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You don’t believe that the Spirit of God was leading Jesus before the Jordan? Then what spirit was leading Jesus before the Jordan?
Correct. Nick believes and teaches that Jesus was not the Christ for most of his life despite scripture declaring that he was born the messiah.
Hi LU,
Yes God made him both Lord and Christ, the anointed one of God.
For some reason T8 fiercely denies the anointing at the Jordan.
Hi LU,
Yes in the desert the people of God drank from the rock of the anointing Holy Spirit.
Come to me and drink the vessel Jesus said of the Spirit .
Hi LU,
You quote Rev 19.10 but you do not believe it?
“Then I fell at his feet to worship him.
But he said to me
’Do not do that ; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus.
Worship God.”
Hi LU,
The Father is in Jesus.
Before Abraham I am.
Surely you hear the Father speaking through His Son?
LU….Nick is right, had you truly understood that the Father who is GOD, WHO IS SPIRIT, WAS “IN” Jesus, then you would not be commiting IDOLATRY, YOU HAVE MADE ANOTHER GOD.
BUT MY BIBLE SAYS, “THOU SHALL HAVE “NO” OTHER GOD BESIDES ME”. “NOR” SHALL YOU MAKE ANY “IMAGE” OF ME IN HEAVEN ABOVE OR EARTH BENEATH”.
Seems your bible doesn’t say that right?My bible says, “thou art the “ONLY” TRUE GOD”.
My bible says, “but unto us (true believers that is ), there is “One GOD”, and “ONE” MEDERATOR, between that one GOD, and man, the (MAN) JESUS.
MY bible says, Jesus quoted, “HEAR O ISREAL THE LORD “OUR” (his and ours) GOD IS “ONE” LORD.” YEHWEH.
My bible say , that we are to bow our nee and honor Jesus, “to the Glory of GOD”, WHICH YOU CONVENIENTLY LEFT OF YOU QUOTE.
MY bible says, JESUS would be a human prophet like Moses was, and would come forth from a decedent of Isreal.
My bible says, Jesus would come from the loins of king David, through the flesh, Acts 2:30
My bible says, GOD “ALONE” AND BY “HIMSELF” created the world and everything in it. Isa 44:24
My bible says, if you don’t Jesus came in the “flesh” you are a antichrist.
My bible says the “word” wich is spirit, came to be in the flesh, man Jesus, and that took place at his baptizm, as scripture clearly shows.
My bible says, that there is a man, that the fallen churches have set up, and worship as a God, wonder who that could be, may be its THE MAN JESUS WHO (fallen Christanity) WORSHIPS AS A GOD, TURNNING OUR “IMAGE” OF THE MAN JESUS, INTO A “MAN OF SIN.” 2Ths 2
On and on it goes, i could list hundreds of scriptures that show you that Jesus WASEN’T NOR IS A GOD, NO, NOT NOW OR EVER WILL BE, BECAUSE THERE WILL ALWAY BE JUST “ONE” GOD, AND ONE MEDERATOR BETWEEN THAT ONE GOD AND MAN, THE “MAN” JESUS.
The false GOD the fallen churches have set up , Jesus will by his own mouth abolish at his return, 2 Ths 2.
Jodi Nick, and I, has spent hours of time explaining this to you, over and over, if you can’t see it by now, it simply is not meant for you to see the truth yet. Can’t say we did not try. You have three witiness, that have testified to you LU.
The only good these things do is it sharpens us up, for later use,
“for I saw the lord decend from mount paron, with ten thousands of his Saint’s to execute judgement in the earth, and to convence the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly commited”.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi t8,
Luke 2:40 and the child grew and was strengthened in spirit, being filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him.
Matthew 3:16 And having been baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water, and lo, opened to him were the heavens, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him,
Luke 4: 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Jesus did not go out unto the world and preach the gospel to the poor, heal the sick, have control over the wind, be able to walk on water, change water into wine, feed thousands with 5 loaves of bread, and be able to raise the dead, until after the Spirit anointed him at the river.
t8 I would say that something significant occurred to the man born of the seed of David at the river.
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Let’s reason here t8, was it a baby that was a savior? Did a baby save us from our sins? NO, of course not, the baby would BECOME a savior after becoming a perfected man and dying for our sins on the cross. Likewise, the baby Jesus was not yet the Christ, just like he was not yet the savior, or had not yet done great things to yet be called great by the people.
Do not deny the word of God, HE SHALL BE GREAT, He SHALL BE CALLED the SON of the Highest.
Why does it SAY he SHALL BE? Because according to what was spoken in times past the Son would be MADE on a CERTAIN DAY.
Do not deny the word of God, Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this DAY have I begotten thee? And again, I WILL BE to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Jesus was begotten of the Spirit twice, first at the river being the ONLY man to have ever been given the spirit without measure, and thus become the ONLY man without sin, and thus was the ONLY man that could go to the cross and be our savior. Second when Jesus was dead, the Spirit brought him not only back to life but made him into an immortal man. What Jesus did and what he earned, to be the firstborn of the dead of many brothers, and then be APPOINTED a master over all of creation, was promised by the Father before the Father made the universe. Everything I just said was the WORD of God spoken before time began, and then when time began it was spoken to the fathers, to the prophets, and THEN this WORD of the Father, became flesh in the man of the seed of David, and our heavenly Father PURIFIED that flesh through His Spirit, and then that flesh was brought as a sacrifice for our sins, and then that flesh did not see decay but was raised to eternal life.
Romans 1: 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Jesus tells us that God is not the God of the dead but of the living, and that His children are the children of the RESURRECTION (Luke 20:36, 38). Jesus was the only man begotten by the Father’s Spirit without measure (John 3:34), Jesus was the only man that was a lamb without spot or blemish (1 Peter 1:19), those that are begotten by God’s seed (Holy Spirit) are righteous and are called the children of God (1 John 3), The Father offered up His ONLY begotten Son (John 3:16), the Son who was perfected and learned obedience by that which he suffered (Hebrews 5:8-9). God offered up a perfected man of which He made, he did not offer up a pre-existing son that came down to earth and posed as a human.
Ephesians 4:13 till we may all come to the unity of the faith and of the recognition of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to a measure of stature of the fulness of the Christ,
Hebrews 1: 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Believe the word of God, we are to recognize the Son of God as a PERFECT MAN, and this PERFECT man is the FULNESS of the Christ. The baby Jesus was not YET of the fulness of the Christ, because he had not yet been anointed by God’s Spirit, which occurred 2 times, once at the river, and AGAIN to the resurrection from the dead. Jesus was a son of God as Adam was a son of God (Luke 3:38), he was the son of God as a child of Israel (Hosea 1:10), he became a Son of God at the river, being begotten by the Spirit that kept him holy, he became a Son of God when he was begotten by the Spirit becoming the firstborn of the dead.
2 Samuel 7: 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son.
Luke 2:20 And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.
The sheperds KNEW of God’s PROMISE to bring a savior from among their brethren of the seed of David, they gave glory and praise to God because they believed that the BABY Jesus would BECOME their Messiah and thus their savior.
Do not deny the word of God, ‘God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.” (Acts 2:36)
The BABY was not a master when he was born, he was BECAME a master over all of creation by what he accomplished as a MAN of the seed of David through being begotten by the Spirit. Likewise, the baby was not Christ our SAVIOR, he was MADE one through God’s Spirit.
Hi everyone have a few scripture for us all. Ps.2:7 I declare concerning a statute: Jehovah said unto me,
My Son Thou [art], I to-day have brought thee forth. John 8:58. <sup class="versenum"> </sup>Jesus said to them,Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham’s coming — I am;’. Col.1:15-19who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation,because in him were all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created,and himself is before all, and the all things in him have consisted.And himself is the head of the body — the assembly — who is a beginning, a first-born out of the dead, that he might become in all [things] — himself — first, because in him it did please all the fulness to tabernacle.. Was Jesusanointed,was He being led by the Spirit of His Father Luke2:46-5046 And it came to pass, after three days, they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both hearing them and questioning them,
47 and all those hearing him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
48 And, having seen him, they were amazed, and his mother said unto him, `Child, why didst thou thus to us? lo, thy father and I, sorrowing, were seeking thee.’
49 And he said unto them, `Why [is it] that ye were seeking me? did ye not know that in the things of my Father it behoveth me to be?’
50 and they did not understand the saying that he spake to them, a yes or no be fine. God bless. Thanks
Hi Anthony,
John 8.12
Then Jesus spoke to them
’I am the light of the world; he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life’
Compare Jn 1.4
‘In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it’
So from John 1 we know that the light of life is IN Jesus Christ.
So it is the Spirit of life, the Light, that was speaking through Jesus in Jn 8.
Those who follow him will have this light, the Spirit, to guide them while they walk in the dark world.
Rom 8.2
“For the law of THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS has set you free from the law of sin and death.”
Jn 8.42 The Spirit of life continues
’..If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceedeth forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on my own initiative, but He has sent me.Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear my word.’
The light shines in the darkness but those yet in the domain of darkness cannot receive the seed of the word.
Hi Nick God bless
What about this one too. You must You of over look it.
Was Jesusanointed,was He being led by the Spirit of His Father Luke2:46-50
46 And it came to pass, after three days, they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both hearing them and questioning them,
47 and all those hearing him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
48 And, having seen him, they were amazed, and his mother said unto him, `Child, why didst thou thus to us? lo, thy father and I, sorrowing, were seeking thee.’
49 And he said unto them, `Why [is it] that ye were seeking me? did ye not know that in the things of my Father it behoveth me to be?’
50 and they did not understand the saying that he spake to them, a yes or no be fine. God bless.
Hi Mike,
About false prophets.
1 Jn 4.4
You are from God, little children, and you have overcome them;
because greater is He Who is in you than he who is in the world
They are from the world, therefore they speak as from the world, and the world listens to them.
We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us.
By this we know the Spirit of truth from the spirit of error.
Check the focus.
LU, and Anthony, what we are telling you is the truth, repent of those false teachings fostered by, fallen christainty, for the last 1800 years or so, actually even at the time of the apostles Paul and John, those false teachings of the Gnostic’s existed who preached Jesus as a desguised GOD, the apostles held it back the best they could, but after their deaths, these false Gnostic teaching completely infected the whole church, causing it to apostate itself. 2Ths2, You both have a chance to come out of it, to the true light of the spirit of truth. Which we are preaching to you both.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Hi Nick what about this one. 1:15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.‘ “
John the Baptist was six months older than Jesus Christ. So it is physically impossible for Christ to be before him in age. If this verse is referencing age, then it shows preexistence. Jesus existed before John the Baptist in the least. God bless Nick
Hi Anthony,
Lk 2.47
All who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers.
God was his Father and he knew it.
Why would you expect his Father to ignore him?
Would not a true Father feed his child and encourage him to walk in the light of the Law?
Eph 3.14
For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and earth derives it’s name..
But the Spirit filled him at the Jordan and led him from within.
T8….Your still stuck i see brother. Go back a read carefully what Jodi has written, and this time think about it please.
Nick, Jodi, and I are in agreement on this T8, WE TELL YOU AS WE HAVE BEFORE, IF YOU DON’T SEE JESUS, AS A REAL HUMAN BEING, “EXACTLY” LIKE WE ARE, YOU SIMPLY DO NOT SEE THE REAL JESUS.
Rememver what Jesus said, “MANY” would come in my name saying I am, and DECIEVE MANY. You have chosen the wide path that leads to destruction, BUT straight is the way and “NARROW” is the gate, that leads to life, and “FEW” therebe that find it.
COME ON T8, TIME IS SHORT BROTHER.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Anthony,
Look beyond the flesh.
The Spirit of Christ is from eternity.
In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was God.
Nick it says He was before John.
Was He anointed at this time when He was at the age of 12. Yes or no
Give me a straight answer yes or no Nick God bless.
Nick.Jesus has the same Spirit as the Father the Spirit flow through Him as it does us from time to time. The Spirit is the power and energy and working part of God the Father.
Hi Anthony,
Jesus was born with a human spirit like ours.
At the Jordan he was reborn from above.
He was baptised in the Holy Spirit.
Hi Gene , God bless.
I just can’t get over that you don’t believe that Jesus pre-existed with the Father I’m not saying He had a fleshly body, it was like we will have after the resurrection, and Ad before the fall. Jesus came out from the Father to earth He lad that all down for us. When He was resurrected He went back to the Father. He had a I’m mortality again like He had with the Father before the foundation of the world. We will have immortality when we are resurrected.well I’m listen to you Geneihopeyouare listen to me too.God bless.
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