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Hi LU,
I know that you do not accept that Jesus was a vessel for God because you think he that he is a god.
But after the Jordan he is said to be full of the Spirit. Lk4.1
And 2 Cor 5.19 tells us God was IN Christ.
Vessels are containers. 2tim 2
Perhaps you do not see men as vessels but then you do not believe he is a man.2 Cor 4.7
Hi LU,
So God took a woman’s ovum and somehow formed a body for the Spirit to dwell in?
So was this body actually male coming from just the genes of a woman?
Was this man created without a human soul and spirit?
Nick,
you asked:
So God took a woman’s ovum and somehow formed a body for the Spirit to dwell in?
Do you expect Him to use her rib? It would not be impossible. We aren’t really told how God prepared the male body for the eternal Spirit of the Son to dwell in but we are told that He did and it was of the seed of David. It was said of Mary that she conceived. I believe that it is safe to assume that involved her ovum. I know that the ovum only contributes an X chromosome but if God can make a man out of clay, I don’t believe that it would be impossible for Him to make a man out of an ovum. He made a woman out of a man’s rib.
Was this man created without a human soul and spirit? The body was as human as Adam’s body, the eternal Spirit of the Son was brought forth to dwell in the body as the spirit of the body.
Nick,
you said:
But after the Jordan he is said to be full of the Spirit. Lk4.1
And 2 Cor 5.19 tells us God was IN Christ.
21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are IN me and I am IN you. May they also be IN us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23I IN them and you IN me—so that they may be brought to complete unity.
We see here that the Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father and believers are IN them. Everyone is a vessel it seems. The Father is a vessel for the Son and believers. Hmmm…think about that one.
Hi Nick
Scriptures like this Nick? the prophets seem to say He is like the Prophet to come.
and declare the works of the Lord God”
Deuteronomy 18 and Psalms 118
Deuteronomy 18:18, Torah
[God said to Moses,] “I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like you [Moses], and will put My words in his mouth; and he will speak to them all that I will command him.”John 12:49 – 50, Gospel
[And thus Jesus said,] “I have not spoken of myself; but the Father who sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that His commandment is life everlasting; whatever I speak therefore, even as the Father said to me, so I speak.”Acts 3:22 – 23, Gospel
[Thus] Moses truly said to the fathers, “The Lord your God will raise up a prophet to you from your brothers, like me; you will hear him in all things whatsoever he will say to you. And it will come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, will be destroyed from among the people.”Deuteronomy 18:19 – 20, Torah
[For God had said to Moses,] “It will come to pass, [that] whoever will not hear My words which he will speak in My name, I will require [it] from him. But the prophet, who will presume to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who will speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet will die.”Mark 12:10 – 11, Gospel
[And thus Jesus said,] “Have you not read this Scripture; ‘The stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner. This was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes?'”Psalms 118:17 – 23, Torah
[It reads,] I will not die, but live, and declare the works of the Lord [God]. The Lord [God] has chastened me sore, but He has not given me over to death. Open the gates of righteousness to me, I will go into them, [and] I will praise the Lord [God]. This gate of the Lord [God], into which the righteous will enter. I will praise You [O God], for You have heard me, and have become my salvation. The stone [which] the builders refused has become the head of the corner. This is the Lord [God’s] doing; it [is] marvelous in our eyes.Psalms 41:2, Torah
[And thus] the Lord [God] will preserve him, and keep him alive; [and] he will be blessed upon the earth, and You will not deliver him to the will of his enemies.1 Chronicles 16:22, Torah
[For God said], “Do not touch My anointed [ones], and do My prophets no harm.”Psalms 20:6, Torah
[So] now I know that the Lord [God] saves His Messiah; He will hear him from His holy heaven with the saving strength of His right hand.Psalms 28:8, Torah
[Thus] the Lord [God is] their strength, and He [is] the saving strength of His Messiah.Luke 24:44, Gospel
[So Jesus] said to them, “These [are] the words which I spoke to you, while I was with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the Psalms, concerning me.”God bless Nick
Good Morning LU,
The human spirit is his mind, his character, his thoughts, his knowledge, his beliefs and understandings and it dwells within the HUMAN BRAIN of which Jesus had. This human brain God placed His Spirit upon. This human brain is what processes the desires of the flesh and where temptation comes and Jesus was able to deny that temptation through God’s Spirit, not through having a pre-existing spirit.
What you say destroys the gospel!!
Jesus is our example to what God can accomplish in a human spirit. We look to God to help our spirit with temptation, and we have faith in God because we know it worked for Jesus. Jesus said that he could do nothing of himself, this is because he had a human spirit, he declared that he could do nothing of himself, AFTER the Spirit descended upon him. After the Spirit of God was working in Jesus his human spirit was sent out to be tested. To say that Jesus was flesh but had the spirit of a pre-existing son is completely antichrist.
Christ means a human spirit anointed with God’s Spirit. We likewise want God to anoint our spirit with His as He did Jesus. This is WHY Jesus is our example, this is why Jesus is our true brother, this is why Jesus is our MEDIATOR, and is able to be a righteous judge over us, as he had a spirit that could be tempted just like us, he knows what it was like.
As a human being Jesus had NO ADVANTAGE over us, he was like us in EVERY WAY, the only difference is that God GAVE him the Spirit without measure. We want the gifts of the Spirit as well. But if you say that Jesus did not have a human spirit, then like I said, you destroy the gospel, the good news that God will make us as He did Jesus, and that is to anoint a human spirit with that of God’s and to GIVE eternal life to us as He did Jesus. Jesus is the firstborn of the dead, the first to rise from the sleep of death, many are to follow and be as he currently is. To say anything otherwise destroys the good news spoken of in 1 Corinthians 15.
Anthony, good post brother. You are comming to see JESUS as a human being just as we are, who as we recived the anointing spirit from his God and our God , his father and our father. Bless you brother.
Peace and love to you and yours……gene
Jodi…. You nailed it, PERFECTLY EXPLAINED, Your last post is exactly right, We were made exactly as he was in every way at birth, and in the resurection, He is our (exact) example of how to be at one with the FATHER. The firstborn of (MANY BROTHERS) from the grave, in the, (FAMILY OF GOD).
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Hi Anthony,
Well done in your study of the OT.
Yes having found he is a prophet should help you see he was not divine, unless you think all prophets are divine.
This blessed and holy man was given the fullness of the Spirit, above all other prophets.
And like other High Priests, he is taken from among the people.
Hi Jodi,
The Spirit given to natural men returns to God at death, but the soul awaits judgement.
Why do you not use the word SOUL as scripture uses it?
The human brain does not feature in scripture does it, so should we add our ideas to what is written?
Hi Nick,
As a matter of fact both spirit and soul are used interchangeably to represent life and the mind. I have given this to you before and it is NOT MY IDEA!! It is how they are defined using the lexicon and as well it can be readily scene in the scriptures.
What on earth do you mean the brain does not feature into scripture???? How else would Jesus know to choose the good from the evil? How about, “5 Let this MIND be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus”. The mind of Jesus had to be filled with the Spirit of wisdom, knowledge, understanding etc…
Our MIND lives in our brain, when our body dies, our brain dies, and when our brain dies we no longer learn,have thoughts, feelings, or desires, we do not decide, plan, act, hear, see, smell, taste, touch, or speak. There is no behavior good nor bad, we are DEAD.
OT soul nepesh
soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
living being
living being (with life in the blood)
the man himself, self, person or individual
seat of the appetites
seat of emotions and passions
activity of mind
dubious
activity of the will
dubious
activity of the character
dubiousOT spirit ruwach
wind, breath, mind, spirit
breath
wind
of heaven
quarter (of wind), side
breath of air
air, gas
vain, empty thing
spirit (as that which breathes quickly in animation or agitation)
spirit, animation, vivacity, vigour
courage
temper, anger
impatience, patience
spirit, disposition (as troubled, bitter, discontented)
disposition (of various kinds), unaccountable or uncontrollable impulse
prophetic spirit
spirit (of the living, breathing being in man and animals)
as gift, preserved by God, God’s spirit, departing at death, disembodied being
spirit (as seat of emotion)
desire
sorrow, trouble
spirit
as seat or organ of mental acts
rarely of the will
as seat especially of moral character
Spirit of God, the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
as inspiring ecstatic state of prophecy
as impelling prophet to utter instruction or warning
imparting warlike energy and executive and administrative power
as endowing men with various gifts
as energy of life
as manifest in the Shekinah glory
never referred to as a depersonalised forceNT soul psuche
breath
the breath of life
the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing 1a
of animals 1a
of men
life
that in which there is life
a living being, a living soul
the soul
the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)
the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)NT spirit pneuma
- sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the \\Holy\\ Spirit)
- sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of \\Truth\\)
- never referred to as a depersonalised force
- the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
- the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
- the soul
ALSO,
OT heart/mind leb
inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding
inner part, midst
midst (of things)
heart (of man)
soul, heart (of man)
mind, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory
inclination, resolution, determination (of will)
conscience
heart (of moral character)
as seat of appetites
as seat of emotions and passions 1a
as seat of courageOT heart/mind lebab
inner man, mind, will, heart, soul, understanding
inner part, midst
midst (of things)
heart (of man)
soul, heart (of man)
mind, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory
inclination, resolution, determination (of will)
conscience
heart (of moral character)
as seat of appetites
as seat of emotions and passionsNT heart kardia
the heart
that organ in the animal body which is the centre of the circulation of the blood, and hence was regarded as the seat of physical life
denotes the centre of all physical and spiritual life
the vigour and sense of physical life
the centre and seat of spiritual life
the soul or mind, as it is the fountain and seat of the thoughts, passions, desires, appetites, affections, purposes, endeavours
of the understanding, the faculty and seat of the intelligence
of the will and character
of the soul so far as it is affected and stirred in a bad way or good, or of the soul as the seat of the sensibilities, affections, emotions, desires, appetites, passions
of the middle or central or inmost part of anything, even though inanimateNick, the soul that sins shall die according to Jesus. This is because when a person dies their LIFE ceases to exist in every way, that is what death is, and thus all their plans and thoughts likewise perish. As a mortal you cannot ESCAPE sin nor death, the fear of death has us in chains it has us bound, the wicked go to the grave in chains, as there is NO ESCAPE when they are going down to the grave, and there is no escape when they rise from the dead and have to face the second death.
21 Before I go whence I shall not return, even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death;
DEATH is a land of darkness, it is empty/void, no thoughts no feelings no desires, NO MIND.
Those who went down to the land of darkness did so in chains, there is no escaping death, and when they arise they are still in their chains as the shall fear the second death.
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Those that died having the promise are raised to eternal life, they are FREE from sin and from death not held in chains by it.
Hi Jodi,
You really think that the mind is dependant on the body to function?
No mind and heart are of the soul. Their function is not lost by the death of the human body.
The rich man died but was able to understand his situation in Hades. Nathan was awakened but still able to converse.
Hi Jodi,
You do not seem to understand the gift of eternal life that God gives to the anointed ones.
The first death has no power over the soul and a soul enlivened by the eternal Spirit cannot suffer the second death.
Yes, God is in the business of saving souls as the soul can be destroyed. But the spirit goes back to God who gave it.
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