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Hi guys.
The Flat Earth is fraught with errors. But all these problems go away if you do one simple thing.
Instead of drawing longitudinal lines out to the edge of a disk, you simply draw them out toward the equator and back in toward a single point in the south, just as it is in the North. Boom! Distances are correct, all people at the same latitude in the Southern Hemisphere then see the same sky, and you see the correct land below your plane if you are travelling long distance. It fits with reality.
Once you accept this truth, then you only need to accept one more simple truth that fixes everything else for you. If the earth rotates around the sun instead of the sun going around a fixed earth from a larger perspective, then eclipses make visual sense, 15 degrees per hour drift makes sense, and night and day make sense.
These two revolutionary ideas explain everything. You guys should look into it, I am thinking of calling the theory the ‘Heliocentric model’.
Thanks t8, I think he (Joel) makes a good point that every nation or people group that is mentioned specifically is from the surrounding kingdoms of Israel. And as he commented it doesn’t necessarily exclude any Western nations but focuses and emphasizes the surrounding nations of Israel.
Dig4truth and Mike THERE IS NO FLAT EARTH, THERE NEVER WAS ONE , THIS WORLD WAS CREATED ROUND AND WITH ALL THE KNOWLEDGE WE NOW HAVE, WITH UNDISPUTED PROOF AVAILABLE TODAY, ONLY FOOLS WOULD THINK OTHERWISE. THIS WHOLE SUBJECT HAS GONE TO PURE STUPIDITY. IMO, time to let it die.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Ed: Thank you for realizing “Gematria”=74 does indeed play a role in TRUTH. “AKJV Bible”=74
A lot of Qanons/truthers in general are heavy into gematria. You’d like Marty Leeds 33 and Crrow777. I can’t bring myself to listen to those guys because they go too overboard with it. Sometimes a person is just born in a certain year, or does something of interest on a certain date. They are always like, “Einstein was born in 1879! That’s 2 nines AND a seven! And we all know that nines and sevens are Satan’s numbers, right?” 😁 So while I agree that numbers and symbols play a BIG part in the lives of those who follow Satan and rule this world (Q says their symbols will be their downfall), I think sometimes people just get a little too carried away with it.
Ed: “The USA”=74 – The USA brings the freedom of “Jesus”=74 to the entire globe. Ooops, I mean the world!
Lol! Good catch. Glad you fixed your error there. 😂🤣
t8: Hey thanks for promoting my website. I’ve been quite fortunate as it has been no 1 in Google for ‘New Zealand photos’ almost since Google first started. In fact the site was live 3 years before Google. Giving away my age now.
What can I say? You do good work on that site. I call them as I see them. Kudos for the good things you do, and slap downs for the idiotic things you say in defense of your silly spinning ball fantasy. 😉
t8: The problem with something that is not true (a lie) is that to defend it, you need to create new lies and often, liars get caught out because the web of lies becomes evident after a while.
Don’t ever call me, or even imply that I am a liar. Now look at your picture of the three guys. The guy on the left would be at dusk, the guy on the right at dawn, and the guy in the middle at midnight. Yet you’re telling me they all see the same sky at the same time? No.
t8: Ask your cousin for his travel itinerary. …if he went via Argentina or Chile, then check their departure and arrival times. Calculate the speed of the plane on each leg. Now look at the leg from South America to NZ and I’m betting the plane had to travel something like 3 times faster than the North America to South America leg to get its arrival time on a flat earth.
I’ve told you about jet streams before, but here we go again. First things first. There is a site called Earth Nullschool.com. It collects up-to-the-minute weather data from all over the world, and gives you a platform to overlay that data onto various projection maps. Here is an example of various jet streams overlaid onto a globe projection…
Do you notice how there is no rhyme or reason to the patterns? Now here are the same jet streams overlaid onto the AE projection map…
Just look at how coherent it is… how much sense it makes on the flat earth map – as compared to the nonsensical jumbled up mess on the globe projection. Flat earthers took note of this, and started making a bunch of videos comparing the weather patterns on a globe vs the AE map. And since it was waking a lot of people up to the flat earth, somebody from NASA must have gotten worried, and made a threat to the guy who runs the site or something. Because a couple of years ago, all of a sudden and out of the blue, the site owner just up and eliminated the AE projection as one of your options. The site is still up and running, and the other 7 projection choices are still available, but the AE projection is no more. Why? Keep in mind that the AE is not something new. From Wiki…
While it may have been used by ancient Egyptians for star maps in some holy books,[1] the earliest text describing the azimuthal equidistant projection is an 11th-century work by al-Biruni.[2]
This map has been around for a very long time, is the United Nations flag, and has been used by sailors for centuries. So why would this site owner just up and remove one of the oldest known projection maps? Could it be BECAUSE this map was making it so clear to so many people that we live on a flat disk instead of a spinning ball?
Anyway, the jet streams so coherently shown in the AE map above vary with speed and direction depending on altitude. Let’s say that at 7 miles up, there is a clockwise jet stream moving at 350 mph. At 8 miles up, there is a counter-clockwise stream moving at 250 mph. And at 9 miles up, there is another clockwise stream moving at 550 mph. Pilots have known about these streams for as long as there have been airplanes. The government and the Google Loon Project both know about them, and use them to navigate their balloon satellites. So they are no secret.
Now, let’s say the pilot is flying from Australia to Chile. To save time and fuel, he will not fly at 8 miles up, because that’s where the 250 mph stream is going AGAINST him. He could fly at 7 miles up, and take advantage of the 350 mph stream going his way. Or he could fly at 9 miles up, and take advantage of the 550 mph stream going his way. If you were the pilot trying to same time and fuel, you’d obviously take the 9 miles up choice, right? And then you’d set your airspeed at 550 mph… but you’d been flying that fast THROUGH air that was itself moving at 550 mph. So how fast would you REALLY be going? That’s right… at an 1100 mph ground speed.
So when you say the flight takes 13 hours and the plane was going 550 mph… that’s not the whole story. Rather, the flight took 13 hours but the ground speed of the plane was 1100 mph! And at 1100 mph, you can cover twice the distance in that same 13 hours. But the powers that be don’t want the mass public to know or think about these things, and so they just keep repeating the 550 mph times 13 hours equals x distance. And in reality, it was 13 hours at 1100 mph, which would equal y distance.
So now your mission – should you choose to accept it – is to VERIFY the ACTUAL distance between Australia and Chile. How will you do it? Remember that the best sailors in the world have used the AE map for CENTURIES, and have arrived at their destinations in the expected times without running aground in Australia months ahead of schedule. So how do you both VERIFY the real distances for yourself, AND account for the fact that the AE map has worked perfectly for millions of sailors for centuries?
Imagine a bucket of water. Place a ball in the centre. Now float a small plastic aeroplane half way out, between the ball and the edge of the bucket.
Next, spin the ball. If the ball is big enough, it will drag the water around it. Well it will do that if it is small too, but will have less influence further out.
You will now see that as the ball spins, it drags the plane with it. The plane is not stationary and thus cannot drop onto the ball at any point it wants.
The ball is the earth. The plastic plane is a 747. The water is the atmosphere which is water too.
So to wait for China to come around, you need to far enough out. That is, go into space, wait for the earth to spin, then drop back down. The problem is that it requires more energy, technology, and money to fly to China that way, so it is not practical.
Don’t ever call me, or even imply that I am a liar. Now look at your picture of the three guys. The guy on the left would be at dusk, the guy on the right at dawn, and the guy in the middle at midnight. Yet you’re telling me they all see the same sky at the same time? No.
Go back to my post and you will notice I said ‘something’, not someone’. Thus people who spread lies and know they are lies are liars. People who spread lies but dot know or are unsure they are lies are mistaken and deceived.
I make no personal judgement about which heading you are under. But what you say here is not true. You have been debunked multiple times. It’s between you and God to sort out. I only debunk the teaching. God is the one to judge the teacher.
What can I say? You do good work on that site. I call them as I see them. Kudos for the good things you do, and slap downs for the idiotic things you say in defense of your silly spinning ball fantasy.
Thanks man. Hey what about some feedback on this page?
The guy on the left would be at dusk, the guy on the right at dawn, and the guy in the middle at midnight. Yet you’re telling me they all see the same sky at the same time? No.
Your point here is either a lie, you are deceived, or you are mistaken.
I never said that they would see the same amount of light or sun at the same time, but that they would see the same sky albeit rotated. And indeed this is true as observation proves it and it can be tested in any 24 hour period..
Yes they do not all have night at the same time. And as we know, sunlight blocks out star light from our perspective because it is like a floodlight vs a bunch of candles.
Here’s the rub though. Your point needs the extra assertion that there is a stretch of sky in the Southern Hemisphere where people can never see the constellations. That they are always hidden or that there is just a blank sky with zero stars that is always hidden. Prove it Mike. That is a huge claim. If you do not make this claim, then your flat earth model is broken. It needs that assertion. Where is the evidence of these constellations that men never get to see?
Just to be clear, we see half the sky and I can see the whole sky that anyone else on my latitude can see. That is a fact. You must assume that given the huge Southern Hemisphere or outer part of the disk, that I am not seeing the whole sky down here, but only a third or so only. What about the rest?
So prove to me that there is a hidden sky that no one ever gets to see at night.
Oh yes, the jet streams.
But it is inescapable, the plane would still be travelling 3 times or so faster.
Instead of 460 – 575 mph / 740 – 930 kph, the South American leg of the journey would have the plane travelling around 1500 mph / 3000 kph just to round it off into easy numbers.
Wow. So now planes travel 3 times faster than possible because nature gives a helping hand and humans haven’t detected it yet except flat earthers of course, and there is a section of the southern sky that no one ever gets to see it’s constellations because flat earth.
See how one lie demands a web of lies to support it. Often this is how we can tell that something isn’t true.
Mike: Don’t ever call me, or even imply that I am a liar.
A follower of Chris would find a way to de-escalate this situation. What kind of a person would go out of his way to try to inflame the situation instead?
t8: …people who spread lies and know they are lies are liars…
t8: Your point here is either a lie…
t8: See how one lie demands a web of lies to support it.
What was that t8 recently posted about being a “peacemaker” or something? Hmm…
Now let’s see what happens next. I’d like to see… “Sorry Mike, you’re right. We have some serious disagreements on some key issues, but I was wrong to even bring the word “lie” into the discussion. That was very petty behavior, and has no place in a civilized discussion between Christians who simply have different beliefs about certain subjects. Having a heartfelt belief that differs from mine does not mean that one of us is “lying”, and it was not very Christ-like of me to ever use that word in any of its forms. I sincerely apologize, and won’t let it happen again.”
Mike, a lie is a lie.
As I said, people who spread lies are liars, deceived, or mistaken.
Of course you believe that you are correct, but my statement is a true statement right?
If the Flat Earth is false and the Bible doesn’t teach it, then you have to be under one of those three headings right?
And I corrected you about your post where you insinuated that I was saying that all 3 guys are looking at the night sky at the same time and you proceeded to correct me.
But, all I ever said was they see the same constellations albeit rotated. To see the constellations, it has to be night and obviously I have never said that the whole southern hemisphere experiences night at the same time. But you babbled on about dusk, night and proceeded to correct me as if I was saying that. You were wrong though. You wandered down the wrong path in the discussion.
So I simply pointed out that you misrepresented me which if intentional is a lie or now that I think about it, bearing false witness, If not intentional (you know the answer to that), then you must have been deceived about it, or the best you can hope for is that you are not a deceived person, but was mistaken on that point.
Sort it out Mike and move on. I speak the truth about lies and deception and am not ever going to apologize on behalf of the truth. It’s a sharp sword that can be wielded, but it can cut you up bad if you fall on it.
All lies are of the devil He is the father of lies. Lies are his native tongue. A servant of God should not speak his language. That obviously is advice for all of us Mike.
Being a peacemaker doesn’t mean you ignore lies, throw truth out the window, or compromise on living a wholesome life to please others. It means you don’t do unnecessary things that will cause conflicts and for the sake of conflict. But there are necessary things that will cause conflict. That is why Jesus said he came to bring division. The truth will cause conflict because not all men are aligned to it.
“The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
So moving on with your assertion that the visible constellations in the Southern Hemisphere are embedded in the glass dome and rotate toward each of those three hypothetical characters in that diagram.
When the stars are visible to the guy in South America, then what about the sky that the guy in Australia is seeing? Explain to me this huge section of sky that is always lit up. Does it have constellations too or just the sun?
And how come I don’t see stars first appear on one side of the sky and then track across the empty sky to fill up the whole viewable sky and then slowly disappear on the original side where the stars first appeared and track away. In reality, what happens is the stars appear all over the sky with the order being the brightest appearing first regardless of its position above the viewer. And when the sun comes out, the stars disappear with the brightest where ever they are disappearing last. You don’t see the last stars to appear as being the last to leave as your model suggests.
I’m curious to know more about how you guys explain all this exactly.
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