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Hi LU,
He came and worked in the name of his Father but he was not his own Father.
God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.2 Cor 5
THE LORD GOD WILL RAISE UP A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN Acts 3.22
He was made both Lord and Christ. Acts 2.36.
He is Lord, but not God.
Lightenup the history is not good, and we even have the Pope admitting to it now, that those not following the creeds from the RCC were murdered in the millions. Below I have some quotes, but I will posts some more information.
What is interesting is that we see persecution by Christ’s TRUE followers at the time of his death and resurrection, by the Roman emperors. Then we have an emperor later, Constantine, who decides to unite people by creating one religion, and he uses pagans, so called “converted” pagans, to do it. Why did he want people united?.. for military conquest, to keep his own empire strong! At the time of the first creed there was dispute over the identify of Jesus, was he a man or was he a god who became a man, the later was a popular pagan belief where men were also gods from heaven.
How perfect it would be to convert pagans into Christians if Jesus was changed into a familiar god!!!
Constantine himself said he was a god, so Jesus being a god too worked well for him! Those that said Jesus was just a man were persecuted. The creed was established to say that Jesus was a god, and more creeds came, ones as I already stated that changed the name and days of Passover to that of pagan names and times, they also changed the Sabbath to a pagan day. Scholars argue that Constantine was never a Christian, that he continued to worship the sun. He even had a large statue made of himself using both symbols of the scriptures and pagans.
For a long period of time from then, this church murdered millions who did not profess to the creeds. Like I said even Constantine the “converted”, the founder, the god, was himself a murderer, killing his own son and his wife. Like I said, even the Pope now admits what his church committed.
What we have are TRUE CHRISTIANS that were first persecuted by the ROMANS, and then were later persecuted by a FALSE Church, founded under pagans and pagan beliefs.
“On August 24, 1527, Roman Catholics in France, by prearranged plan, under Jesuit influence, murdered 70,000 Protestants within the space of two months. The Pope rejoiced when he heard the news of the successful outcome.” (Western Watchman, Nov.21, 1912 (Catholic)
“There was no village of the Vaudois valleys but had its martyrs. The Waldenses were burned; they were cast into damp and horrid dungeons; they were smothered in crowds in mountain caverns, mothers and babes, and old men and women together; they were sent out into exile in the winter night, unclothed and unfed, to climb the snowy mountains; they were hurled over the rocks; their houses and lands were taken from them; their children were stolen to be indoctrinated with the religion which they abhorred. Rapacious individuals were sent among them to strip them of their property, to persecute and exterminate them. Thousands of heretics or Waldenses, old men, women and children, were hung, quartered, broken upon the wheel, or burned alive and their property confiscated for the benefit of the king, and Holy See.” (Thompson – The Papacy and the Civil Power)
“That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history . . . It is impossible to form a complete conception of the multitude of her victims, and it is quite certain that no powers of imagination can adequately realize their sufferings.” (W. E. H. Lecky, History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, vol. 2, p. 32, 1910 edition)
“From the birth of popery to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than fifty millions of the human family, have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors,–an average of more than 40,000 religious murders for every year of the existence of popery to the present day. Of course the average number of victims yearly, was vastly greater, during those gloomy ages when popery was in her glory and reigned despot of the world; and it has been much less since the power of the popes has diminished to tyrannize over the nations, and to compel the princes of the earth, by the terrors of excommunication, interdiction, and deposition, to butcher their heretical subjects.” (John Dowling, The History of Romanism, pp. 541-542)
“The church may by divine right confiscate the property of heretics, imprison their person, and condemn them to flames. In our age, the right to inflict the severest penalties, even death, belongs to the church. There is no graver offense than heresy, therefore it must be rooted out.” (Public Eccliastical, Vol. 2, p.142)
Mr. Raywood Frazier, in the booklet ‘Catholic Words and Actions’, presents documentary proof of the intensive persecution of Protestants and non-Catholics in Columbia, South America, between 1949 and 1953. The Catholic Church had the support of the Columbian government in the destruction of many churches, and the liquidation of more than 1,000 documented cases — some of whom were shot, drowned, or emasculated. He says there is evidence of over 60,000 killed. Pope Pius XII awarded the President of Columbia with one of the highest awards which the Church bestows, and praised Columbia for its example of the Catholic faith. (Pp. 59,60)
“Their refusal to surrender the scriptures was an offense that the Papacy could not tolerate. The Papacy was determined to exterminate the heretics from the face of the Earth. The heretics greatest offense, was that they refused to worship God according to the will of the Pope. For this crime, the heretics suffered every humiliation, insult and torture that man could event.” (Fox’s Book Of Martyrs) Tortures: 1) Hanged and their genitals were cut off. 2) The mothers were whipped. 3) The women’s breast were ripped off. 4) They were tied up and fried in a large pan. 5) Their mouths were sewed shut. 6) They were placed into a pot of boiling water. 7) Their arms and legs were cut off. 8) Some had their eyes bored out..
“The tragical sufferings of the Protestants are too numerous to detail; but the treatment of Philip de Deux will give an idea of the rest. After the miscreants had slain this martyr in his bed, they went to his wife, who was then attended by the midwife, expecting every moment to be delivered. The midwife entreated them to stay the murder, at least till the child, which was the twentieth, should be born. Notwithstanding this, they thrust a dagger up to the hilt into the poor woman. Anxious to be delivered, she ran into a corn loft; but hither they pursued her, stabbed her in the belly, and then threw her into the street. By the fall, the child came from the dying mother, and being caught up by one of the Catholic ruffians, he stabbed the infant, and then threw it into the river.” (Fox’s Book of Martyrs, Chapter IV, The Bartholomew Massacre at Paris, etc.)
All this bloodshed OVER heretics not following the creeds accordingly or the authority of the pope. Many of those that were murdered did follow some of the creeds, they too were in error of the pagan idea that Jesus was a god.
LU….unless you can see Jesus was a (MAN), nothing more and nothing less that GOD the Father begot, by impregnating His fleshly mother Mary, MAKING him the (ONLY) HUMAN BEING, EVER BEGOTTEN BY GOD, from all of humankind, an ordinary human being like us all, who was given the (anointing) spirit of the living God at his baptizm by John at the Jordan River, and only after that was he sent into the wilderness to be tempted, and then out into the world to preach the gospel of the knigdom of God, with all signs and wonders God the Father was working through him. If you don’t understand this, you simply do not know the true JESUS, OF SCRIPTURES.
IF YOU TURN JESUS INTO A GOD, then you are turning his “IMAGE” into a MAN OF SIN. 2THS 2. AND COMMITING IDOLATRY. JESUS is one of us humans , he is not A GOD, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE EITHER.
You are truly being witnessed to here LU.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Hi Lightenup,
I do greatly appreciate you taking time to read my long posts, and I will try and respond with shorter posts too. 🙂
Hi Jodi,
I’m glad that you also appreciate my time, thank you for mentioning that.
you said:
What is interesting is that we see persecution by Christ’s TRUE followers at the time of his death and resurrection, by the Roman emperors.
I don’t believe those “TRUE followers” were confessing that Jesus was just a man and should therefore not be worshiped, as you do. I believe it was quite the opposite. Those followers were worshiping Jesus.
Also, not all Christians who confess the Nicene Creed are Catholic. I am not Catholic. Have you looked at the violence done by the Jews in the OT in the name of Jehovah? It is stunning. I have read through the OT chronologically starting in January and by August I was so in need of the good news of the coming of the Savior and Redeemer. I know enough not to believe that Jehovah is not good, but I can’t say that I understand why He did some things the way He did. Take the Amalek conquest for instance…
1Then Samuel said to Saul, “The LORD sent me to anoint you as king over His people, over Israel; now therefore, listen to the words of the LORD. 2“Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the way while he was coming up from Egypt. 3‘Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
Does that history sound good to you?
So, with that in mind, your point regarding people being killed over differing views are two sided. Now we have ISIS killing over religion and they believe that Jesus was just a man too, that God does not have a son and He does not beget.
The best we can do is love according to the two commandments: Love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, and mind. Love our neighbor as ourselves.
For me, the command to love the Son is in the first commandment with the Father. It seems that you love the Son as your neighbor; as you love yourself, according to the second commandment. The Son, in my faith is higher than myself. In your faith, the Son is equal to you, like a neighbor would be. I see Him as equal to the Father, not in authority because He is a son but in essence, together they are the Lord God. I do not see the Son as equal to myself. That is a big difference to me. One of us is denying which command we should follow in regards to the Son.
I see all creatures giving the same honor to the Son as to the Father in the future. If the Son were merely another creature, this honor to him would be blasphemous. You seem to disagree with that.
Rev 5:11Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, 12saying with a loud voice,
“Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”
13And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the dominion forever and ever.”14And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.
So think about it that way…Do you honor the Son as a neighbor and yourself or do you honor the Son as the Lord your God, one with the Father? There are only two commandments. Put the Son in the wrong commandment and you deny His rightful place. There is no in-between commandment. He is either equal to us and our neighbors or He, together with the Father, is higher than us and our neighbors.
Ask yourself what commandment do you think David has Him in. David calls Him “Lord,” btw.
Nick,
you said: He is Lord, but not God.
You have rightly said that they are distinct. Jehovah is both God and Lord, however.
Read this Nick:
Mark 12:28One of the Scribes approached him and he heard them debating and he saw that he had answered them beautifully and he asked him, “Which is the first commandment of all?” 29Yeshua said to him, “The first of all the commandments: ‘Hear Israel, THE LORD JEHOVAH your God, THE LORD JEHOVAH, he is One.’ “ 30“‘And you shall love THE LORD JEHOVAH your God with your whole heart and with your entire soul and with your entire mind and with all your power.’ This is the first commandment” 31“And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
There are only two commandments. The first is to love the LORD Jehovah with your whole heart and soul and mind. The second is to love your neighbor as yourself.
Ponder this…which commandment do you have Jesus in? Is He higher than you or equal to you as a neighbor. Do you love Jesus more than yourself or as much as yourself? Is Jesus your Lord or your neighbor?
Hi LU,
The new creation of Almighty God is in Christ, joined together with him and his Father by the Spirit
In this creation the Lord Jesus is the head of the body but every part has a role.
All he expects of his servants is obedience to his commands
What a privilege it is to be in the Son forever.
Nick,
You are avoiding the answer. How do you obey the two commands? Do you love the Son as yourself or as your Lord?
LU….Php 2:10…”that at the name of Jesus every knee “should” bow, things in heaven, and things in earth and things under the earth;
11…And that every tongue should confess that Jesus The Christ (anointed one) is lord (adoni, a human ruler),to the glory of GOD the Father.That is the way i see it LU. I SEE NO SCRIPTURE that CALLS FOR US TO WORSHIP HIM AS A GOD, OF ANY KIND. Bow in submission yes, worship as a GOD, NO WAY. “For unto US, there is but ONE GOD, and one mediator between GOD and MAN, the (MAN) JESUS CHRIST. Yes Jesus (the Anointed one).
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Lightenup,
Yes the One true God the Father is a Master. He is the Master over all, He is a Master over Jesus.
The One True God the Father also appoints humans to be master over other humans.
The Father has appointed Jesus to be a master over His Creation and over every human.
He has also through Jesus the CHRIST appointed other men to be masters over other men, but Jesus is their master.
All human masters whether they be Jesus or those under Jesus follow the WILL of the FATHER, that is what they are MASTERS OVER and master for —–God’s Will, God’s purpose, to fulfill God’s promise, to bring many human sons and daughters to glory, to eternal life.
Jesus is the firstfruit of that glory, immortality in a MAN, and he will bring others to that glory, and then they will inturn also bring others to the glory.
Jesus said, as the Father sent him into the world, he also sends his brethren into the world, all to do the WILL of the ONE TRUE GOD the FATHER!!
Lightenup,
You asked, do I know of a man who has the name of their father, it is common?
Yes of course I do, that is common knowledge. My brother has the name of our father. The people were confused that John the Baptist’s name was John and not his father’s name.
You have just proved my whole point, Jesus came in the NAME, as scripture says, of His Father, that does not make him his Father, nor does that give him the SAME identity of his Father, which is the ONE TRUE GOD, as Jesus himself says. Jesus never says that he is the One True God, he says that he came in his Father’s name, and that he came to do the WILL of his father. Not many men follow the will of their fathers these days, they follow their own will, this is what makes Jesus special, this is what gave Jesus his glory, his eternal life.
Jesus has his own identity, the identity we are given is that of a fulfilled promise, a man of the seed of David, which is of a boy who grew in grace and wisdom and was perfected, a man that shed his blood for all and wiped away sin. This is quite different from the identity of His Father, an eternal being not capable of temptation or death. Jesus said His Father was the Creator of the world, Jesus said his Father was his master, and Jesus said his Father was his God and our God. Just because your Father is God and you came in his name that does not make you equal and the exact same as your Father. My father was a logger from Coos Bay Oregon, and my brother came to be and was given the name of our father, so under your logic, that makes my brother a logger? He was never a logger, nor was Jesus ever the ONE TRUE GOD or the Creator of the world.
Lightenup you think that the scripture is declaring that Jesus is a god that existed for all eternity You want to tell us that the greatness of Jesus is that he was a god willing to become a human in order to save us, but he did so not by his will but by the will of the other part of your god who you recognize as the father. How messed up is this?? You want to say that they is one God made of two persons, who are one, but yet one did not come on his own according to his own will, as scripture clearly states, he came of the will of the Father. Most assuredly if God is ONE He has but ONE WILL!!
What the scripture is declaring when Jesus says that he came in the name of his Father, is that he came as the seed of David according to the Father’s promise, to fulfill the WILL of his Father which was SALVATION, which was held in a purpose from the beginning, for humans to become eternal.
Hi LU,
You must understand the work of the Spirit.
2 Peter 1..21
‘..for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God’
Was Jesus a prophet, yes more than a prophet, but Peter quoted scripture about him.
Acts 3.22
‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren..’
And John said about his teachings in Rev.19
’..Worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy’
And he said in Jn 6.73
‘ .. the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life’
Men are vessels for the work of the Spirit
Lightenup,
Jesus is not ashamed to call us his brothers and his sisters.
Jesus is my brother, he is an eternal human being, and I too through him according to the same Spirit given to him by the Father, I will be given of that Spirit and become an eternal human being. Jesus is the firstfruits of the Holy Spirit, of which I will also partake and will be of the same kind as him. When he comes down as the son of man, as the heavenly man, he will have spent considerable time at the ONE TRUE GOD the FATHER’s right hand. He will be my master, my teacher, my elder brother so to speak, to guide me to follow the will of our Father. He will be my king to rule over me and my family, so that we can assist him in preparing the world in order for our Father to join us. He will be, but he is most certainly now already my master. His lordship is appointed by Jehovah, therefore if I follow him, I am following Jehovah, this does NOT make Jesus Jehovah, but a servant of Jehovah. A servant COMES in their Master’s name, to do the will of their master, and speak for their master. Likewise this Master can make His servant a master over others.
Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.
How did God glorify Jesus?
1 Peter 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
1 Corinthians 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Jesus is glorified by being a MAN given eternal life. It is a MAN that is coming, CHRIST is identified as a MAN, and it is CLEAR that the CHRIST is under the ONE TRUE GOD the FATHER, of whom CHRIST a MAN will be subject to, when the FATHER Himself comes to earth. Christ of the seed of David was a servant while in his flesh, he is a servant to Jehovah now as a heavenly man, and when he completes his Master’s will by being a master over others and destroying all enemies, he will continue to be subject to the ONE TRUE GOD the FATHER whose Holy Name is Jehovah.
Hi Jodi,
Yes God will give you the Spirit if you have been reborn of water.
That promise is still valid for as many as the Lord God will call to Himself .Acts 2.39
Even not w if you asked Him for a fish would He give you a snake. Neither wil He refuse the Spirit. Lk 11.11
LU… Jodi has presenting it “exactly” right, showing you true scriptures concerning our human ruler (Jesus), who is a fellow human being, and even better our brother, who is exactly like we are. Now glorified by our Father and his Father, our God and his God.
Please consider “earnestly” what she and us are telling you LU, I know it may be hard to change, specially when you have been taught false teaching for such a long time, but this is a matter of your salvation, and is very important to us all.
If anyone makes THE MAN Jesus unto A GOD, and worship him as such, they are commiting IDOLATRY, and IDOLATERS ARE “NOT” ACEPTED BY GOD.
REMEMBER WHAT JOHN SAID, “little childern keep yourselves from IDOLS. TRINITARIANS HAVE TURNED THE “IMAGE” of the MAN JESUS INTO A GOD. WHICH MAKES HIM APPEAR TO THE WORLD, AS THE “MAN OF SIN”.
REMEMBER THE FIRST COMMANDMENT, “THOU SHALL HAVE NO “OTHER GOD” BESIDES ME, YOU SHALL MAKE “NO” (IMAGE) OF ME IN HEAVEN ABOVE OR THE EARTH BENEATH”. YOUR (IMAGE) OF JESUS BEING A GOD, BREAKES THE FIRST COMMANDMENT, AND IS SIN.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Lightenup I hope you can take some time and read through this,
Phillipians 2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, 2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. 3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. 4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Is this speaking of a pre-existing Son who came down to earth humbling himself becoming a man?
Well I guess it could possibly seem that way, except for one thing, it is talking about the mind of Jesus that he had on earth, not as someone coming down to earth. It is talking about Jesus on earth being in the form of God. Not a pre-existing god being of the form of God and then becoming a man.
Mark 1: 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Luke 4: 17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them,This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
God’s Spirit was upon Jesus, he had powers to heal the sick, to walk on water, to calm a storm, make water into wine, to feed 5,000 from 5 loaves of bread, to RAISE the DEAD!! Jesus had enormous power upon his baptism!! When he was tempted in the wilderness and he hungered he had the ability to make bread from stones, but he did not feed himself, he followed God’s will. What did Jesus say when the people were in great amazement?..he said that he does nothing of himself but through God. Did Jesus walk around seeing himself as a big celebrity? Of course he did not!
We are told that God raises up kings and He also brings kings down. What did the king of Babylon do with his granted power, that was by no means equal in any way to the power bestowed upon Jesus? The king of Babylon said in his heart that he was going to be a god. “13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.”
Jesus on the other hand given Holy Spirit powers verses the kind of powers men receive by having authority and wealth, humbled himself and became a servant, obedient unto death, to serve us with redemption by his blood.
This is the greatness of Jesus, for though he was in the same form as God having God’s Spirit, he did not exalt himself. His heart was nothing like the king of Babylon and so many other men.
Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
When God saw Jesus was ready He then anointed him with His Spirit, giving him the powers of His Spirit.
Matthew 12: 18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
Jesus in that great power, as God had planned and foreknew, kept the mind of a servant.
Because of this God exalted him, giving him the crown of eternal life.
If you try and say this passage is speaking of a pre-existing Jesus who humbled himself by becoming a man and a servant, you make the Christ into antichrist. You take away his true glory, which was a man in the flesh having the power of the Holy Spirit who humbled himself.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Jesus is our master because as he was a servant who God had chosen to give His Spirit to, in that power of God’s Spirit he remained a servant. This is AMAZING, this is unlike the character of any man we have seen throughout history. Jesus denied all temptation, he had absolute powers, and he did not use those powers one time to serve himself, he did not use those powers when he was being ridiculed, beaten, and nailed to a cross. Jesus is an amazing man to the glory of God.
The beginning of this passage is to tell those, who were also receiving powers of the Holy Spirit, to be like minded with the mind of Christ.
Not like minded with a pre-existing god, saying I will lower myself and become a human servant, but like minded as the man, born of the seed of David, who remained a servant even when he was in the form of God having God’s powers.
Hi Jodi,
Yes the letter appeals to those who have likewise been anointed with the Spirit to walk as Jesus did.
The Spirit has given us life so we are advised to walk in the Spirit.Gal 5
It is the Holy Spirit that defines the body of Christ.
On this rock I will build my church.
If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you are none of his.Rom 8. And when we have received God’s investment in us of the Spirit we are urged to ask seek and knock, keep adding to the grace of God by prayer and letting His works be done through us.
Hi,
Acts 8.12f
But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptised, men and women alike. even Simon himself believed and after being baptised, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed. Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the Word of God, they sent them Peter and John, who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For He had not yet fallen on them, they had simply been baptised in the name the of the Lord Jesus. Then they began laying their hands on them and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.
So the order of God for salvation is belief, baptism in the name of Jesus Christ and then baptism in the Spirit, by the laying on of hands, which can be done later, or God can do it in response to prayer. Lk 11.11f
Do not be deceived as nothing has changed since the days of the apostles.
Hi Jodi,
Just this for now because it is late…
5Now Moses was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken later; 6but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house—whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end.
Please note that there is a distinction between Moses as having been faithful in all His house as a servant BUT Christ was faithful as a SON OVER His house.
Moses was the servant, Jesus is the Son. Moses was in His house, Jesus was/is OVER His house.
The servant comes in his master’s name but a Son can be given His Father’s name AND come in His Father’s name.
Scriptures clearly tell us that the Messiah will be called Jehovah our Righteousness. Jesus also mentions that the Father’s name was given to Him in John 17.
John 17:11…I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.12“While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
I will work through your latest posts before too long, thanks again for your time and effort.
G’nite,
LU
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