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Hi Nick,
The passage says he will be like the angels no longer able to die. So he is just like they are in the exact sense the passage says. They are not able to die and he is not able to die. This doesn’t mean he is an angel.
Hi Jodi,
And like the angels they neither marry nor are given in marriage.
Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom.
Hi Gene,
If you cannot hear the Spirit in the voice of Jesus
will you hear it when he comes back to wake his brothers?
Nick….You ask when this mortal becomes immortal, what happens to this mortal? It, the mortal, changes to immortal . Where do you see the mortal is done away with, or “it” the same it, changes to a spirit being at? Those are your additions not found in scripture, your simply forcing the text to say what it does not spicifically say., Just as you say Jesus dumped his flesh body somewhere.
You say “if you can not hear the spirit in voice of Jesus”, the spirit was in the voice of the prophets, as well as Jesus, but none of that ever made them spirit being. Trying to tie that to mean Jesus was and is not a flesh and bone human being, is you forcing text to meet your own dogmas.
Because scriptures says God makes his angels spirits, doe not mean they “are” spirit beings, God makes our spirits also, are we spirits beings?
You put forth like you understand spritual things here Nick, but believe me you have a lot yet to understand, espically if you keep forcing our scriptures to say what they do not specifically say. You assume you have spiritual understanding, but in fact you miss, what the spirit is saying, and are in denial concerning, the first resurection not BEING about our PHYSICAL BODIES. If you don’t understand that then your words of hearing the spirit, doesn’t apply to you, thats for sure. The whole concept of a resurection from the dead has to do with the “Redemption” of our PHYSICAL BODIES, SPIRITUALLY RAISED FROM THE GRAVE AND BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE, JUST AS JESUS’ “BODY” WAS. It “NEVER” SAW CORRUPTION, and is with Jesus to this very day. It, “his body” simply went from mortal to immortal.
We are looking for that same Jesus to return and give us also imortal physical bodies just like his. Bodies that never die again. If you don’t understand that, then it’s you who can’t see what the spirit is saying Nick, not us. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Nick….Have you ever explained to us how spirits themselves are “bodies” of anykind. And why would spirits need to be resurected seening spirits don’t die. Tell us how that works in your mind, enlighten us brother.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Hi Gene,
You want explanations of spiritual things that satisfy your natural mind?
Impossible.
YOU need to be transformed by the renewal of your mind.
Hi All,
1 Cor 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
Me: “own order” means at the individual’s unique time, not at a general resurrection. So, this cannot mean at the time Christ returns and gives all the saints of this royal and priestly generation a new body. This pertains to all the OT saints that had died before Pentecost to have eternal life then at Pentecost. It also pertains to those saints that receive eternal life at the individual deaths.
Click on the link below. Then click on 2398 above “own”
Short Definition: one’s own, private, personalMe: Those saints dead before the resurrection and glorification of Christ receive salvation at Pentecost. Those that die afterwards, at their own order of death.
Heb 11 pertains to all those whom died in faith in the old testament that did not receive of the promises until Pentecost.
Young’s Literal Translation
Acts 2:34 for David did not go up to the heavens, and he saith himself: The Lord saith to my lord, Sit thou at my right hand,Me: Most translations have “did not” and not “is not”. David had not ascended into heaven before Pentecost. He sure did at that time.
Hi All,
When did Christ Come back to the apostles?
Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Me: He came back at Pentecost.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
Me: It is after Christ had been glorified that Christ came back and would never leave us. It is after Christ’s death, resurrection and glorification that we will never die. We die with him and are resurrected into life with him.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Me: We pass from eternal death to eternal life.
Hi All,
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Me: This pertains to when Christ was resurrected from the dead, not at the time Christ returns to earth, to wit:
Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath (639) be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! 14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. 15 Thou shalt call (John 5:25), and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.
Emphasis in the parenthesis is mine.
Me: Click on the link below. Then click on 639 above “your wrath”.
NASB Translation
anger (205), angry (2), angry* (5), before (2), breath (1), countenance (1), double (1), face (15), faces (4), forbearance* (1), ground (1), nose (10), noses (1), nostril (1), nostrils (13), quick-tempered* (1), snout (1), wrath (8), wrath with his anger (1).Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God
Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Me: know “wrath” here in Job 14:13 has to be the wrath on Christ and not Christ’s wrath on the world. God’s wrath upon the world occurs after he returns with all of his saints.
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him
Me: Wrath in Job 14:13 pertains to Christ’s forbearance at the cross. So the time when Job awakes from his death, here sleep, is at Pentecost, not at Christ’s return with all of his saints.
Hi All,
1 Cor 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.To every seed a body.
Me: Seed is of the spirit as we shall see below.
Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Me: Seed means of the spirit. Spirit comes before body. God made us spirits first and then bodies.
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Me: Mind always goes with spirit. So God made us of the one breath with our unique minds before he gave us bodies.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Me: God breathe the spirit and mind of Adam into his body, that was created before his body.
Hi All,
Life giving spirit. Sprit can exist without a body
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing…
Me: A spirit can live without a body.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
1 Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Me: The first Adam was made a living soul (mind, body, and spirit as one). The second Adam was made a life giving spirit (heart, mind, and spirit). There is nothing to convey or imply that the second Adam needed a body to live. It is the spirit that gives life to the body, not the body gives life to the spirit.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him…10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Me: God is invisible spirit. Christ who is in the image of God is of that invisible spirit. His heart and mind have grown fully to that image of Almighty God (1 Cor 15:45).
Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Me: Our bodies were created to develop character in us. It is also to express the glory of that character. Our old bodies are of sin. Christ Clothes our sin with his body of righteousness (symbolically and actual) to cover our sins.
Hi All,
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day (this time) shalt thou be with me in paradise.
2 Cor 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Me: Christ said now is the time of salvation. Our bodies can come later all at the same time.
2 Cor 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
Hi All,
When did Christ Come back to the apostles?
Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Me: He came back at Pentecost.
Hi TruthComber,
Yes, Jesus returned in spirit form on Pentecost…
“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me,
he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and
We will come unto him, and make Our abode with him.” (John 14:23)Jesus and the Father’s Spirit…
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)1. the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit)
2. the Spirit of Christ (Jesus’ spirit)____________
God bless
Ed JHi Edj
I believe all good except 2.
Roman 8:9 (a) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. (b) Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Me: Verse 9b is a continuation of thought from 8b. The spirit of Christ is the spirit of God after Christ existed.
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,…6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Me: There is only one spirit in the church of God, the holy spirit. There are different minds in the holy spirit—the mind of God, the mind of his son, and the minds of the church.
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Me: Christ is addressing anyone with the spirit of God in them.
Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Me: Another way of stated Eph 4:23. Our minds are unique. The spirit of God flows through all minds in them.
The holy spirit with only the father in it is from eternity. The holy spirit with Christ in it is from when Christ existed. It is the holy spirit or spirit of Christ, or spirit in Christ.
definition of Greek και στην: of or in
Thus, 1 Peter 1:11, for example could be translated as:
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit in Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Hi Gene
We where talking alittle about the seventy weeks of Daniel. I read this book awhile ago I thought it was a good study one of the best I found.
The Seventy Weeks
and the Great Tribulation
A Study of the Last Two Visions of Daniel, and of the Olivet Discourse of the Lord Jesus Christ
Philip Mauro
(1921)The Romance of Bible Chronology | Edersheim on Matthew 24 | Jerusalem’s Destruction and the Seventy Week
Hi Gene
This is the site where you can find it. There is other site too. Now in His book there no mention of Him being a a preterist. They pick up on His book. I read the real book not the one on the internet. That was back in the day when we had to buy real books. God bless Gene
https://www.preteristarchive.com/index.html
God bless this is a Good read.
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