Firstborn of/over all creation

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  • #832212
    Anthony
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    Hi Nick

    But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
    God bless Nick
    #832214
    Anthony
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    Nick that’s where Jesus Christ  went to Haven to be glorified so the Spirit of Christ must of came from there Nick  the Spirit of Christ must of      came from where the Son went. Ya let me think ( heaven.) That is The Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. The Spirit of Christ. Can you agree to that?

    God bless Nick

    #832215
    Anthony
    Participant

    Nick the Spirit is His on Spirit it’s not like there three Nick it’s His owe Spirit and the Father’s no Nick He spoke for Him self seeing that it’s the Spirit of Christ  there not another Spirit as the Trinity speaks. Hello

    God bless

    #832216
    NickHassan
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    Hi Anthony,

    Yes being led by the servant Spirit of Christ is essential to membership in the Body of Christ.

     

    #832217
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    His own human spirit left him at Calvary.

    Read the accounts in Matthew, Luke and John.

    The Spirit of anointing is faithful and never leaves.

    The Spirit of Life gives eternal life to the anointed ones.

    #832219
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    Listen to the Spirit.

    John 3.13

    No one has ascended into heaven, but he who has descended from heaven: the Son of man.

     

    #832220
    Anthony
    Participant

    I will read them Nick which ones? Do we agree what I posted about the Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit the Spirit of Christ?

    God bless Nick

    #832221
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    Prov 30.4

    Who has ascended into heaven and descended?

    …What is His name or His Son’s name?

    Surely you know?

     

    The Spirit of God. We will come to you.

    #832222
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    Read them all. They witness to each other.

    #832225
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    You say he spoke for himself?

    Jn 3.34

    For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God.

    #832226
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    Yes the Spirit had come from heaven and the anointed man Jesus returned there in his new body and shared the Spirit of Christ with all who believed him and obeyed his commands.

    Nothing has changed since Pentecost and a few men are added daily to the Body of Christ.

    #832239
    Anthony
    Participant

    Hi Nick.    You said:

    Hi Anthony,

    His own human spirit left him at Calvary.

    Read the accounts in Matthew, Luke and John.

    The Spirit of anointing is faithful and never leaves.

    The Spirit of Life gives eternal life to the anointed ones.

    I read and study these scriptures and more.  I can agree with you that Jesus Christ spirit went to His Father and that His body laid in the grave till His resurrection. I don’t believe that He preached in hell like some say. Just like us, our spirit goes back from where it came from to the Father. We also lay in the grave till our resurrection.  Just like Jesus Christ.

    God bless so we can agree about somethings. Thanks

    #832240
    Anthony
    Participant

    Nick.    I believe the spirit that goes back to the Father is called “the breath of God or the breath of life”

    God blessNick

    #832242
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    To all….THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, is the spirit of the anointing. The anointing spirit of God, which Jesus recieved at the Jordan river when his was baptized.

    Peace and love to you all and yours. ……gene

    #832248
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    God has given you light because you have been like the Bereans and compared verses-see also 2 Cor 13.1 and witnessing verses.

    So Jesus no longer lives by his human spirit but you know he is alive in the Spirit as with all the anointed ones.

    Reading psalm 16 and 18, Acts 2 27-31 and taking into account the 71 verses about Sheol or Hades in the OT you may get light on 1Peter 3.18-20.

    Never stop searching with an open mind.

     

    #832249
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    Yes the spirit of a man is from the breath of God and it returns to Him when we die.

    Muvh confusion exists among those who do not understand these things.

    #832252
    Anthony
    Participant

    hi Nick ya I have alittle understanding  I agree with you on that. God bless Nick

    #832277
    Anthony
    Participant

    Hi Gene

    This is a link on Gnostic:

    http://www.humanreligions.info/gnosticism.html#Adoptionism

    I hope this helps on  what I was saying about Gnostics.

    God bless. Anthony

    #832294
    Jodi
    Participant

    Anthony,

    I have had a very busy week at work and haven’t been able to post. I have spent sometime going through your interpretations of scripture though.

    I had addressed the first part of the post you addressed to me you responded and I responded back but do not see another response, maybe I missed it.

    Let’s go back to it and then I’d like to discuss Hebrews chapter 2.

    You said, “And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” 1 Timothy 3:16 – Webster’s Translation”

    Then I stated the below and then followed up telling you that I pulled “made known” and “rendered righteous” from looking up manifested and justified in the lexicon. So below is not my interpretation by any means, it is the pure definition of the passage. You are defining those words through your own opinion against the definition given. I AM NOT. Furthermore what I gave is directly spoken elsewhere in scripture. 

    You want me to believe that God was made flesh, but this god now a man in the flesh can do nothing of himself, he even states himself that he is not good?

    I am suppose to believe this when we are told that God is not able to change and is one that cannot be tempted?  You want us to believe that God did change and became a man that could be tempted?

    Likewise we are told not to make God into an image of a mortal man, but you want us to believe that God became a mortal man? We are told that the mortal man is to be made into the image of God, not God is to be made into the image of man.

    Jesus was seen as a man who did not follow his own will, nor speak his own words, his deeds were that of God’s deeds and his words were that of God’s words, so in Jesus God was made known to us and was visible.

    We are told from prophecy that God would make Himself known to us by anointing a son of Solomon, and that this Son of Man, God would MAKE into His own Son. We are told that mortals are made into the Sons of God through being anointed with God’s Spirit. We are told that mortals receive the kingdom of God by being born of water and of the Spirit.

    We are not told ever that a Son of God is to be changed into a mortal man. 

    Matthew 20: 22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. 23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

    As stated before,

    God WAS MADE KNOWN (manifested) in JESUS, he was RENDERED RIGHTEOUS (justified) in the Spirit, he is seen by angels, and he is preached to the Gentiles, and he was received UP INTO GLORY as he had RECEIVED ETERNAL LIFE.

    1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and GAVE HIM GLORY; that your faith and hope might be in God.

    Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

    Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

    God was not made into flesh Anthony that is not what Paul said in that verse. You CANNOT USE that verse for your defense, maybe you want to try and find another one? Paul said that God was made known, made visible in the flesh, and this flesh was rendered righteous through God’s Spirit. Peter tells us that through Jesus we are to believe in God. We see from other passages that through Jesus God is made known and visible, because Jesus speaks God’s words and not his own.

    Let’s cover Hebrews and then the  “I AM” business.

    You are claiming in Hebrews that the “he” must represent or be referring to a pre-existing son. did you ever consider that the “he” being spoken about is the same exact “he” in the first half of the chapter? ..the resurrected Jesus? 

    The “HE” is your RULER, the “HE” is your SAVIOR, the “HE” is the one who holds your life in his hands, having been appointed by God to JUDGE YOU!!

    The “HE” that shared in our humanity, the “HE” that had flesh and blood, is the resurrected Jesus appointed to rule and be your judge, who sits at the right hand of God.

    Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    Paul had warned that people would deny that this ruler and judge, that sits at God’s right hand, would be made into a false image. People would reject the Son of God and his identity, to that of a perfect man. Hebrews 2 is telling you that your JUDGE was in fact a human in the flesh.

    When speaking of our great judge we are being reminded many times that he is of the seed of David, that he had come in the flesh. Only gross misinterpretation tells you that a pre-existing son came in the flesh. What is always occurring in passages is that the Son that currently sits  at God’s right hand did in fact come in the flesh of the seed of David.  This is specifically being told to us so that we DO NOT CREATE a FALSE CHRIST.

    Anthony verses that are speaking of YOUR SAVIOR the resurrected MAN, you are changing to be speaking of a pre-existing son. You are changing a passage that is specifically speaking of the man that was made perfect into a pre-existing Son. You have no right to do that.

    He that was made lower than the angels is referring to the man that currently sits at God’s right hand, NOT a pre-existing son was made lower than the angels.

    Hebrews is making sure that you know that your judge that sits in heaven was in fact of flesh and blood, just like us. This message is profound, we have a judge that can sympathize with us, which is exactly what Paul tells us again later in Hebrews! But you want us to focus on how Jesus is great, not because he was a man just like us and then was resurrected from the dead, but because he was a god who was willing to become a man. You take away the glory of Jesus and our own glory, distorting the very way in which we are to see our redemption.

    I will have to post on “I Am” later today.

    #832297
    Anthony
    Participant

    Hi Jodi

    God  bless I’ll wait to you  reply, when you get done with the” I Am” .

    Anthony

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