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T8: Just because it may not fit exactly within the calculation doesn’t discredit it. You leave no margin for other factors such as atmospheric refraction.
Why should I? Is there any evidence in the 2000 years we’ve all “known” the earth was round to suggest that refraction can raise an object which is hidden behind the curvature back up into view? Not one iota. So the problem here lies with those who note that the observation clearly doesn’t align with the calculation, and instead of accepting the observational data as accurate, invent untestable phenomena out of thin air to negate it as a last ditch effort to save a failed model.
T8, I don’t know if you watched the video about Mercury, so I thought I’d just repeat the info here.
We’re told that the diameter of Mercury is 3032 miles. A Boeing 737 is 120 feet long. So we’re going to shrink Mercury down to the size of a 737.
If we divide the 3032 mile diameter of Mercury by 130,000 – we get 0.023 of a mile. If we convert that to feet, we get 121 feet. So we have shrunk Mercury down 130,000 times to match it with a Boeing 737. Are you with me so far?
Now, we’re going to do the same with the distance from Mercury. We’re told it is 48 million miles away from us. So we’ll divide the 48 million by the same 130,000 we used to match the size to the 737. 48 million miles divided by 130,000 equals 369 miles.
So the bottom line is that seeing the 3032 diameter Mercury from 48 million miles with the naked eye is equivalent to seeing a 120 foot long Boeing 737 from 369 miles away.
I would like an honest answer to the following question…
Since we can barely see a 737 at its cruising altitude of 35,000 feet (6.6 miles), do you think we could see one 369 miles high? Yes or No?
God clearly gave us the schedule of working six days and resting on the seventh BECAUSE He Himself worked for six days and rested on the seventh. So the ONLY reason they’d have to try to mangle the scriptures is because they believe what men have told them over and above what God Himself told us. There simply is no other reason for them doing it.
Mike and Dig, l completely agree.
But miia, maybe it’s better to ask what reason you have to suspect the earth is a stationary ball
I believe, like you do that the Earth is stationary, and the Sun and Moon and stars revolve around us, rather than what scientists lead us to believe.
But, even after the evidence you have presented, and after watching some good videos, I can’t fathom where the ends could be!
I believe that it is not perfectly level and you can see the goal is old and the fence is makeshift, so why would the field be perfectly level? Plus it would have been helpful had he zoomed around and showed the other goal. As it stands, we cannot even be sure he is filming from the field itself. He could be standing lower than the field or behind a slight rise outside of the field.
When I did the marble test, I saw first hand how easy it was to create this effect. But when I did it exactly with a level, I could see the whole marble the whole time. It is hard to judge without using special equipment or instrument whether the beginning and end lines are level with each other. And remember, slightly out at the near end means big disparity at the other end.
Similarly, this is why the weather can be hard to predict. One degree off in the distance with the path of a storm can make the difference as to whether it hits you or not.
There is a field neary my house that would be close to level. I may try the experiment myself with help from my kids. But the weather is pretty bad right now as it is winter here.
Thanks miia. It is pretty clear!
Ex 20:8-11 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
I guess the argument is that we know a lot more now then they did then. But wasn’t it God Himself that wrote the 10 Commandments!? Hmm…
In my opinion, their reasoning is; you have to have stellar evolution which requires biological evolution, which requires a Big Bang. A Big Bang requires stars before any planets or moons. Therefore, the sun could not have existed before the earth and a day is not a day even if God Himself says it is. Sad.
The other argument is that you cannot have light without a sun. This is maintained even after we have shown several verses that say explicitly that the sun is NOT required for light. Again, sad.
Flat Earther proves Globe Earth by being honest
Not sure about this video. I think this guy is a Flat Earther, but he provides calculations that actually prove the Globe Earth. I think he is a Flat Earther making the argument that the Flat Earth map is wrong because it is a globe projection on a 2D surface. But in doing so, he provides good evidence about flight paths in the Southern Hemisphere working out as they should if the world was a globe.
Perhaps someone else can explain what the intention of the video actually is suppose to be.
Miia….”the sabbath was made “FOR” man,and not man “FOR” the sabbath, the lord Jesus, said he was also, the son of man is lord “also” (like man is) of the sabbath.
Please Miia, don’t fall for this FLAT EARTH, garbage.
Peace and love to you and yours. ….miia
T8: “There is a field neary my house that would be close to level. I may try the experiment myself with help from my kids. But the weather is pretty bad right now as it is winter here.”
That would be great! If you do get the chance to do this please share with us the results. Remember to keep the camera or observer at near the ground level or you would need a longer field to see the effect.
Hope the weather gets better for you but at least you don’t have a volcano raining down on you!
miia: I believe, like you do that the Earth is stationary, and the Sun and Moon and stars revolve around us, rather than what scientists lead us to believe.
But, even after the evidence you have presented, and after watching some good videos, I can’t fathom where the ends could be!
Hi miia,
I think the ends are beyond the outer ice wall, where the ice meets with the dome firmament. Too bad when Paul was taken to the third heaven, he didn’t record what the earth looked like from up there. 🙂
Here’s the basic ancient Hebrew understanding…
And here’s another interpretation with the outer ice wall ending in four sharp corners…
The ancient Egyptians thought the firmament was a goddess…
Anyway, check out this page, where Rob Skiba has compiled tons of artwork displaying ancient civilizations’ conception of our world and its firmament…
http://robschannel.com/still-think-the-bible-isnt-a-flat-earth-book
But as far as the earth being a stationary sphere, it would fail for the same reasons the spinning, orbiting sphere fails… thousands of photos prove we can see way too far to be living on a ball. Plus, the horizon stays flat and at eye level no matter how high we go. That can’t happen on a ball, because the higher you went, the lower the horizon would drop below you. After a few thousand feet, you’d be looking down on the ball curving away from you.
T8: I believe that it is not perfectly level and you can see the goal is old and the fence is makeshift, so why would the field be perfectly level?
Looks to me like a regular old high school football field. But even if we imagine that the high school closed down, and the field has been in disrepair for decades, it would still be level, because when they first built it they built it level.
I think it’s great you are questioning the levelness of the field, the road, and the warehouse floor… because that tells me you understand the dilemma, and the only thing you can think of is to say there is a hump in the field, road, and warehouse floor. And that further means that once you do your own test and get the same results, you will understand unequivocally that things disappearing from the bottom up does not mean the surface is curved. And truth is all we’re after here, right?
What about my question earlier? Could you see a 737 with the naked eye when it is 369 miles above you?
T8, that was a great video! Yes, Rob Skiba is a FEther and his first hand experiments have led the way for many of us to begin to understand the true nature of, well nature.
This video focuses on the FE map as being “equal” as in equidistant. The grids that he was talking about show that the travel time in the Southern Hemisphere are what should be seen on the FE map. He has done some ground breaking stuff lately.
Thanks for sharing.
Refraction and mirages explained
One typically sees further along the Earth’s curved surface than a simple geometric calculation allows for because of refraction error. If the ground, or water, surface is colder than the air above it, a cold, dense layer of air forms close to the surface, causing light to be refracted downward as it travels, and therefore, to some extent, to go around the curvature of the Earth. The reverse happens if the ground is hotter than the air above it, as often happens in deserts, producing mirages. As an approximate compensation for refraction, surveyors measuring distances longer than 100 meters subtract 14% from the calculated curvature error and ensure lines of sight are at least 1.5 meters from the ground, to reduce random errors created by refraction.
– WikipediaThis video focuses on the FE map as being “equal” as in equidistant. The grids that he was talking about show that the travel time in the Southern Hemisphere are what should be seen on the FE map. He has done some ground breaking stuff lately.
But he inadvertently proves the Globe Earth as being consistent with flight times, particularly the direct route between Sydney and Buenos Aires (I think). He debunked the idea of air travel in the Southern Hemisphere as being wrong if the Earth was a globe.
I was I was wondering how this could happen when the sun is setting on one side of the earth and the moon is rising on the other side.
Then if you have time you can explain how we can see Mercury. It should not be visable due to just the size and it should never be on the night side of earth!
Hi Mike,
That is because you use to ask two part leading questions meant to entrap
So I would be forced to answer “no” even when most of your question I agreed with.
But to allow you no foothold for you self promoting false beliefs I was forced to answer “no”Have I made myself clear?
Yes we understand that point, but my view is if you ask a question honestly, yes or no will bring out the truth in the end. While a person may use your answer as a springboard, you can easily negate that by asking them to answer yes or no. The truth will lead to the truth, so we put our best foot forward and see where it leads. And I have faith in the truth. So I don’t worry about being setup. Let them lay a trap. You can ask for yes and no too and the trap won’t work. If the other person thinks it works then they are deceived.
Thank you T8 for weighing in.
Yes I agree simple one part questions are easily answered AND easily understood.
However, two part questions answered as a “no” is not so easily understood,
yet is the only choice available because Yes is incorrect and out
of the question and “I don’t know” would be incorrect.That is my point.
It is then the first person’s responsibility to repackage their question
AS another question AFTER the second person asks HIS question._____________
God bless
Ed Jmiia, gyros are another proof. They use them in airplanes (get it? air-plane – as in something that flies in the air over the plane? 🙂 ). A gyro is a disk of metal, and once you start it spinning in one orientation (say, level with the ground), it will maintain that same orientation regardless of how you move or rotate the cage that holds it…
See the red arrow at the bottom? That’s saying if we grab that base, and spin it upwards, the gyro will remain level like it is in the photo – and cage will just move around it. In airplanes, gyros are linked to the attitude meter that we’ve all seen photos of…
The red A points to the line that represents the wings of the aircraft. The red B points to the ground-level line. They get the gyro up and spinning before take off, so it is aligned level with the runway, and with the ground-level line on the attitude meter. So when the plane takes off and starts ascending higher in the sky, the gyro remains level with the ground, even though the plane is now perhaps 45 degrees to the ground as its rising. The attitude meter will make the yellow wings be high above the white ground-level line, to let the pilot know he is ascending – and to what degree. If he dives the plane down at a steep angle, the yellow wings will go below the ground-level line to indicate that the pilot is now heading downward, and no longer flying level with the ground. And the red C shows how the attitude meter will spin around like hands on a clock when the pilot banks left or right. If he banks left, the yellow triangle will move clockwise to whatever degree mark he is banking. If he banks right, the yellow triangle will move counter-clockwise to what ever degree on the other side. All of this change in the attitude meter is because, like the cage holding the gyro above, the plane and the attitude meter are moving around a stationary gyro.
This instrument is to let the pilot know at all times his relationship to the level ground he’s flying over. And it’s important because they are often flying in conditions that they can’t see 5 feet in front of them, and so they need to know that they’re not inadvertently diving slightly to the ground, or turning (banking) off course to the left or right. When JFK Jr. died in that plane crash, they said that the attitude meter was faulty, and so he was slowly diving down towards the ocean when he thought he was flying level above it.
Anyway, here’s the point. If the earth was a ball, and a pilot got to cruising altitude and then just kept the yellow wings (red A) aligned with the ground-level indicator line (red B), he would just keep flying exactly level with the runway he took off from. And in less than an hour of doing that, he’d be flying into space…
The gyro will always stay level with the runway. The pilot will keep the yellow wings aligned with the white ground-level line, so the plane will also continue to fly level with the runway it took off from. But the ball earth will curve below the plane as it continues flying level with the runway it took off from. So the pilot would either have to constantly dip the nose of the plane downward to follow the curve of the earth, or remain level with the runway he took off from, and end up in outer space.
And the very purpose of the attitude meter is to make sure the pilot flies level with the ground he took off from. Pilots just keep the instrument aligned level… they don’t constantly dip the nose of the plane down to follow the curve of the earth.
I know that was a lot of stuff. Do you understand what I’m saying? If not, please ask questions.
Ed: Yes I agree simple one part questions are easily answered AND easily understood.
However, two part questions answered as a “no” is not so easily understood…
Okay Ed, here’s a one part Yes or No question for you…
Does Micah 5:2 say that the one who would go forth from Bethlehem and rule Israel had his origins in the ancient past? YES or NO?
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