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Yes. For example. If a person claims the Spirit revealed to him that Jesus was not born the Christ, and scripture teaches he was and the translation is correct, then you logically have to question the source of the revelation.
Hi Nick
What do you think about this Scripture in Isaiah 7:14.
14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.[
Immanuel meaning God with us.
And this one.
Isaiah 9:6 New King James Version (NKJV)
6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.Let me know k.
God bless Anthony
Let me know k.
God bless Anthony
Hi Anthony,
The bible is NOT saying…
“He” shall be calledThe bible is saying…
“His name” shall be calledPerhaps you see no distinction, but there is. Let me explain:
Jesus name is called “YA-shu-a” meaning “God’s salvation”Wonderful – YA
Counselor – YA
Mighty God -YA
Everlasting Father – YA
Prince of Peace – Jesus brings salvation,
baptizing believers with God’s Holy Spirit____________
God bless
Ed JAnthony….That scripture was given to the King of Judah as a sign that GOD WAS WITH THEM, read the narative, it is also applied to JESUS, and indeed GOD WAS with Jesus, and through Jesus with us. Remember Anthony God is Spirit, if he is in you he is also present to your friends and family by being in you. The same applies to Jesus, GOD was “in” him, via, the HoLy Spirit, but none of that ever made Jesus a GOD, no more then God being in us makes us God’s.
Peace and love to you and yours. ….gene
Hi EDJ and Gene
Thanks for your help. So it’s saying the Name not the person? Like God is in Jesus Christ, God anointed Him to do His work on Earth to bring salvation to the world ya.
God bless Anthony
Hi Ed J and ALL,
What you should realize from John 6 is that if you read the chapter you will find that verse 62 is Jesus speaking of his RESURRECTION, he died and rose, and people saw him where he was before on earth. What you will realize from this chapter is that God SENT a prophet, a SON of MAN into the world to bring eternal life.
John 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world. 15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
2 Things we see here,
First Jesus says “this is of a TRUTH, that prophet that should COME into the WORLD.”
It is NOT a pre-existing son that has COME into the WORLD, it is the PROPHET that was promised all throughout the OT that CAME into the WORLD. This prophet CAME DOWN FROM heaven, was MADE through GOD and sent by God. Moses had been visited by God, he was anointed with God’s Spirit to speak God’s word and to perform miracles to FREE Israel, likewise God came down anointing Jesus with His Spirit, this time an anointing without measure and Jesus too spoke and performed miracles and had come into the world being SENT unto the world to FREE many. THE prophet CAME into the WORLD, the prophet was SENT FROM HEAVEN. God sent Him, his anointing came down from heaven and he was sent from heaven, sent by God.
This is WHY Jesus says later in this passage that he was the BREAD of eternal life that came down from heaven. He was the prophet that CAME into the WORLD being sent from GOD.
Second, we see that Jesus perceived that they would want to take him and make him a KING. Why is that? The answer would be because they recognized him as the promised Messiah, as they must have known the scriptures that said God would make the son of David into a king of kings and restore Israel.
John 6: 27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
The SON of MAN was sealed to endureth unto everlasting life, not a pre-existing son was sent to bring everlasting life, the SON of MAN made into a prophet that had come into the world upon his anointing at his baptism. He wasn’t just a prophet he was declared the Son of God according to OT prophecy, when God told David and Solomon that he would take their son and make him His Son.
When Jesus tells us he was God’s prophet that came into the world and was sent, and when he tells us the Son of MAN was sealed to bring eternal life, it should be quite evident that when God says that He “so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” that this Son is the Son that was BORN of God’s Spirit at the river, being the ONLY mortal to have the Spirit without measure.
God so loved the WORLD he brought the prophet into the WORLD that would bring eternal life. Jesus was made into a prophet through his anointing, and likewise through that anointing he became the “only begotten Son”. As OT says God would MAKE a Son of Man into His OWN Son, as OT says God would not give His glory to another MAN.
John 6: 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
SHALL WE forget what Jesus TOLD the 12 in verse 14, that God sent a prophet into the world? Shall we forget verse 27 where Jesus says the Son of Man was sealed to bring eternal life?
30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world… 36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Shall we forget verse 27 again and verse 14?? The Son of MAN was sealed to bring eternal life. The prophet was SENT by God unto the WORLD. The Son of Man had become a prophet through the Spirit descending upon him, this is how the prophet came down from heaven.
Jesus says, you also have seen me!!
39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Jesus of course was talking about the resurrection, and likewise in verse 62 he is speaking of his own resurrection.
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Where was the Son of man before??
Where did the disciples SEE the son of Man? He had been on earth with them performing miracles and speaking God’s word.
When he ascended from death did they SEE HIM AGAIN where he was before? They sure did!!
It is just fascinating how people disregard the ENTIRE CONTEXT of a chapter, and try and pull out a few verses to prove pre-existence. The passage leads to Jesus speaking of the RESURRECTION of the dead, and Jesus proclaiming he will die and rise again, and that if they believe in him they too will be resurrected. But pre-existence folks think that Jesus is speaking of pre-existing, it is truly mind boggling!
Nick, not sure what you are trying to prove.
As I showed you the soul and the spirit are used interchangeably. Regardless if you are using the soul/nepesh to represent the breath of life that returns to God as it is used in Genesis, or the spirit as the breath of life that returns to God as used in the NT, the point is still the same. There is no part of you that exists beyond death. I tend to use soul as the breath of life and spirit as your character, your beliefs, you thoughts, your attitude, your feelings.
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Man on his own does not know God, it takes God’s Spirit working in our own spirit to know God.
The capability to know something to understand something to believe in something comes from the power God gave us within our brains Nick. It takes the Spirit of God working in our MINDS to know God. Your MIND is your spirit.
When a person DIES the breath of life that God gave them returns to God and their body along with their mind/spirit perishes.
Hi Jodi
So your saying
There only one God and Jesus Christ is the Prophet that was sent by God the Father when Jesus Christ was anointed. Is that when He became the only begotten Son. At His baptism or His Birth?
God bless Anthony
Nick,
You said,
“You seem to believe that when you say something it should be taken on board as irrefutable truth.
But you do not even believe in Satan and the kingdom of darkness!”
Lol, Nick you hypocrite!!
I have stated several times before that I do in fact believe in the adversary, so FOR YOU TO SAY THAT I DON’T simply because I don’t define the adversary as you do, that makes it you actually that must think you have the irrefutable truth, now doesn’t it?
Have I ever said Nick that my understanding is the irrefutable truth?
We all give our understanding and I make sure I give scripture to back it up!
You don’t present your belief in the SAME manner I do?? All of us on this forum speak to what we believe is the truth. This always seems to come out of you when you don’t have an actual legit response, you make false accusations.
What is your point really in this Nick? Seems as though you are trying to prove that my understanding of the human spirit must be false because my definition of the adversary is also false? Isn’t that what you are trying to say? I find that pathetic.
When you know for a FACT that I have spent considerable time and use of scripture DEFINING not DENYING the adversary and you then turn and falsely accuse me of not believing in the adversary, that would make you most certainly a diabolos!!
Hi Anthony,
How is God with us? How is it that we are to know God? How is it that we received the promise He gave to us before the world was?
Is God with us through the promised Messiah that did come of which God said He would give so that we may know Him through him?
1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
This is EXACTLY why the child born would be called Immanuel. God is with us through Jesus.
As for Isaiah 9:6 I explained this in detail on the other topic. Jehovah is one He says there is no one else, and He speaks of men being gods. The word for “God” down below is in fact also defined as mighty men. Jehovah makes mighty men, and He calls them gods. Jehovah made Moses into a mighty man and He called Moses a god. The government upon Jesus shoulders is appointed to Him by Jehovah, and this appointment was given to David’s son. He has been given this authority because he was like us, tempted as we were tempted, and therefore he can be a righteous judge.
Notice that the child will come to be called these things. None of these things he is called because he pre-existed, but because of what God had ordained with the man Jesus. Our peace is held in his blood that was shed on the cross, our peace is held in his resurrection and appointment of being a ruler over all of Jehovah’s creation AS being the firstborn of the dead.
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.Hi Anthony,
This is what I know from the scriptures.
God promised David and Solomon that He would take their son and make him into His Son.
Jesus tells us that man must be born again, born of water and of the Spirit to see the kingdom of God.
We are also told that God would begat David’s son on a certain day.
We are also told that those who are born of God cannot sin.
We also know that unlike any other mortal man Jesus was born of the Spirit without measure, and he is the only man that did not sin.
We also see from scripture is that Jesus did not begin to be called the Son of God by the people until after he was anointed.
Jesus quotes Isaiah after he was anointed saying that the Spirit was upon him and he was sent to preach the gospel, perform miracles, and free captives.
We are also told as recently mentioned from John 6 that God sent a prophet into the world.
We also know that the person who died on the cross was called and known as the Son of Man, but God says that He so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son into the world to bring eternal life.
If Jesus was born again at the river, and the prophet came into the world from then and was sent, and Jesus says himself he was sent from the time the Spirit was laid upon him, then the only begotten Son that God sent, was therefore born the only begotten son at the river. This would be the DAY that God had promised in the OT that He would begat David’s son and make him His own Son.
According to OT promise he really had to be born a son of man first before becoming a Son of God, this would mean that at his birth he was a 100% human being, a true Son of Man. We are given the reason why God would bring forth the Messiah from a virgin in Isaiah 7 and it didn’t have anything to do with pre-existence, or being born part God. The NT also speaks of the relationship that a virgin has with the Lord verses the relationship a married woman has with the Lord, that of a virgins can be kept pure because once a woman is married their devotion to the Lord turns to devotion to their husband.
Furthermore Matthew I believe is really telling us that Jesus was the biological son of Joseph who was a Son of Solomon. By Solomon’s seed not by an adoption was the Messiah to come, and become an eternal king to sit on the throne of David. Matthew tells us these are the generations of Jesus, from Abraham to David, to Solomon, to Joseph. God’s Holy Spirit made it possible.
Hi Jodi
Thanks I’m looking in to all this, reading and studying Isaiah right now, it’s a big book. K
God bless Anthony
Hi Jodi,
Yes you claim that the soul perishes at death.
Scripture disagrees.
The Body without the spirit is dead
Fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna.
Nick..NO, Jodi is right, when you die your soul no longer exists, you are truly dead, and will remain that way untill you are resurected, just as Jesus was. If God were to have left JESUS BODY in the grave he still to this day would be dead. “The dead know nothing”. It is apsolutely crucial if we die, we attain to the resurection, that will witness the redemption of our BODIES, or we are gone forever.
That is why it says God can destory both our bodies and soul (spirit) where in the grave. Not some tarter place you believe in, he can destory us simply by leaving us in the grave and not resurecting us.
Because we are truly dead when we die. Even as Jesus said he was dead, and “now” alive for evermore after his resurection not before, because he was truly dead.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Hi Jodi,
Yes you have spent considerable time defining Satan, the evil one, the devil, the serpent of old and the dragon.
But you have yet to see your definitions are not correct.
Hi Gene,
Yes that is what you believe.
Tell us of Sheol, Hades, the pit, Tartarus and the bosom of Abraham.
All Jewish superstition and Greek mythology in your opinion despite the massive presence in scripture?
The hope is to be clothed in the new body and not just a naked soul facing judgement
Nick…A human soul is simply a body with t h e breath of life in it, nothing more nothing less. Unless you attain unto the resurection you are gone forever. Life does not go on after death, as pagan religions believe.
I tell you if God the Father didn’t raise Jesus from the grave he still would be dead. Why do you even think the resurection from the grave is even preached, in the first place, if not required for us to live again.
Your false assumptions have people still living after they die, which scripture denies, the dead know nothing their thoughts parish when they die, there is no memeory in the grave, no more works, it’s all done. You completely cease to function in any capacity, no matter what pagan religions say Nick. There is no neither world where people are going around still living as if they were not dead, that all false religion Nick.
Peace and love to you and yours. ….gene
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