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Hi Anthony,
Yet another intellectual site that does not recognise the voice of God speaking through His Son.
Yet another that, because of this error, believes that Jesus claimed to be God.
Yet another that doesn’t preach the message of salvation,
ignoring the call through Peter at Pentecost.
Even demons believe, and tremble.
False teachers still abound.
Nick….Wrong, please show me where i disagree with Anthony or Jodi, it’s you that is disagreeing with them and me. Arn’t you the one saying, the old testement was lying about the dead not me or them? It’s you saying the soul is not a human body with the breath of life in it, not me OR ANTHONY OR JODI. It’s you taking a “parable” and trying to force it meet your false assumption not me or Anthony or JODI.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Hi Gene,
In Rom 7 Paul was longing to die to have his old tent replaced with the new one.
He spoke about the new tent in 2 Cor 5.1-4 our dwelling from heaven,
But you do not want a new tent but prefer the old body of sin?
Hi Nick
Well as far as I can see there not teaching false doctoring on this issue Nike.
Dust formed+ breath of God=becomes living a living soul or being Nick God bless
Hi Anthony,
What comes from the creative breath of God?
Acts 17.25
..He Himself gives TO ALL PEOPLE LIFE AND BREATH AND ALL THINGS…
Is.57.16
…for the SPIRIT would grow faint before Me, AND THE BREATH of those I have made.
Job 27.3
For as long as LIFE is in me, AND THE BREATH OF GOD is in my nostrils,
Two things are mentioned.
Job 33.29
He has redeemed my SOUL from going to the pit, and my life shall see the light.
Many deny the SOUL and yet that he s what man is.
Nick,
Jesus was raised in his glory and that glory was a body of flesh and bones that could not die. We are CREATED beings, and God gives created beings different bodies as He wills and designs. We don’t take on the same body as God, and angels do not have the same body as God, and Jesus does not have the same body as angels! You are hung up on some imaginative idea of what it means to become a spiritual being and you hang on to your own imagination over direct scripture. You believe he changed into something else when he ascended to God correct? There is NO such scripture, that is your imagination! It was upon his resurrection that he received his glorified BODY.
Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
WHAT BODY was Jesus GIVEN when he was raised? It was flesh and bones.
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
We are given a comparison of the mortal body and the immortal body of which is given when you are resurrected from the dead. Jesus was RAISED in a BODY of GLORY, he was RAISED in a BODY of POWER, he was raised with a SPIRITUAL BODY, and PEOPLE witnessed his resurrection and his glory.
You think a spiritual body means something according to your imagination. You don’t need your imagination you need scripture and believe that the flesh and bones body Jesus was raised in was spiritual, it is spiritual because it has the eternal life of God dwelling in it. It is spiritual because there is no enmity in it, no fear of death, no need to serve the body in order to live, thus it has no temptations drawing it away to serve itself.
The animals will receive a change as well, there will be no more carnivores. God makes all things new He puts things at peace. Animals will not be territorial, dominant, they will not kill and eat each other. Animals won’t be incorruptible but their innate behaviors will be changed. Man and animals will dwell on earth as God had intended from the beginning.
Thank you Alex for this, we stand united…yeah for unity in the only begotten Son:
“8. And His proper and peculiar, natural and excellent Sonship, St. Paul has declared, who thus speaks of God:
Who spared not His own Son, but for us,
who were not His natural sons,delivered Him up.
Romans 8:32 For to distinguish Him from those who are not properly sons, He said that He was His own Son. And in the Gospel we read:This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew 3:17 Moreover, in the Psalms the Saviour says:The Lord has said to Me, You are my Son.
Where, showing that He is the true and genuine Son, He signifies that there are no other genuine sons besides Himself. And what, too, is the meaning of this:From the womb before the morning I begot you
? Does He not plainly indicate the natural sonship of paternal bringing forth, which he obtained not by the careful framing of His manners, not by the exercise of and increase in virtue, but by property of nature? Wherefore, the only-begotten Son of the Father, indeed, possesses an indefectible Sonship; but the adoption of rational sons belongs not to them by nature, but is prepared for them by the probity of their life, and by the free gift of God. And it is mutable as the Scripture recognises:For when the sons of God saw the daughters of men, they took them wives,
Genesis 6:2 etc. And in another place:I have nourished and brought up children, but they have rebelled against Me,
Isaiah 1:2 as we find God speaking by the prophet Isaiah.”You are WRONG Nick they saw him in his glory not in his old flesh. You are just making up your own passages now and deny Paul??
1 Corinthians 15, please try and explain it away??
You seem to completely DENY his resurrection and how he was RAISED in GLORY and POWER, that he was RAISED a spiritual body, and how people witnessed Jesus being resurrected.
Nick we became like God and the angels by knowing good and evil. Yes when we are alive we are living and angels and God are living. We are different though because we are mortal and they are immortal with eternal life. Christ is the image of God because he follows God’s will perfectly. Christ is in the image of God because he was given eternal life like God has eternal life. We have a created body and angels have another type of body. Knowing and desiring to follow God’s will is manifested in our brains and our character, it exists through created matter that God designed and gave us. This is of the same elements that make up the earth, and is the very reason why when we die we know nothing and return to the dust. Solomon asked for wisdom and God gave it to him great wisdom, God then had him write scripture for us, but you want to deny God’s wisdom.
I don’t believe Jesus was resurrected from the dead with a flesh and bones body of which Paul tells us that body was raised a spiritual body, because I think carnally, I believe it because that is what the scriptures say. It takes spiritual thinking I guess to believe it is true, and man’s imagination to think it is not.
The soul of a man dies and it waits judgment when it is resurrected Nick. This is exactly why it says we were made of the dust and we return to the dust.
You are twisting the passage to try and make it fit and it doesn’t,
You said, “Man became a living soul within flesh by the breath of our amazing God.
Flesh rots and the spirit returns to God but the soul of a man awaits the judgement.”
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
You are trying to say that when God gave the breath He also was giving a soul into a body, and you say the flesh rots but the soul does not it waits for judgment, but in the meantime you believe he is already being judged and is living in torment if he was a wicked soul.
God formed man of the dust, NOT God formed man’s body out of the dust, He formed MAN. Once that man was formed including his brain, God gave him breath of life and he became alive. When a person is no longer with that breath they die and return to the dust.
Jodi….I agreewith that, i think what confusses Nick, is the term “spritural” he believes that to mean a “spirit” body, which no such thing exist. We are changed, that meanings from being able to be corupted to not being able to be corrupted in anyway. “For this mortal (being able to die) must “put on” emortality (not being able to die). No where does it say our bodies no longer exist. The “it” spoken of by Paul being rased, is the same “it” raised, just regenerated by being given “spritual” qualities. If that were not the case then why would all ours hairs be numbered.
I completely agree with you that Jesus was indeed raised with his same body now unable to die,just as he said, “i was “dead”, now “alive’ for ever more.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
And that rock was Christ.
1 Cor. 10:4.Rock of ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in thee;
Let the water and the blood,
From thy riven side which flowed,
Be of sin the double cure;
Cleanse me from its guilt and power.
2 Not the labor of my hands
Can fulfill the law’s demands;
Could my zeal no respite know,
Could my tears for ever flow,
All for sin could not atone;
Thou must save and thou alone.
3 Nothing in my hand I bring,
Simply to thy cross I cling;
Naked, come to thee for dress;
Helpless, look to thee for grace;
Foul, I to the fountain fly;
Wash me, Saviour, or I die.
4 While I draw this fleeting breath,
When my heart-strings break in death,
When I soar to worlds unknown,
See thee on thy judgment throne,
Rock of ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in thee.
Isaiah 26:4
Confide ye in Jehovah for ever; for in Jah, Jehovah, is the rock of ages.
That is the Son who is in Jehovah as the “Rock of Ages.”
The Rock of Ages that is in Jehovah is the only begotten God, Jesus Christ, the true Son of God.
Enjoy!
Hi Gene,
Jn 20.16
Stop clinging to me for I have not yet ascended to the Father…
Jn 7.39
But this he spoke of the Spirit; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
You are mistaken if you think a torn, cut, punctured bloodless body is the glorified body of Jesus.
Hi Jodi,
Rom 6.4
Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death,so that as Christ was raised from the dead
through the glory of the Father, so we might walk in newness of life. For those who have become united to him
in the likeness to his death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness to his resurrection, knowing that our old self
was crucified with him in order that our our body of sin be done away with,so that we would no longer be slaves
to sin, for he who has died is freed from sin.
The body dies and the sin soaked self with it in baptism so that we may rise in a glorious new body like to Jesus’s.
The resurrection of Jesus was completed when he was to be with the Father in glory.
Hi Jodi,
The old body is the BODY OF SIN.
It is the BODY OF THIS DEATH.
But you want to hold on to it ??
Hi Gene,
Paul, the Pharisee, was born under the law, the law of sin and death.
As gentiles we were never subject to the law, which only applies to those under the law.
There is only one option for us, one law, and that is the law of the Spirit.
Take care not to condemn yourself by denying the teaching of the Spirit in Luke 16.
Hi Jodi,
Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom. 1 Cor 15.
But you still think our master entered heaven as flesh?
Hi Jodi,
You think the breath of God just made mud live?
So mud gives us our personality, our thoughts and emotions, our will and our heart.
You rather overrate the capacity of mud I think.
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