Flat Earth?

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  • #844093
     Ed J 
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    Ed, the longest day in NZ this year was almost 15 hours, as you say. My answer to how that happens on the flat earth is “I don’t know”. Sorry, but there is still much to learn about this beautiful dome-covered plane that God created for us. 🙂

    Ok, thanks Mike!

    #844094
     mikeboll64 
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    Hey Ed, just saw this today.  Less than 2 minutes.  Let me know what you think of the sunlight pattern part…

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     Ed J 
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    Hi Mike,

    I watched it, but I don’t get it ???

    #844101
     mikeboll64 
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    The sunlight hitting the outer extremities of the earth (the red rays) spread farther and cover more ground than the rays hitting the middle and inner earth.  Maybe allows for the longer summer days in the south when the sun is on its outermost circuit?

    #844102
     mikeboll64 
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    Look at the 1:03 mark.  See how much ground the red rays cover?

    #844103
     mikeboll64 
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    See how they ride along the dome?  I still don’t know, but there are possibilities that don’t require a spinning water ball.

    #844137
     mikeboll64 
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    D4T, I was working on a new video, and had included the meteorologist talking about the Joshua Nowicki Chicago skyline photo.  He was explaining how cold lake temps and warmer air temps caused an inversion layer which projected the entire city of Chicago hundreds of feet up over the curve and set it on the horizon in perfect form.  (“What you’re seeing here is a mirage…” 😀 )  Mom was apparently watching and listening from a distance, and at the end of his explanation she just blurted out, “Well I don’t believe that nonsense!”  LOL

    That’s exactly the kind of stuff that convinced me.  Not only are we seeing a city that should be completely hidden by earth curve, but the mainstream explanation is post hoc, unsubstantiated, and nonsensical.  What proof did the meteorologist offer that it was just a mirage?  None, because this is the only “proof” he has to offer…

    1.  It’s a photo of Chicago.
    2.   Chicago couldn’t be seen that far on a ball earth.
    3.   I KNOW we live on a ball earth.
    4.   Therefore, atmospheric magic MUST BE happening to project a mirage of Chicago up over the curve.

    And how much of Chicago is looming up over the curve?  Well, exactly the amount that supposed to be hidden by the curve, right?  Because that’s what happens in EVERY case.  200 feet should be hidden?  Well then 200 feet is exactly how much is looming!  2 miles should be hidden?  Well then 2 miles exactly is looming!  Lol.

    But then we come to cases like Stephen Hawking’s test on Salton Sea, where the boat disappeared EXACTLY at 3 miles like the ball earth math requires.. and the balloon was able to be seen at EXACTLY 24 feet up in the air like the ball earth math requires.  What happened to their magic looming refraction in those experiments?  Why didn’t we see a little of the boat still looming up over the curve?  Why didn’t we see a mirage of the balloon before it reached a height of exactly 24 feet?  🙂

    And then there’s the best of all cases like Superstition Mountain and Mount Ruapehu – where only part of the object should be hidden.  If T8 says the bottom of Ruapehu is looming up from beyond the curve, then what about the top part that we should be seeing on a ball earth?  Why would that part also loom up into the clear blue sky just enough so that it looks like it’s sitting perfectly on top of the bottom part of the mountain that’s looming up over the curve?  Why wouldn’t we have a mirage of the bottom part OVERLAYING the actual top part that we can see on the ball?

    These are things they don’t think about, but that will be included in that video.  I’ve been “working” on it for over a month now.  Maybe I’ll be done within the next year or so.  😀

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     t8 
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     t8 
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    All this imploding and exploding objects with different PSI is silly because probably everyone in this forum owns a car that has 4 wheels with each containing a PSI of around 32. So 32 – 15 = 17 PSI difference. If a tire can handle that sort of pressure, then surely men can build craft as strong as that. IMO. this particular point has been debunked.

    #844144
     Dig4truth 
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    Mike, that will be an important video! In my opinion that is one of the most glaring pieces of evidence that they have no answer for. I can’t tell you how many people I have spoken to that when this is brought up they either just shut down or more likely dismiss it and continue on with other points. I would love to have a concise video I can direct them to.

     

    t8, on simple question; if the tire pressure was 8,000,000 psi and the outside pressure was 32 psi what do you think would happen to the tire at such different pressures?

    I ask that question because that is closer to reality according to the scientific knowledge of the day. It is NOT 17 psi difference between the ISS or the Lunar Lander and the vacuum of space but in the millions and millions and millions of psi difference (or lack there of in the case of a vacuum). You can easily verify this.

    So now who’s theory has just been debunked?

    #844145
     Dig4truth 
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    At Sea level the pressure is 1,013.25 millibars.

    Near Earth’s surface the pressure decreases with height at a rate of about 3.5 millibars for every 30 metres (100 feet). However, over cold air the decrease in pressure can be much steeper because its density is greater than warmer air. The pressure at 270,000 metres (10−6 mb) (167.7 miles) is comparable to that in the best man-made vacuum ever attained. At heights above 1,500 to 3,000 metres (5,000 to 10,000 feet), the pressure is low enough to produce mountain sickness and severe physiological problems unless careful acclimatization is undertaken.  (emphasis mine)

    https://www.britannica.com/science/atmospheric-pressure

     

    It could be noted that at 167 miles, the ISS is even higher and thus a lower pressure. However, as the Encyclopedia Britannica states; “The pressure at 270,000 metres (10−6 mb)“.

    So at sea level we have 1013 mb and at the height of the ISS or lower we have 10-6 mb. Let’s do some math.

    1,013 mb (sea level)

    0.000001 mb (167 miles up) 

    To compare the tire pressure you would only need to approximately double the pressure in the tire with the outside pressure. (Tire 32, outside 14.7)

    However the difference of pressure with the ISS and the outside is not just double but 10,000,000,000 times the difference. Now my math may be off but I did use an online converter so that’s what it told me.

    Think about it t8, they say that the atmosphere is so thin there that the molecules don’t even bump into each other that often! That’s why they explain that it can be so hot there and not burst things into flame!

    Aren’t you “tired” of the lies?

     

     

    #844146
     Dig4truth 
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    The thermosphere is the layer in the Earth’s atmosphere directly above the mesosphere and below the exosphere. Within this layer of the atmosphere, ultraviolet radiation causes photoionization/photodissociation of molecules, creating ions in the ionosphere. Taking its name from the Greek θερμός (pronounced thermos) meaning heat, the thermosphere begins at about 80 km (50 mi) above sea level.[1] At these high altitudes, the residual atmospheric gases sort into strata according to molecular mass (see turbosphere). Thermospheric temperatures increase with altitude due to absorption of highly energetic solar radiation. Temperatures are highly dependent on solar activity, and can rise to 1,700 °C (3,100 °F) or more. Radiation causes the atmosphere particles in this layer to become electrically charged (see ionosphere), enabling radio waves to be refracted and thus be received beyond the horizon. In the exosphere, beginning at about 600 km (375 mi) above sea level, the atmosphere turns into space, although by the criteria set for the definition of the Kármán line, the thermosphere itself is part of space.

    The highly diluted gas in this layer can reach 2,500 °C (4,530 °F) during the day. Despite the high temperature, an observer or object will experience cold temperatures in the thermosphere, because the extremely low density of gas (practically a hard vacuum) is insufficient for the molecules to conduct heat. A normal thermometer will read significantly below 0 °C (32 °F), at least at night, because the energy lost by thermal radiation would exceed the energy acquired from the atmospheric gas by direct contact. In the anacoustic zone above 160 kilometres (99 mi), the density is so low that molecular interactions are too infrequent to permit the transmission of sound.

     

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermosphere

    (most emphasis mine)

    For those inquiring minds out there.

    Simple point t8, it is way, way, way more than double the difference in pressure! And that’s putting it mildly.

    #844147
     mikeboll64 
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    In a classic case of iron sharpens iron, D4T’s post prompted me to find an online PSI to millibar converter.  15 PSI is 1034 mb.  30 PSI is – as you’d assume – 2068 mb.  The converse of that would be halving the 1034 to 517mb.  Then you’d have to half it again to get 258.5 mb. So you see, T8, to get to the pressure where the ISS is, you’d have to keep halving and halving all the way to .000001 – just to be at 167 miles up (not 250 miles where the ISS is).  Now work that the other way with the tire pressure.  Keep doubling and doubling as many times as you have to half it the other way, and see how much pressure it is.

    #844151
     Dig4truth 
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    I had to look at all kinds of conversion tables to get a grip on this but when it clicks it is astounding! If I had to take a stab in the dark at the tire pressure it would be around 32,000,000 psi and of course the outside would still be 14.7 psi. Wow, talk about over-inflating!

    Shall we consider the astronaut’s suits on the moon (allegedly) and how much of a pressure differential there was? They should have looked like the Michelin Man a nano second before they exploded!

     

    #844152
     Dig4truth 
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    Here is an important point, even if the math is off by a factor of 10 to 100 it would still have the same result because of the immense pressure differential!

    #844154
     Dig4truth 
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    At sea level on Earth, we breathe in an atmosphere where each cubic centimeter contains 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules; by comparison the lunar atmosphere has less than 1,000,000 molecules in the same volume.

    https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LADEE/news/lunar-atmosphere.html

     

    So, by NASA’s website the moon’s atmosphere is 10,000,000,000,000 times less than earth’s at sea level.

    Good to know.

    Get that t8, 10,000,000,000,000 times difference – not double!

    Dear me, what would that do to one of them pretty space suits?

    #844270
     t8 
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    By that reasoning, how much is the difference between sea level and a car tyre?

    Probably the same or even more?

    #844271
     t8 
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    I hope this is true. Then we can all put this to bed and move on to important things.

     

    Flat Earth Supporters Now Plan An Antarctica Expedition To The Edge Of The World

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     t8 
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    Think about it t8, they say that the atmosphere is so thin there that the molecules don’t even bump into each other that often! That’s why they explain that it can be so hot there and not burst things into flame!

    Think about it. Molecules are not going to be numerous and then just drop to zero. It would thin out perhaps uniformly toward zero and yes space would not strip off that much atmosphere because there is very little interaction going on between zero and almost zero.

    It reminds me of this spot a friend of mine showed me some years back. He took his boat along a river and parked it in the middle of nowhere. We said nothing and got out and walked toward a tributary tumbling down a forested hillside. We had to walk through a narrow chasm for some time and I was worried I would get stuck. As we headed upstream from there, the water was getting warmer till we came to a thermal waterfall. Then we came to another waterfall and it was warmer again. Then we reached a natural pool that was very warm.

    Obviously there was a thermal vent where this river crossed over. Near this vent which we didn’t reach, it would likely be boiling. And just beyond the mouth of the tributary there was very little difference in temperature between the main river and tributary. But in between there was an increase of temperature or a decrease depending on which direction you are traveling. Likewise the atmosphere is the same. At sea level it is 14.5 PSI or thereabouts. In space there is zero PSI. In between there is an increase or decrease depending on your direction. Just before space wherever that line is, there would be close to zero molecules behind that line and because of that, it would actually be hard to define that line exactly. Likewise, there is a line where the river and tributary met where the temperature is practically the same, but perhaps a fraction of a degree difference.

    I took some pics of the area. I could post them here if you were interested.

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     Dig4truth 
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    T8: By that reasoning, how much is the difference between sea level and a car tyre? Probably the same or even more?

     

    Between sea level (not sea curve) and a car tire would approximately be twice the pressure. But then you’re only going from 14.7 to 35 psi.

    Not the same with a vacuum. A vacuum is not just 0 psi. A vacuum is less than 0 psi. It’s kind of like temperature. The temperature doesn’t stop at 0 degrees. The temperature can go below 0 degrees.

    It is as if you are saying that travelers to Antartica don’t need any clothing that can protect them below 0 degrees. When in fact the temperature there goes WAY below 0!  If your clothing only protected you down to 0 degrees – you would die!

    The same is true of a vacuum. A vacuum can go below 0 psi, WAY below 0 psi. This may require some knowledge of negitive numbers which many people have a hard time wrapping their minds around. If you don’t think negitive numbers are real, have a look at my checkbook!

    So no, a comparison of a car tire at ground level and an object in the vacuum of space cannot be made with any legitimacy.

    Car tire/sea level = approx twice the psi difference

    lunar lander/vacuum of space = approx 10,000,000,000,000 the psi difference

    See the difference?

    You’ve seen the videos of what a tiny vacuum can do to things, have you not? Violent crushing or exploding with obviously more force than only twice the pressure differential. Things to think about!

     

     

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