012,06:31) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,18:30) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 23 2012,15:32) You know what Ed, What is free-will?
Hi Dennison,Free Will: The faculty to decide as one wishes with determination toward an outcome.
God bless
Ed J
Ok so (1)did Jonah have a free-will? (2)when he decided to disobey God? (3)Did God respect that?(4)Can you kill without having consequences?
(5)Like i said, we may attempt to choose to do many things, but it doesn't mean we can, will, or allowed to do so.
(6)Its all determined whether you like it or not.
Hi Dennison,1) You bet
2) At all times
3) Does not appertain4) Of course not
5) Opinion
6) What?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgThanks to God, Dennison and Gene have the FREE WILL to decide whether or not they CHOOSE to believe in FREE WILL.
D
Quote Choices have nothing to do with the defintion of Freewill. we do not talk about the phylosophy of free will
we talking of the more simple free will ,like the one when you wake and get up you can choose witch foot you want to put first on the floor ,:D
not the one that end up to eternity
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 24 2012,07:13) Thanks to God, Dennison and Gene have the FREE WILL to decide whether or not they CHOOSE to believe in FREE WILL.
Mike……….I do not have a Will that is “FREE” God allows me “LIBERTY” or “FREEDOM” to express my captivated and influenced will Nothing Free about the working of our wills at all. IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
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