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Hi Anthony,
You say he was not a real man? Scripture disagrees.
You say he was not really conceived? Scripture disagrees.
He was a man, born of a woman(jb 25)and born under the law(Gal).
He never once sinned but he was tempted in every way we are. He overcame.(rev3)
Theologians have added much.
Hi Anthony,
Surrogate mother and not his real mother?
No he was conceived in Mary.
Her womb was blessed.
And the same word is used as for the conception of John the Baptist.
Hi Anthony,
Do you see where this false teaching came from?
Men read scripture without the help of the Spirit using human logic.
They failed to hear the Spirit in the mouth of Jesus and applied everything he said to himself.
Hi Anthony,
So the theory about a preexistent man who lived in heaven before he came to earth became the teaching.
This man became a person in his God and so did the Spirit of God.
Folly upon folly because they missed the message.
Hi Anthony,
Let’s review more of that passage,
Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. 3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. 4 And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.
Ephratah another name for Bethlehem
owlam (tranlated as everlasting) another word that actual stands for OLD.
everlasting -transliterated word owlam
long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world
ancient time, long time (of past)There are a few problems trying to make this into a pre-existing son Anthony. Basically you are trying to prove pre-existence by ignoring the surrounding context, and take ONE word that DOES in fact not solely mean everlasting, but old, ancient, long duration..ect. When you combine this verse with many other scriptures and the passage itself and how it repeatedly proves it is speaking of a man, it becomes obvious that old, ancient, long duration, is the intended meaning to the word owlam.
Though he be little among thousands OF JUDAH, so we are speaking of a MAN here of the tribe of Judah, not a pre-existing son.
OUT of Bethlehem he comes forth, “he” as in the one that is little among thousands of Judah, not out of Bethlehem a pre-existing son came forth. STAY in CONTEXT of what the scripture is speaking PLEASE!!
“He” is to be a ruler of Jerusalem. Who is to be a ruler of Jerusalem? …in context that would be someone from Bethlehem that was of the tribe of Judah.
Hebrews 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
STAY IN CONTEXT, the “he” here, that is before all things, and by him all things consist, is that of the new man the appointed king of the heavenly Jerusalem where the new heaven and earth exists, the one that was in the Father existing in a promise before He made the universe when He promised eternal life, and then promised to all the prophets a savior from among them of the seed of David who would bring immortality to humans. Of which would be the MAN that died on the cross for you.
This MAN of the tribe of Judah was spoken of long ago, to Abraham and Moses, about his going forth. The remnant of his BRETHREN, he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD ( Holy Spirit), and they shall abide, For NOW shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. Jesus will be great for now having been anointed with the strength of the LORD, he is able to deny his weak flesh, and be the lamb without spot or blemish, in order to be a sacrifice for our sins.
John 7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
There is NO scripture that says a son of God morphed into a man, and was called a son of God because he pre-existed as a son. This would have been easy to state in numerous places, but it is not given anywhere. What is always shown when keeping to the context of such scriptures, that people twist into an antichrist, is the deliberate reference to a MAN, of which Anthony you seem to clearly deny.
Unbelievable true blindness, is all I can say at this point, with the attempt to try and make Micah speaking about a pre-existing son when he is directly talking about a MAN of the tribe of Judah.
What scripture DOES IN FACT tell us from times of old given to the prophets, is that the Son of God was a promise TO COME and he would be of the seed of David, and he would set up an eternal kingdom. This kingdom is a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, where NEW men with eternal life dwell. The firstborn of the dead, their king and master that was appointed, because as a MAN anointed with the Father’s Spirit without measure followed the will of God and thus was able to redeem us, has been appointed head over all of this creation.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord….I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.
You can’t change the person who was sent, the person sent is a man and he was sent because he had been anointed with the Spirit, which made him able to preach the gospel, to heal, to free, to preach the kingdom of God, the kingdom of eternal life.
As Micah says, because of this in what we are told in Luke 4, Jesus is known to be great. Jesus accomplished what God sent him to do through having God’s strength, and by this Jesus caused people to abide in God.
Hi Anthony,
Yes it is the anointing on a man, made clean by perfect observance of the Law, that transformed him into such an amazing servant of God. And his brothers were cleansed by the Word he spoke (Jn 15) and followed him into the same anointing and the works of God continued on earth.
It is all the work of God by His Spirit in vessels cleansed for the purposes of God.
Hi Anthony,
Once God has been changed to a trinity then the question of any need for anointing of a godman arises.
Either they claim he is born anointed and deny the Jordan or it is denied altogether.
Of course, if he is not of our stock following him becomes impossible.
Such is the folly that arises out of carnal minds.
Anthony,
Let’s look at John 16 a little closer, and also realize that translators added in punctuation
16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
Jesus is saying that they shall not see him because soon he will be DEAD in a TOMB, and he also says they will see him again soon because he will have been raised from the dead.
We are told specifically how Jesus CAME FROM the Father, and it was by being given as a MAN the Father’s seed, which is what causes a person to be righteous.
1 John 3
7 Little children, let no one lead you astray; he who is doing the righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous, 8 he who is doing the sin, of the devil he is, because from the beginning the devil doth sin; for this was the Son of God manifested, that he may break up the works of the devil;
9 every one who hath been begotten of God, sin he doth not, because his seed in him doth remain, and he is not able to sin, because of God he hath been begotten.
10 In this manifest are the children of God
23 and this is His command, that we may believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and may love one another, even as He did give command to us.
seed –“of divine energy of the Holy Spirit operating within the soul by which we are regenerated”
NOW in PROPER context, from verse 16 and 1 John 3, which one has the truthful punctuation?
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
or
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world again, I leave the world and go to the Father.
Jesus came forth from the Father being given the Holy Spirit at the river, of which he was then sent out unto the world to preach the kingdom of God, and to bring people into the faith of the One True God the Father, and to remain as a lamb without blemish or spot, and not be deserving of the punishment of a sinner which is death. He then being raised from the dead came into the world again!! Then he went to the Father.
Prior you used ONE WORD denying the meaning of that word given the context of the rest of the passage as well as what other scriptures directly say. Now you have used a PUNCTUATION MARK that does not line up with verse 16 as well as many other scriptures, to teach what I would define as antichrist.
LU,
I did indeed answer your question about Jesus and whose son he was before he was the Son of God. It’s on page 119. I asked you to go through the scriptures that mention the Son of God, and see that they all relate to after his baptism. Also a huge point is that scripture says that the Father would beget the Son on a CERTAIN DAY and it would occur on earth to the seed of David. I hope you will go back and read through that post before you respond.
I will reply to the second question tomorrow.
Hi LU,
Yes the law could only be as a lamp to the feet of Jesus,
food for his soul and a doorway to God’s grace
but the Spirit of Holiness is what sanctifies.
Jesus proved obedience to the law was possible.
Then God took over doing His works through him.
Hi Jodi,
I am not asking you who is Jesus spiritual Father after his baptism. I am asking you who is his spiritual Father before baptism, if it wasn’t God. You seem to be saying that God was only Jesus’ spiritual Father after baptism and not before because you say that Jesus was only the Son of God after his baptism, not before. Please tell me who’s spiritual son was he before he got baptized at the Jordan and became the spiritual son of God.
Hi,
Jn 16.5f
But now I go my way to Him Who sent me, and none of you asketh me’Whither goest thou’
But because I have said these things to you sorrow hath filled your heart.
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away,
for if I do not go away the Comforter will not come unto you. But if I depart I will send Him to you.
And when he is come He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement.
Of sin because they believe not on me.
Of righteousness because I go to my Father and you see me no more.
Of judgement because the prince of this world is judged.
By the plan of God the church, the body of Christ, headed by Jesus and united by the Spirit of Christ
would not be formed till he returned to the Father, and then his Spirit shared among his brothers.
Then they would grow to see as he sees and to discern things that he knew-by the Spirit.
Nick,
You said that God was Jesus’ physical father. How can God be a physical father if He is Spirit? I ask you the same question as I ask Jodi. It really only requires a one word answer.
Who was Jesus’ spiritual Father before God became his spiritual Father at the Jordan?
Hi LU,
By grace we are saved.
The real Father of Jesus trained him.
He was graced with wisdom and led to love the scriptures.
By the age of 12 he already knew his Father and what God was leading him towards.
Hi LU,
God was his father.
’The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee; Therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the son of God’ Lk 1.35
’..she was found to be with child of the Holy Ghost’ Mt 1.18
’That which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost’ Mt 1.20
Hi LU,
Is anything difficult for the Spirit of creation?
Thou sendeth forth thy Spirit, they are created, and thou renewest the face of the earth Ps 104
Hi,Jodi and Nick, God bless. Thanks for your feed back. There’s a lot their, I’ll have to get back to you, I’ll have to read it a few times, look at some scripture that Jodi want me to look at innote both genealogies are those of Joseph. John 1:2-14, also 1:18 “in the bosom. It was not Mary’s physical ovum that was engendered that caused Christ to become “flesh” (else Christ would have inherited Adam’s “sin” as shown by the apostle Paul in Romans 5
This procedure shows that Christ was not descended from Adam and Eve he came directly by special engenderment from the Father in heaven. Christ was another Adam—the second or last Adam that the apostle Paul talked about in First Corinthians 15. And though Christ was “made flesh” (a human as we are), he was not descended from our earthly father, Adam.
Matthew was only a legal genealogy in the first place (simply because Jechonias of verses 11 and 12 died childless and was cursed from having any children to sit on the throne of David see Jeremiah 22:24-30 and Jeremiah 36:30
Mary is portrayed in the New Testament as having a Levitical blood line (even that from Aaron) because Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist (who was clearly a priest) was a kinsperson to Mary (Luke 1:36) well again thanks. God bless.
Anthony.. then as you believe Jesus did not overcome sin, so he did not tell us we must overcome, just as he did, in order for us to sit in his kingdom, even as he had overcome and takes his seat, in his Fathers kingdom.
We know scriptures say God can not be tempted with sin, but scripture say Jesus was tempted in all manor of sin, as we are. Seems you have another delima, if you say Jesus was God, then he could not have been tempted with sin, right?, but scriptures says he was tempted.
After he recieved the holy spirit from the Father, he overcame all sin, and his testing in the wilderness proved it, and “then” was he sent out into the world to preach the gosple of the kingdom of God.
Anthony, you must come to see Jesus as a fellow human being, or you haven’t even begun to understand the truth. Listen to what Nick, and Jodi are telling you, think about it, it is the truth.
Come out of the decepton which has corrupted christanity, or else recieve of her plegues, which is a deluding spirit sent from God which blinds the eyes of those who have recieved it.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Anthony. …Can’t you see what has happened to Mike, we have for years explained the truth about Jesus, and he simply rejected it and now he is preaching a FLAT EARTH, which only proves he never had the Spirit of truth in him in the first place. Had he had it he would understand what we are saying, and also that the world is not flat also. But as it says “the blind shall lead the blind and the both shall fall into a ditch.”
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
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