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Scripture says that angels are ministering spirits.
It also says that we will become like the angels.
And it says concerning the body, that first comes the physical, then the spiritual.
Additionally, the Father is called the Father of spirits.
Finally, when we are born from God, we are born of his spirit.
Jesus is the firstborn of all creation.
We will have a body like his.
Later he came in the flesh for our sakes.
Anastas,…..wisdom is an atribute it is not or ever was a person. Using the word for a women metaphor does not mean it is a real women, nor is it Jesus christ, that is not to say Jesus or anyone else as far as that goes canot have wisdom as an atribuite. Be careful of metaphoric language used in scriptures it can really trip you up brother.
Gene, read the text carefully. It speaks of wisdom as she, meaning yes an attribute.
Then it says:
22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;
23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. 24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; 25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, 26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. 27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, 28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, 29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence,
Notice that the logos was given birth and became the man at his side (craftsman). See now Wisdom is male after being brought forth and given birth.
You just need to read on a bit more. If not, then you only read the part of the text where wisdom is spoken of purely as an attribute.
T8……..That is all metaphoric language , not just part of it brother. WISDOM is one of the seven “spirits of God. But That does not make it a being of any kind itself. We can have that same spirit of wisdom in us also. Even the devil express and uses the spirit of wisdom, howbeit in an evil use.
Why would you limit wisdom just to a particular person anyway? Everyone who has the spirit of wisdom can use it to accomplish things. Common sense tells us that brother.IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
@t8
It also says that we will become like the angels.
yes but only as per being not given in marriage and procreate ; not becoming spirit beings right ?
@t8,
Scripture says that angels are ministering spirits.
Languages can be hard understand because the same sentence can be used to mean more than one thing. You have to understand the spirit behind the words. Take for example these words you interpret them as saying angels are composed of spirit while I interpret them to mean angels have a ministering state of mind and so serve as example of the attitude Christian’s are to have. The essential element of both our interpretation is equivalent but mine lacks any mention of what the body of angels are composed of. Both can be supported by the English word spirit but I am not sure yours is by the Koine Greek word translated as spirit. The reason I am not sure is the source I looked at was too vague and the Greeks used the word daemon to mean a supernatural being like an elf or goblin.
T8…..i believe angel have bodies, at least they eat manna, which is called angels, food. Why need foodof any kind if you are composed of all spirit. Jesus plainly said spirits do not have bodies. I think people misunderstand where scripture say he God, makes his angels spirits as meaning he has made them spirit beings, remember God makes the spirit in us also, and we have physical bodies. We are said to be just a “little” lower the the angles, but if the angles were all spirit that would be a hugh difference right?
peace and love to you and yours. …………………gene
Gene,
It is another case of how applying a different definition to a word changes the spirit of its message. Some people wrongly interpret spiritual in the words “spiritual body” to means supernatural body and as opposed to the natural body. @T8 is choosing a translation that translates words that essentially means “soulish” to the words “physical body” and so sees the word spiritual as meaning non-physical. It is not a legitimate translation as a soul is non-physical.
Natural is just another words that means beastly and spiritual relates to God’s Spirit.
Kerwin……First of all a soul is a body activated by the spirit of life that is in it. scripture plainly say that in genesis. So why try to change the original description give in the bibical text, you have never produced one scripture that say a soul is a spirit of any kind. The soul is the complete person,not jyst part ofa person. God instilled a spirit into a body he made, and that is what became a “living soul”, according to scripture. Why do you want tochange clear scriptures tomeet you teachings?
peace and love to you and yours. ……………….gene
22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;
23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. 24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; 25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, 26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. 27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, 28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, 29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence,
t8,
The above is a reference BOTH to
“THE WORD” AND LUCIFER!
WISDOM, LIGHT,
The fact that it is a craftsman, therefore MALE,
For the simple reason, THAT WHAT REGARDS TO SPIRITUAL, AND HEAVENLY ATTRIBUTES are always
MALE
Job38:21 Didst thou know then that thou shouldst be born ? and didst thou know the number of thy days?
IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE, GOD EXPLAINED THE CREATION OF THE FIRST EVER EARTH TO JOB, WHICH WAS NOT MORTAL, SINCE THE REBEL WAS NOT YET OCCURRED, BUT IN ACTUAL FACT THOSE WORDS ARE DIRECTED TO LUCIFER THE FACT THAT HE SAID TO JOB:
DID YOU KNOW THEN, IN THOSE DAYS,THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN BORN,…..
Job,is one of the books which belong to the genre of wisdom literature, sharing a perspective that they themselves call the “way of wisdom”
WHEN WE READ JOB, THERE ARE MANY INSTANCES THAT JOB’S STATEMENTS ARE A REFERENCE BOTH TO JESUS AND LUCIFER/SATAN! JOB 3, IS ONE OF THEM! AND IT IS A REFERENCE WHEN JESUS WAS BORN AND WITHIN JESUS WAS ALSO SATANA’S SPIRIT, WHICH OBVIOUS HE WAS ONLY BORN TO LOSE ALL THAT HE DREAMT ABOUT.
Now, Lucifer was the first ever creature!
The beginning of creation, and since he was actually the wisdom itself,
he was the wisdom of the beginning, or the light of the beginning,
The fact that his name is “LUCIFER” which means
THE LIGHT OF THE MORNING since the morning , is the beginning of the day, and
LUCIFER, the light, wisdom, was THE BEGINNING OF CREATION!!Now due to Lucifer’s rebel, a new process of our creation commenced
BETWEEN
GOD’S LOVE and LUCIFER’S SELF LOVE!
LIGHT AND DARKNESS,
SO LUCIFER/SATAN MALE RELATED TO HIS SPIRITUAL STATE, OPTED TO REPRESENT THE FEMALE ROLE IN THE PROCESS OF OUR CREATION!
FULL OF ILLUSIONS, he took it for grunted that, that way,he would be within a kind of advantage and THE SON OF GOD WOULD NEVER BE BORN OF A WOMAN, SINCE EVENTUALLY IT WOULD BE THROUGH SATANA, THE FEMALE ROLE!
But regarding himself he only had to take hold of the first man ADAM, GOD’S ROLE IN THE PROCESS, THEREFORE HE WOULD EVENTUALLY RULE THE EARTH ETERNALLY, OWN A ROLE IN THE UNIVERSE AND BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH, WITH THE HOPE TO TOPPLE GOD AS WELL AND BECOME THE SOLE RULER OF THE UNIVERSE!THROUGH HIS SELF LOVE! PRIDE!
NOW Lucifer believed that he was autonomous, but within him, there was:
“THE WORD” JESUS’ SPIRIT, FIRST,
IN ORDER FOR “THE WORD” TO BE:
THE FIRST BORN OF THE FIRST CREATURE, AND CONSEQUENTLY
THE FIRST BORN OF ALL WHATEVER CREATED THROUGH LUCIFER,
THEN NON REVERSIBLE DEAD MATTER ,WHICH FORMED THE FIRST EARTH BUT HARDENED, DUE TO HIS REBEL!
So FROM THE BEGINNING, the whole process of our creation, was subject to
” THE WORD”
THE ONLY, MEDIATOR/ LIFE SOURCE SPIRIT! OTHERWISE NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING COULD EVER BE CREATED SINCE AS SOON AS THE LEAST SIN INTENTION WITHIN LUCIFER,THE FATHER WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY ERADICATED HIM!
THIS IS CONFIRMED FIRST IN:
2 Timothy 1: 9Who hath delivered us and called us by his holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus
BEFORE THE TIMES OF THE WORLD………
Than in
Rev.13:8And all that dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of
life of the Lamb, “THE WORD”
which was slain from the beginning of the world.
9 IF ANY MAN HAVE EAR, LET HIM HEAR
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Gene,
First of all a soul is a body activated by the spirit of life that is in it.
No, a soul is the heart of a being. God has a soul, animals have souls, humans have souls while plants do not. A soul departs the body at death but does not itself die. A human being is composed of soul and flesh. A human being can be refereed to as flesh even though he is both. She can also be referred to as soul even though he is both. We have discussed this in the past.
Gene,
There is actually a teaching based on the first chapter of Genesis in which it gives an account three types of creation. The first is the physical, the second is soulish, and the thirst is the spiritual. Most translators translate the word soul or its adjective form to something else; possibly because they think we laypeople will misunderstand. Their choice cause some to be confused.
Kerwin…..I have always considered a soul as the complete person,rather a man composed of a spirit and body, or GOD WHO IS SPIRIT. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. Scripure say when a man dies his “spirit” goes back to God, who gave it , his body corrupts back to dust from which it came. He then is no loner a living soul, he has no conscious thoughts, because he is no longer a living human being or a living soul, it takes both (body and spirit) to be a human living soul . IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene
Gene,
Scripure say when a man dies his “spirit” goes back to God, who gave it\
I think that is the breath God breathes into the nostrils of humanity.
The soul is different as Scripture states it goes to Sheol; aka Hades or Hell.
According to God man cannot destroy the soul by killing another person. All they can destroy is the body. Your teaching disagrees with his words.
Kerwin…..JESUS SAID FEAR GOD, who can bestory “both” body and soul, where? in the grave, why because a man no longer exists without a body combined with spirit, break the connection he no longer exists as a “LIVING SOUL”. IF God were to leave us in the grave we simply would no longer exist any longer, just that simple, to me that is. It is apsolutely nessary and cruical we atain to the resurection of our bodies in order for us to continue to be a “living soul”. The whole concept of a still living soul after death is a lie. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………..gene
Gene,
JESUS SAID FEAR GOD, who can destroy “both” body and soul, where? in the grave,
I assume you found some version of Scripture friendly to your teachings. He does not say grave in any way or form. The Hebrew is Gehenna, which does not mean grave.
Kerwin……I REALIZE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE WHEN A PERSON DIES HE IS REALLY DEAD, but if our souls are not tied to our bodies, then why even have a physical resurection, spoken of in Ezk 37. Here is what Jesus said about death.
Luk 12:4-5…And I say unto you my friends, be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5, But I will forwarn you whom you shall fear: Fear him, which after “HE” has killed, has power to cast into hell; yea I say unto you, FEAR HIM.
Now notice it depends on who is doing the killing, man or GOD, THERE is a difference, GOD has “power” to both kill and destory you in hell or gehenna, a valley outside of JERUSALEM, where things were “permanently” destoryed, once and for all done away with.
The point is not about where, or how one is killed, but who can “permanently” kill or destory you. Making this to mean something about a person is still alive after death, is not what JESUS WAS EVEN TALKING ABOUT HERE. Rather it is a ground grave or gehenna ,the vally of HENNON, has nothing to do with a person still being alive after he or she is dies.
I have posted many scriptures in the past that shows a person is truly dead without consciousness, his body corrupts in the grave, and his spirit returns to God who gave it in the first place. Scripture say there is absolutely no activity in the grave where we all go. The whole idea of human activity after death if completely false “the dead know nothing, in the day they die their thoughts parish'”, when? In the day they,”die”.
Common sense should tell you all if life continues after death , why even have a “RESURECTION ” of the dead if they were not really dead. When JESUS SAID HE WAS “DEAD” WAS HE STILL ALIVE? WAS HE LYING TO US? Why did his “body” not see coruption, if a body is not needed as a housing for our and his spirit.
I know many say the body profits nothing, but that is not what scriptures says, it say the flesh profits nothing, (fleshely persutes profit nothing is what that scripture is saying), if our bodies were not important why would God even make them for us in the first place. A spirit without a body is said to exist in arid places looking for rest. Why does it seek a body in order to find rest, if a body was not important? And did not GOD say “he gives “it” (the spirit) a “body” just as he pleases? Jesus was raised with a flesh body, and told us a spirit does not have a “flesh” body as he had.
I think this whole thing about a flesh body not being important to our existence as beings, is a false conclusion, scriptures seem to show bodies are very important To all of us. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ………………gene
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