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D4T: Hi Lightenup, I did see the post. I even went back to test it with Scripture. Unfourtunatly it didn’t hold up as far as I can tell although I’m sure there is a spiritual aspect to it. Sorry I didn’t get back to it sooner.
Job 9:5-7 “It is God who removes the mountains, they know not how, When He overturns them in His anger; 6 Who shakes the earth out of its place, And its pillars tremble; 7 Who commands the sun not to shine, And sets a seal upon the stars;
Psalm 75:2-4 “When I select an appointed time, It is I who judge with equity. 3 “The earth and all who dwell in it melt; It is I who have firmly set its pillars. Selah. 4 “I said to the boastful, ‘Do not boast,’ And to the wicked, ‘Do not lift up the horn;
Both of these references would appear to be about judgment and the pillars tremble. It is unlikely that the Torah would tremble at Hashem’s judgment.
Are there any scriptural references in the Tanach or Brit Hadasha that you can use to support this view?
Hi Kathi, I’ve been reading ahead during breaks at work, but haven’t been able to post as fast. So I had read this response from D4T before I got a chance to answer your original post. I agree with him that Job 9:6 works against what you proposed. As does this one…
1 Samuel 2:8
…for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and he hath set the world upon them.
There are a few verses in which pillar is used metaphorically, but it is clear from the context. The only thing that would cause someone to read the above verses metaphorically is a preconceived notion that the earth doesn’t really rest on pillars. And there is no reason for me to believe that it doesn’t. There’s also no reason for me to believe that heaven doesn’t rest on pillars of its own…
Job 26:11
“The pillars of heaven tremble And are amazed at His rebuke.
Remember me posting this image…
Notice the pillars/foundations of the heavens. That was how the Hebrews understood it. Why should we understand it differently, just because certain “enlightened” men laugh and say the world is different than these ignorant sheep herders thought? These same menalso tell us the universe created itself from nothing 13.7 billion years ago, life spontaneously generated from non-living matter 4 billion years ago, and then evolved by billions of random accidents into people like you and me who foolishly believe we were created. So what really do those men know, compared to God and the people He spoke to personally and through many prophets? Heck, we still haven’t a clue how they could have made the pyramids, or Stonehenge. Yet “ignorant sheep herders” figured these things and much more out millenia ago.
Anyway, I don’t see the pillars/foundations as metaphorical. What about Joshua commanding the sun and moon to stand still in the sky?
Ed: Hi Mike,
I have seen a lot of this before, it is compelling. Like
the airplane flights in the southern hemisphere. And sunspots
on clouds. And the sun coming at different angles through the clouds…and the six mile canal experiment… ect.
Good man. FECore just finished a successful 40 Km laser test, and will be posting the video soon. They’ve already posted 100 pages of scientific gibberish to make it an official peer reviewed type experiment. They’ve dotted all the i’s and crossed all the t’s – just so they don’t have to put up with any crap from detractors. I’ll post the video here when they finish editing it.
T8: Just call it a planet and it should go away. It has an inferiority complex.
That is flippin’ hilarious! Good one. 😀
Anthony: Hi Mike God is good Mike ,I think you really need to grow up God brings us to full grown sons you really can’t believe the earth is flat.. Mike I’m not here to debate with you I don’t really thinks God would want me to waste my time with this kind of non scents ,no read proverbs and the book of John God bless you . The Spirit of God will lead you to knowing the earth is round Good luck bye.
Gene: Anthony. …Well put brother.
Kathi, I’m having a bit of deja vu here. 🙂
Anthony, condemnation without investigation is the epitome of indoctrination.
Gene, were you able to figure out that 24 inches is not the same as 8 inches yet? Or are you still working out the mathematics of it?
T8, I’ll see your top 10 video, and raise you a much better one that makes minced meat out of yours…
As for the one point you brought up, nobody has EVER observed something behind a curved object being brought back over the object via refraction, atmospheric lensing, or any other mechanism. And just so you know, when light refracts, it angles towards the denser medium. To bring a distant object up over the imaginary curved horizon of the ball earth, the light would have to be bending away from the denser and towards the less dense. That simply never happens.
But right now we’re on Eratosthenes. After you answer the one simple question I asked about his experiment, we’re going to deal with this 8 inches per mile squared formula until you either acknowledge it as the fact every mathematician in the world knows it is, or come up with a legitimate reason to question it – which we will then discuss. We’re going back to the drawing board, baby. And we ain’t leaving until we get some closure on these things I’ve presented. 🙂
miia and D4T, I’ve been reading all your posts, and loving them. I just haven’t had the time to respond. But keep them coming.
I will see your video and raise you another, Mike.
This one has satisfying answers in it to some of the questions you have asked here.
Hi all I have had a computer glitch and had to reset (twice). So have been absent most of this week, apologies.
Can people in the 21st century really think the Earth is a flat disk, and not a sphere? When I see their claims I have to wonder if it’s an elaborate hoax,I was thinking of writing up a definitive post debunking this silliness, but decided I have better things to do, like clipping my toenails. It’s like trying to disprove solipsism; why bother? I don’t see this as being a particularly infectious bit of antiscience,Maybe someday if I’m particularly bored — like say locked in a room with just water, bagels, and an internet-connected computer — I’ll write something up. It would be a fun mental exercise, but not terribly useful against the Flat Earthers. If someone showed them my page, they’d probably just deny the existence of the internet. God bless maybe I’ll understad in the sweet bye and bye…
Anthony…..right on brother, FE peolpe are those who are ignorant of apsolute established truths, proven over and over for 2000 years, they choose to believe lies, rather then the proven truths, it really is amazing is it not?
Anyway glad there are some who can acknowledge the truth when they see it here.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi,
Start with doubt and add in fear of deception. A pinch of conspiracy theory and a drop of rebellion. Mix all together with personal observation and self will and half bake it till it does not seem ludicrous any more. Serve it to likeminded friends.
Nick,,,,,Yea, that is a recipe that causes so many of these wack jobs. Many don’t know the truth when it’s right in front them. They still would rather believe a lie. They simply will not admit, pride of life prevents them from admitting they are dead wrong, i even believe if they were given a space ship ride complete around the earth, they still wouldn’t believe the earth is round. It’s hard for me to believe a person with the Spirit of truth in them could simply sluf off so great amount of evidence, an turn to these conspiracy theorest wacks.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Gene, I believe that to a person can have a distorted view of something and still be a spirit filled believer. But I would argue that the believer would be moving forward in truth, not backwards, although we do have to allow for stumbling from time to time. But overall, believers make progress when they are being led by the Spirit. Further, believing the Earth is flat is not a salvation issue, but at worse is deception if it is wrong. It should make us look at ourselves to see where we may be going wrong more so than trying to change another person. That said, if some Christians say that this is a Bible vs Science issue and if these Christians are wrong, then that is a sure way to make people distrust the Bible which could even affect the salvation of some souls.
but decided I have better things to do, like clipping my toenails.
Yes that is important. Growing claws gives ammunition for those that believe in Evolution.
- Shouldn’t have done that shouldn’t have got rude and disrespectful, again sorry t8 and Mike and everyone
Mike: Are they suggesting that a flower doesn’t actually exist unless someone happens to be looking at it?
T8: When you are not observing protons or electrons, they are waves. When you observe, they are particles or real pixels.
How do we test that claim scientifically?
D4T: But t8, mathematics says that a sphere with a circumference of our earth would curve at 8″ per mile squared.
Yes it certainly does. Gene and T8 have questioned this well established formula that every scientist and mathematician in the world accepts – just like they all accept 3.14 as the value of pi. Gene is standing firm with his own math of 2 feet per mile period – apparently oblivious that his formula can only ever make a constantly decreasing slanted line. T8 must be coming around, however, because I see he has moved on to the “refraction” argument.
But this is great, D, because one wouldn’t question the math or appeal to refraction unless that one was coming to terms with the observational evidence that we can indeed see objects that are much farther away than we could if the earth were a ball. So it seems we are making progress – even if they don’t yet realize it. It is a lot to swallow all at once… especially after so many years of such heavy indoctrination and constant propaganda. Baby steps work for me. 🙂
Mike…it ok to question things, i am not against that, but when there is a hugh overwhelming body of evidence we should lean toward that body of truth, IMO,
T8… To me it’s a destraction, BUT, I ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE SAID, I CERTAINLY DO NOT WAN’T TO OFFEND ANYONE, SO IF I HAVE PLEASE FORGIVE ME. NO ONE HAS “ALL” THE TRUTH, EXCEPT GOD. THERE ARE MANY THINGS I DON’T UNDERSTAND EITHER, SO I SHOULDN’T BE SO HARD ON OTHERS. AGAIN SORRY MIKE, OR WHO EVER I HAVE OFFENDED.
Peace and love to you all and yours. ……gene
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