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Hi Anthony,
The ORIGINAL SIN teaching is not from scripture but from the minds of deluded men.
Eve followed a stranger’s voice and disobeyed God and Adam chose loyalty to her rather than God.
It was idolatry and mankind lost the intimate relationship with the Father and served the god of this world.
But Jesus was truly the son of Adam(man) and the Son of David via his conception in the womb of Mary.
Hi Anthony,
Christ means anointed.
He was not anointed till the Spirit came on him at the Jordan.
All references to the Christ before that event are prophetic or refer to the Spirit of Christ.
Hi Gene God bless thanks for the feed back. Gene I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ did pre-existed with Father God, He didnt have a fleshly body He was inmortal. Like we will have after the resurrection.
He laid that all down when He came out of the Father. I don’t believe that Jesus was God. I don’t belive in the Trinity. I believe Jesus is lower then the Father. He came in the Father name. Like angles have. The same Spirit the Father has is his to. , Gene He wasn’t created. nor a angle. The Genealogy of Matt. and Luke it’s Josephs did you read the scripture on what i wrote? Check it out. Show me He didn’t pre-existed with the Father. He paid the price in the flesh. That doesn’t mean that it was Mary sperm with Father God. He did it all. If it was Mary sperm with the Father’s. Adam would be His Father, if He didn’t pre-exist with the Father. How was everything created through the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ. Gene give me Scripture proofing that He didn’t pre-existed with the Father. God bless Gene, if I’m in the blind about this give me sight. In Him Anthony. Again Thanks.
Hi Anthony,
The Spirit in Christ is from eternity.
Jesus is from Bethlehem and conceived in his mother.
The references you quote relate to the Spirit of anointing on him.
Flesh contributes nothing.
Hi Nike. God bless. You said : The ORIGINAL SIN teaching is not from scripture but from the minds of deluded men. I don’t know alot about that teaching . I do know that we are all born in sin
I think you know that. That’s why Christ came in the flesh. to reconcile mankind. 1.the creation of man 2.the fall of man. 3. The redemptions of man. He doing this through out ages. As Jodi was saying the olams in the new testament a aions. They alway have a beginning and a end. The last ages will have no end.When Jesus turns the kingdom over to His Father. Death will be know more. Well any ways. God bless.show me that we wasn’t born in sin because of Adam. Again God bless In Him Anthony. Show me that that I’m wrong about the Genealogy of Christ.
K bye.
Hi Anthony,
Jesus was alike to us in all ways-except sin.
James explains how lusts in us conceive and give birth to sin.
Jesus was tempted in every way that men are, but by the grace of God, resisted and won.
Now he has condemned sin in the flesh and given those in him the power to become overcomers too.
Hi Nick,
I asked you this:
Who was Jesus’ spiritual Father before God became his spiritual Father at the Jordan?
You said:
God was his father.
Your answer seems to be saying that God was Jesus’ spiritual Father from conception in Mary, correct?
Hi Anthony,
Romans 3 explains that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Jesus said all must repent or they will perish. He preached forgiveness of sins for those who are reborn in him.
You must be reborn of water and the Spirit,
Baptism IN HIS NAME is followed by baptism in the Spirit as Peter taught at Pentecost.
Only then by the help of the Spirit you can begin to see the kingdom.
We must decrease and the Lord must rule in us.
Hi LU,
The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God. Rom 8
Jesus was a son of God, according to the flesh, from his conception and God parented him.
He became a son of God, according to the Spirit, at the Jordan and he was led from that moment as Lk 4 .1 confirms.
Hi LU,
God is the Father of spirits.
He is the Father of the Word which proceeded forth and came from God.
But the Word was never a separate being.
Anthony….”since sin intered into the world by man, it was by the “man” (Jesus the christ), that the sins were paid for.
No other way could it have worked Anthony, you must come to see Jesus as one of us humans, “for unto “us” (human kind) a child has been born, and unto (human kind) a son has been given. UNTO (US) MANKIND, A MAN CHILD FROM GOD THROUGH THE LOINS OF KING DAVID HAS BEEN (BORN).
The word born there means through a berth process, not a “morphing process” , Mary was the mother of a “human” child, that never before was alive until his berth took place, Jesus is one of us humans and is the firstborn from mankind to be raised from the dead and be given eternal life, yes the “first of “MANY” BROTHERS, COULD THAT BE SAID IF HE WERE A CREATURE MORPHED INTO A HUMAN BODY? If that were the case he could not be our brother unless he were, exactly like us in every way.Anthony think hard on these thing we are telling you it is the truth, and can deliever you from the bondage of false so called “Christianity”.
Do you see that Anthony, it had to be a “man” who had to pay for our sins, that “man” is our lord (adoni, a human ruler) Jesus the christ. Or anointed “human” one of God.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Yes Gene I see that.
1.did He pre-exist with the Father? 2.Is it because Adam fell that we was born in sin?
God bless Gene.
Hi Anthony,
Please consider what is written in regards to Zorobabel, OT Zerubbabel, as what is written shows that the curse to Jechonias was removed. Jechonias DID REPENT, and Zerubbabel’s father was conceived when Jechonias was exiled. He then was brought out of exile and prospered.
Matthew 1:12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
Haggai 2:20 And again the word of the LORD came unto Haggai in the four and twentieth day of the month, saying, 21 Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I will shake the heavens and the earth; 22 And I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen; and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them; and the horses and their riders shall come down, every one by the sword of his brother. 23 In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, will I take thee, O Zerubbabel, my servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith the LORD, and will make thee as a signet: for I have chosen thee, saith the LORD of hosts.
Zachariah 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. 7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it. 8 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.
Anthony, we see in scripture many times that the LORD casts a punishment, but then He brings MERCY to the repentant and restores them.
Jechonias went on to have children, he came out of exile and sat at the kings table, he did in fact end up prospering. His grandson likewise prospered and was a ruler in Judah. He likewise was chosen by the LORD where the LORD made him a signet. All these things prove absolutely that the LORD had mercy and removed the curse.
Hi Anthony,
No man preexisted. But the PROPHETIC WORD does present problems for those reliant on logic.
Preexistence is a theory developed by those who cannot hear the voice of the Spirit in human vessels.
Hi Nick.
John 6:38-40
For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.The first verse suggests that Jesus came down from Heaven. This seems to contradict that belief which suggests he first existed as a man when he was born into this world. For if Jesus came into existence for the first time when he was conceived through Mary, how could he come down from Heaven? We (Man) came into existence when we are born into this world, but would it be correct to say that we came down from Heaven too? If a verse said that we came down from Heaven, would you think that we pre-existed in Heaven? If so, then why not Jesus?
John 3:17 is another verse that provides support that Jesus came down from Heaven or was sent rather than created.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
The word ‘send’ is the Greek word ‘apostello’.
apostello {ap-os-tel’-lo}
1) to order (one) to go to a place appointed
2) to send away, dismiss
2a) to allow one to depart, that he may be in a state of liberty
2b) to order one to depart, send off
2c) to drive away I need scriptures NickGod bless In Him Anhony
Hi Jodi I haven’t finished all the post you wrote , I’m dealing with a 120 pages, now there 3 more. Let me know what I should read k. God bless, In Him Anthony. Give me a list please k.
Hi Anthony,
Yes the Spirit speaking through Jesus came down from heaven.
Don’t confuse the vessel with the contents.
Hi Nick I’m not saying that Jesus pre-existed with a fleshly body . He had a inmortal body ,like we will after the resurrection. I don’t believe that man has immortality till the resurrection. Can you answer my two questions . Please with Scripture’s. Thanks Nick God bless. If I’m blinded by this give me sight. In Him Anthony.
Hi Anthony,
Almst everything the anointed man Jesus said came from the Spirit in him.
He did say for himself
’ I thirst’
God gave him the works to say.
God was in him reconciling the world to Himself 2 Cor 5.19
He whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God. Jn 3.34
2 tim 2.20
But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour and some to dishonour. If a man, Therefore, purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.
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