Flat Earth?

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  • #843416
     t8 
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    Okay, I watched some of the video that had foolishly had the vacuum cleaner as the thumbnail.

    Off the top of my head so please forgive any blatant errors, but from what I saw, it was basically saying that the PSI between sea level and space is huge. Tons per square inch. My guess is the video then went on to state something along the lines of these spacecraft not being strong enough to withstand a vacuum. If this is correct, then here is a simple rebuttal for you to consider.

    Sea level is around 14 to 15 PSI and a car tyre is around 32 PSI. That is more than double right?

    So how come tyres do not explode? They do sometimes right? But obviously a tyre in good condition can contain that extra 18 PSI or so of pressure.

    Conclusion: A spacecraft needs to be about as strong as a car tyre to withstand a vacuum. That doesn’t seem that daunting to me.

    Yes, large vehicle tyres on earth need more PSI because of the weight of the vehicle and other factors. But how heavy is a vehicle in space compared to sea level and the air pressure is not trying to hold up a great weight anyway.

    Anyway, I digress a little. The point is my car tyres have air pressure of 32 PSI and the difference is more than the pressure from sea level to a vacuum and are obviously strong enough to handle it right?

    A spacecraft probably doesn’t need to be all that strong then IMO. My guess is more strength and shields are needed by going through the earth’s own atmosphere. If it can handle that, then space should be fine.

    #843428
     mikeboll64 
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    T8:  …my car tyres have air pressure of 32 PSI and the difference is more than the pressure from sea level to a vacuum

    NASA built the strongest vacuum chamber in the world.  The concrete and steel walls are 8 FEET thick, and had to have other airtight layers built into them during construction so the powerful vacuum wouldn’t suck air molecules right through the 8 feet of solid concrete.  And the amount of vacuum NASA is able to generate in this chamber is orders of magnitude LESS than the vacuum of space!  Getting the picture now?  Do you think they would have built the chamber with 8 feet thick solid steel and concrete walls if car tires would have done the trick?  The walls of the ISS would have to be steel and concrete thousands of feet thick to withstand the vastly greater pressure differential in space.

    Btw, Myth Busters did an episode where they lifted a 3000 pound car with a regular everyday shop vac you can buy at the hardware store.  It’s online if you want to see it.  So the vacuum cleaner on the front of the video wouldn’t have thrown you for a loop if you knew the things the guy who made the video knows.  But you are ignorant about these things – as we all were at one time.  Let’s do a little test, T8… Without looking it up, can you tell me the radius of the earth right now?  How about the circumference?  How about the moon’s linear speed and it’s angular speed?  How about the angular size of the sun?  Or the sun’s diameter?  Or it’s distance from the earth?  Or how fast the earth is rotating?  How fast is it orbiting the sun?  What does the sun orbit, if anything?  And how fast does it travel on that orbit?

    These are things that most flat earthers can rattle off at the top of their heads, while the vast majority of staunch ball proponents can’t answer even one of them.  I surely couldn’t answer even one of them until I started investigating the shape of the earth.  So instead of thinking yourself superior to the flat earther who made the video with the vacuum cleaner on the thumbnail, you should rather humble yourself to his far superior knowledge of these things, shut up, and listen intently.  Perhaps then YOU will know that of which you speak, instead of thinking the difference between sea level and space is the difference between sea level and a tire inflated to 32 psi.

    And if it’s too humbling for you to learn from flat earthers who, let’s face it, know far more about these things than you do due to their diligent research into them, then do your own research.  Look up the difference in pressure between sea level and outer space.  Do your own conversions between pascals and torrs and tons per square meter.  But if I were you and didn’t have a lot of time to invest, I’d just watch the 15 minute video and learn from someone who did invest the time and effort to study these matters.  It’d be sort of like reaping what you did not sow – like in the Bible.  🙂

    #843430
     mikeboll64 
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    Here’s a chart from Wiki…

    Note that “Extremely high vacuum” is still 5 orders of magnitude less than “Outer space”.  And extremely high vacuums like ones created on earth by NASA and CERN require concrete and steel walls at least 8 feet thick.  What does the ISS require, with a pressure differential 5 orders of magnitude greater than  “Extremely high vacuum”?  Hmm…

     

    #843452
     Dig4truth 
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    Why do the astro-nots test underwater rather than a vacuum? It is the exact opposite enviornment they will be working in. (pressure/vacuum).

    The only test that I’ve seen, and there was only one, was a big failure! The suit could not deal with the vacuum (weak as it was) and sprung a leak and the astronaut immediately passed out and fell over backwards. He later said that he could feel the saliva on his tongue bubble.

    Any answers?

    #843457
     t8 
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    My guess is testing underwater simulates floating in zero gravity. Also, I imagine it prepares astronauts for existing in an environment that is life threatening and alien. I’m not sure pressure has anything to do with it.

    #843458
     mikeboll64 
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    My guess is that the underwater exact replica of the ISS is where they actually film the spacewalks.  Of course mine is supported by official NASA footage showing bubbles in space and even a guy wearing a scuba tank. 😁

    #843467
     Dig4truth 
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    Here’s about ten or more bubbles in “space” in about a minute!

     

     

     

    #843473
     mikeboll64 
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    Of course the official NASA explanation is that they are flakes of paint or debris that fell off the ISS during the space walk.  So once again, here’s where discernment comes in.  If the ISS is traveling 17,500 mph through the vacuum of space, an astronaut can step outside for a space walk without even ruffling his sleeve – since there is no atmosphere.  And he can fly around the earth keeping perfect pace with the ISS forever if he wants to.  So a flake of paint CAN’T “fall off” the ISS in the first place, since even if it became unattached from the ISS, it would still just float right along with it in the same position it has always been.  But if something else KNOCKED the flake of paint off, it would take off on one particular trajectory – which it would remain on until something else acted upon it and changed that trajectory.

    So in the video D4T showed, it’s not just that the flakes of paint (actually air bubbles) are moving freely about when nothing knocked them off the ISS… they’re also zigging and zagging all over the place without coming into contact with anything else.  That is absolutely impossible!  A paint flake in space cannot head upwards, then take a hard right, then do a u-turn, etc.

    This video does a great job of pointing this out…

    #843474
     mikeboll64 
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    Here’s one of the scuba divers in space…

    Here’s another.  Look inside the hatch at the 1:58 mark to see the scuba tank as clear as day.  Then watch a few seconds and see a very clear bubble rising up through the entire screen…

    There are many other videos as well.  Just search YouTube for “scuba divers in space” or “bubbles in space”.

    #843475
     mikeboll64 
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    T8, if it takes 8 feet thick concrete walls to contain a fairly powerful vacuum on earth, how thick would the walls of the ISS have to be to keep out the MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more powerful vacuum of outer space?

    #843549
     mikeboll64 
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    I’m very satisfied with this one.  Only 5 minutes…  https://youtu.be/_ahqgVESZVA

    #843564
     t8 
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    The Sun is 109 times the diameter of Earth & 150 million km away

    Thus your diagram is not accurate. You need to show the sun as much bigger.

    Of course from our perspective the sun and moon look the same size, but a sun that is 109 times bigger and 150 million km away may not match the angles you have used in your video below:

    #843566
     mikeboll64 
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    What we can verify through observational science is that the sun and the moon are the same angular size.  You are claiming facts not in evidence, as nobody has measured the sun, or knows what it is, or how far away it is.

    That being said, feel free to make the sun in my diagrams as large as you want. Just remember to center it on the earth. And remember that my yellow and red lines must both run directly through the CENTER of your huge sun for the model to work.

    Can you make that work?

    #843592
     Ed J 
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    Hi Mike,

    If at the south poll they were to have days with no darkness
    during the peak in summer, like the North Poll,
    would that not be game over or no?

    How long is it daylight in NZ during the peak of summer?
    In the US it stays daylight for over 9 hours.
    How long is the longest day in NZ?

    How can you have longer summers in NZ on the flat Earth model?

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #843593
     Ed J 
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    Fake moon-landings and fake space-station don’t necessarily mean flat Earth.

    #843606
     mikeboll64 
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    Ed:  If at the south poll they were to have days with no darkness
    during the peak in summer, like the North Poll,
    would that not be game over or no?

    Not necessarily.   Do you have evidence of a 24 hour sun at the South Pole?  Read paragraphs 49-58 (each one takes less than 30 seconds)… http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html

    Then try this 2 minute video…

    Ed:  Fake moon-landings and fake space-station don’t necessarily mean flat Earth.

    Agreed.  But why fake space if it was real?  Besides, there are now thousands of photos online showing objects much farther away than could be seen on a ball earth.  Lighthouses, mountains, city skylines… all of which would be hundreds to thousands of feet behind the curve if we lived on a ball.  I’m in the process of making a video right now that centers around the Joshua Nowicki Chicago skyline photo.  To me, it is the line in the sand – and the one single thing that finally pushed me clearly over to the flat earth side.  Since then I’ve discovered hundreds of other things, but this one was powerful for me.  Hopefully you’ll watch the video when I’m done.  I’ll link it here.

     

    #843609
     Ed J 
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    Hi Mike,

    Thank you for addressing my points 1 and 2 of my “3” points:

    1. Fake moon-landings and fake space-station.

    A Why might they not be able to go to moon?
    Van Allen belt, lack of lethal radiation protection,
    and protection from the non-pressures of a vacuum.

    Why would they fake moon-landings?

    A. One reason is: to make the Soviets believe
    that war against the west would not end well for them.

    Why would they fake space-station?

    B. Keep the money chain going, a space-station hoax
    could easily accomplish this. Preventing a NASA shut-down.

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    Ed J

    #843610
     Ed J 
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    Hi Mike,

    Point #2:
    Ok, fair enough…

    A 24 hour sun at the south poll could be a hoax

    #843611
     Ed J 
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    Hi Mike,

    In a flat Earth model you cannot have a 24 hour sun at the south poll. <– we both agree here

    That brings us to point #3:
    This is where you personally can come in.
    You live in NZ, and can make Scientific Observations.

    How can you have longer summer daylight hours on a flat-earth model?

    It would seem to me on a flat earth, in the southern hemisphere,
    (please excuse the expression) the nights would be longer in both seasons.

    How is this explained?

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    Your Brother
    in Christ
    Ed J

    #843617
     t8 
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    Ed J,

    Do you believe the moon landing is a hoax?

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