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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2014,19:22) Hi 94,
James puts it another way.
jas 1
Our own lusts conceive and give birth to sin
Well this is true, and the same thing that I've stated. When we yield to temptation, then it enters into our heart, and when we obey it then it becomes sin or even as the Lord states relative to looking upon a woman to lust after her flesh, one has comitted adultery in his heart. In other words, if you could of, you would have, even that you did not literally do it.Love in Christ,
MartyHi 94,
By the sound of Jas 1 we are born with lusts within and they conceive as 'sin in the flesh' if we give into temptation[rom7]
Our job is to resist their enticements and overcome them as Jesus did.
Resist satan and he will flee from youQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2014,20:49) Hi 94,
By the sound of Jas 1 we are born with lusts within and they conceive as 'sin in the flesh' if we give into temptation[rom7]
Our job is to resist their enticements and overcome them as Jesus did.
Resist satan and he will flee from you
No, I do not believe that we are born with lusts. You are a physician. Have you ever seen a an infant lust after the flesh.Sin is defined as “the transgression of the Law”. I do not know a child that has transgressed the Law.
If Isaiah 53 states that we all like sheep have gone astray. That means that we did not start out that way, but “we went astray at some point after our start”.
If it was Adam's fault that I was born that way, and I had no choice but to sin, then why does the Lord hold us accountable for our sins?
Love in Christ,
Martymarty
Quote and I had no choice but to sin, then why does the Lord hold us accountable for our sins? that is why God gives us his grace ,to who that as believed
Quote (terraricca @ June 07 2014,22:20) marty Quote and I had no choice but to sin, then why does the Lord hold us accountable for our sins? that is why God gives us his grace ,to who that as believed
He gives us grace because we have believed with a repentant heart.Quote (942767 @ June 07 2014,17:34) Quote (terraricca @ June 07 2014,22:20) marty Quote and I had no choice but to sin, then why does the Lord hold us accountable for our sins? that is why God gives us his grace ,to who that as believed
He gives us grace because we have believed with a repentant heart.
martyyes ;that is repentance of our sins
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2014,10:35) Quote (942767 @ June 05 2014,07:49) Quote (gadam123 @ June 05 2014,20:31) …….the birth narratives rightly state that the Jesus 'will be' called son of God after his birth not prior to his birth. The word 'will be' is so clear every where in these narrations. I don't know why our brothers Mike and Terraricca close their eyes to these simple facts?
Hi Brother Adam:It is very hard to understand why they can't see the truth. I feel like I am beating my head against a wall.
Let us pray that God will reveal the truth to them.
In John 6, Jesus said, “I came down from heaven……… What if you see me ascend to where I was before?”And then some of his listeners DID see him ascend to where he was before. (Acts 1:9-11)
I don't know why Adam, Gene, Nick, and Marty close their eyes to these simple facts……… especially considering that the one who gave us the teaching is the one they call their “Lord and Savior”.
It's very hard for Pierre and I to understand why you guys can't see the WHOLE truth. I fell like I am beating my head against a wall.
Pierre and I will pray that God reveal the WHOLE truth to you guys.
Adam, Gene, and Marty: Please DIRECTLY address the points I made in the 4th post on page 581 of the Pre-existence thread.
Hello brother Mike,
I know it's very difficult to convince one another when we are sticking to our own understanding. I already told here that it's very difficult to conclude in one way based on our scriptures which are ambiguous in nature for example the 'preexistence' phrases in John's Gospel. You can see how brother Nick argues here that no human can exist in heaven prior to his birth. This is the simple logic. If at all Jesus was existing as some being in heaven prior to his birth he could not have been real human like you and me. This is the argument I, Gene and few others point out here. I can only interpret such ambiguous words in line with understanding Jesus was like any one of us in human nature and was filled by Holy Spirit and acted like God for us on this earth. He is not 'a god' or demi-god or smaller god like few of us think here. That's why I told we should not play with words. For there is only one God (1 Cor 8:5-6) he is God the Father and Jesus is Lord Messiah and our human mediator not any god. This is what I understand and believe. The words he(Jesus) spoke were not his own but God in Spirit speaking to the audience as narrated in John's Gospel. The verses you quoted to support preexistence can be understand in this context only. I hope I am clear to you..
Thank you
Adamadam
Quote I know it's very difficult to convince one another when we are sticking to our own understanding. I already told here that it's very difficult to conclude in one way based on our scriptures which are ambiguous in nature for example the 'preexistence' phrases in John's Gospel. You can see how brother Nick argues here that no human can exist in heaven prior to his birth. This is the simple logic. If at all Jesus was existing as some being in heaven prior to his birth he could not have been real human like you and me. This is the argument I, Gene and few others point out here. I can only interpret such ambiguous words in line with understanding Jesus was like any one of us in human nature and was filled by Holy Spirit and acted like God for us on this earth. He is not 'a god' or demi-god or smaller god like few of us think here. That's why I told we should not play with words. For there is only one God (1 Cor 8:5-6) he is God the Father and Jesus is Lord Messiah and our human mediator not any god. This is what I understand and believe. The words he(Jesus) spoke were not his own but God in Spirit speaking to the audience as narrated in John's Gospel. The verses you quoted to support preexistence can be understand in this context only. I hope I am clear to you..
Thank you
Adamall your argument is only based to prevent to answering Mike's question ,
you have a very BIAS view in scriptures ;and so you are not scripturally looking for God's truth but for your personal truth ,religion truth ,men's truth ,what are all lies
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2014,16:42) Hi ($,
The catholics reason Mary must have been perfect to bear Jesus.
The call her the mother of God and worship her.But Jesus was an overcomer
rev 3.21
The point is that if we are all born in sin because of Adam, then that would include the virgin Mary, right? And if she was tainted as a result of Adam's sin, then Jesus was also affected since she was his mother.She was indeed a virgin when Jesus was conceived in her womb, but she was a sinner just as all of humanity.
We all went astray except for Jesus.
Thank God for him,
MartyHi 94,
Only when lusts conceive do men become sinners.
Jesus came to save sinners and all except himself are sinnersQuote (942767 @ June 08 2014,00:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2014,16:42) Hi ($,
The catholics reason Mary must have been perfect to bear Jesus.
The call her the mother of God and worship her.But Jesus was an overcomer
rev 3.21
The point is that if we are all born in sin because of Adam, then that would include the virgin Mary, right? And if she was tainted as a result of Adam's sin, then Jesus was also affected since she was his mother.She was indeed a virgin when Jesus was conceived in her womb, but she was a sinner just as all of humanity.
We all went astray except for Jesus.
Thank God for him,
Marty
MARTYQuote The point is that if we are all born in sin because of Adam, then that would include the virgin Mary, right? And if she was tainted as a result of Adam's sin, then Jesus was also affected since she was his mother. THIS IS CORRECT, THAT IS WHY MARY WAS CHRIST SURROGATE MOTHER ,JUST TO COVER THE SON OF GOD WITH FLESH ,THAT IS WHAT SURROGATE MOTHERS DO,SINS THE BEING AS ALREADY BE FORM ,THIS IS WHAT THE POWERS OF GOD DID ,
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2014,02:57) Hi t,
Surrogate mothers do not cover their embryos with flesh
They just house them
NYOU REALLY SHOULD READ MORE ABOUT WHAT HAPPEN INSIDE OF A SURROGATE WOMB ,
THEN WE TALK
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2014,05:02) Hi T,
If you know more tell us.
N1. A woman who bears a child for another person, often for pay, either through artificial insemination or by carrying until birth another woman's surgically implanted fertilized egg.
2. One that acts as, serves as, or is a mother substitute.THIS IS WHAT THE DICTIONARY SAYS NUMBER 2 IS THE ONE
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2014,08:25) Hi T,
In neither case does a mother supply flesh.
NNO,SHE ONLY BRING THE FETUS TO TERM
i THINK I WAS MISTAKEN IN SAYING THAT
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