Firstborn of/over all creation

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  • #832043
    Anthony
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    More Nick

    by the way, there’s only one Spirit.

    “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.” Matthew 18:20

    Wherefore, the scriptures prove that “the Spirit of Christ” is “the Spirit of God” as the omnipresent Spirit who indwells true New Testament believers. If Jesus is only a mere man, then how can you explain how Jesus can be in the midst of multiple congregations around the world all at once as the indwelling Spirit if he is only a man?

    Furthermore, how can God’s true Church be called “the bride of Christ” when the scriptures say we have only “One Husband?”

    “For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD (YHWH) of hosts (Isaiah 54:5).”

    “I betrothed you to ONE HUSBAND, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ (2 Cor. 11:2).”

    If Christ is not the only true “God manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit” (1 Tim. 3:16) then we have two Spirit Husbands. Yet Paul wrote that we have “ONE HUSBAND” as we will be presented “as a pure virgin to Christ.” That makes Jesus Yahweh God who came to save us as a man through the Hebrew virgin.

    “For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD (YHWH) of hosts (Isaiah 54:5).”

    Hosea 2:19 and Jer. 31:32 also state that the only true God is our spiritual Husband.
    Arians (Jesus is an angel), Jodi (Jesus is just a man), and Trinitarians (Jesus is one of 3 Divine Persons) cannot explain how the church is presented to “ONE HUSBAND” who is Jesus Christ because inspired scripture calls the only true God the Father our husband (“the LORD YHWH” is “your husband” – Isaiah 54:5).

    Can two or three divine persons be “one husband?” “I betrothed you to ONE HUSBAND, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ (2 Cor. 11:2).” Can a mere man replace God as our “ONE HUSBAND” while our Heavenly Father expressly said that He is our husband?

    Hebrews 1:3 and Hebrews 2:17 prove that the Spirit of God also became a true man by the Holy Spirit of the only true God descending upon the virgin (Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:18-23).

    1 Corinthians 10:1-4 (NASB) says, “… our fathers WERE all under the CLOUD and all passed through the SEA; 2and all WERE BAPTIZED into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3and all ATE the same SPIRITUAL FOOD; 4and all DRANK the same SPIRITUAL DRINK, for they WERE DRINKING from A SPIRITUAL ROCK WHICH FOLLOWED THEM, and the ROCK WAS CHRIST.”

    Paul clearly stated by inspiration that the Israelite fathers “WERE under the cloud” (the Spirit of God) “and all ATE the same SPIRITUAL FOOD.” And they all “WERE BAPTIZED in the cloud and in the sea” (they experienced a type of water and Spirit baptism), “and all DRANK” from the Spirit of God. “For they WERE DRINKING from a Spiritual Rock which FOLLOWED THEM, and the ROCK WAS CHRIST.”

    Notice that the text says that “they were drinking from a Spiritual Rock which FOLLOWED THEM.” Could the Israelites have not ate and drank from the same spiritual food and drink while the scriptures say that they did? Since inspired scripture says that “they were drinking from a Spiritual Rock which FOLLOWED them,” we know that the “spiritual rock” is not talking about the literal rock at Horeb. Could the literal rock at Horeb have “FOLLOWED THEM” in the wilderness? Do literal rocks follow people?

    We know that “the cloud by day and fire by night” followed the Israelites which clearly speaks of the Spirit of God which “WAS CHRIST” before his birth at Bethlehem. Thus the Holy Spirit of the only true God the Father also became a man within the Hebrew virgin. For 2 Peter 1:21 says the Holy Spirit was in the prophets but 1 Peter 1:11 identifies that Spirit as “the Spirit of Christ” “in them” (in the prophets).

    1 Corinthians 10:9 then says, “We should not test Christ (the Greek text says “Christos”), as some of them did–and were killed by snakes.”

    Inspired scripture says that some of the Israelites did “test Christ.” For the words, “as some of them DID” could not somehow be interpreted to mean that they did not “test Christ.” How could some of the Israelites have tested Christ if Christ did not pre-exist as the Holy Spirit of the only true God who “followed them” (the Israelite fathers) in the wilderness?

    Our Heavenly Father is repeatedly spoken of in scripture as being the Israelites Rock.

    Psalm 18:2 says, “The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.”

    Deuteronomy 32:18, “You neglected the Rock who begot you, And forgot the God who gave you birth.”

    Psalm 18:31, “For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God,”

    Psalm 18:46, “The LORD lives, and blessed be my rock; And exalted be the God of my salvation,”

    Psalm 19:14, “Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart Be acceptable in Your sight, O LORD, my rock and my Redeemer.”

    Psalm 28:1, “A Psalm of David. To You, O LORD, I call; My rock,”

    The LORD (YAHWEH) is repeatedly addressed as the Israelites Rock (“my rock” and “our rock”). When the apostles identified Christ as the Spiritual Rock of the Israelites, they proved that Jesus Christ pre-existed his virgin conception and birth as Yahweh the Spirit of our Heavenly Father.

    Heb.1:2 says that God did not speak to the Israelites through “a son” until these “last days” because Jesus pre-existed his birth as God “the Spiritual Rock that FOLLOWED THEM” before becoming a son. Since the literal rock at Horeb did not “follow them” (the Israelites), nor supply spiritual drink (“they drank from that spiritual rock that followed them and that rock was Christ”), we know that Jesus pre-existed his birth as a child born and son given as the Spirit of God who followed the Israelites in the wilderness who “was Christ.” Therefore we know that the Spiritual Rock that followed the Israelites “was Christ” as God before becoming a human son.

    Some have admitted that Jesus Christ is the indwelling Holy Spirit, they now have to explain how a mere man can now “fill all things” as the Holy Spirit of the Father without violating Isaiah 42:8 and Isaiah 46:9.

    “I am Yahweh, that is My Name, and My glory will I not give to another.”

    “I am God and there is none else, I am God and there is NONE LIKE ME.”

    How can Jesus be like God in being the omnipresent Spirit who “fills all things” (Gal. 4:6, Romans 8:9, Ephes. 4:10) and hears and answers prayer (John 14:13) if he is only a mere man?

    John 5:23 says that all men should “honour the Son EVEN AS THEY HONOUR THE FATHER.” If Jesus is just a man with no pre-existence as God, how then can we honour the Son “even as” we “honour the Father” without committing idolatry?

    John 10:37 clearly affirms that Jesus does the works of the Father. Since “there is none like” God he must be that God who came to save us as a true man. Hence, Jesus Christ is Immanuel, “God with us” manifested as a human “child born” and “son given.” God bless. In Him and Him in me  Anthony

    #832044
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    God was manifest in the flesh.

    Do you not yet understand that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself?

    #832045
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    Yes there is only one Spirit.

    And in the one Spirit you can fellowship with the Father and the Son.

    11jn 1,2jn9. Jn 14.23

    #832046
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    Why do you doubt that the Son of man is now one with the Spirit of his Father God and able to manifest anywhere?

    ‘We will come to you’

     

    #832047
    Anthony
    Participant

    Nick your still not getting it that Jesus Christ pre-existed.  that didn’t proof that to you. I think that was pretty simple that He did pre-existe  God bless you are out right denying scriptures.

    #832048
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    “Before Abraham I AM”

    Do you agree with the blind pharisees that here Jesus was claiming to be his Father God?

    If you knew the voice of the Spirit you would know it was the Father speaking through him.

    In these last days God has spoken to us through His Son. Heb 1

     

    #832049
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    No you do not recognise the words of the Spirit and only hear with natural ears.

    #832050
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    Jesus began life by conception and Mary was really his mother.

    Once he was anointed from above the Spirit started speaking through him.

    Natural men only see and hear the human vessel and that is why we must be born again.

    #832051
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    You cannot even see the kingdom till you are reborn from above.

    Seek ye first the kingdom..

    #832052
    Jodi
    Participant

    Anthony,

    That is not my interpretation, but the meaning to the original words! Use your lexicon and look it up,  both manifested and justified are defined exactly how I said!

    God CANNOT become flesh and be tempted, you have absolutley no clue as to who the Father and Son are.

    Romans 1 talks about turning the image of God to a mortal man, and He is bring wrath to those who make Him into such an image!!

     

     

    #832053
    Anthony
    Participant

    Nick you can’t even see that He was speaking through His only begotten Son back them it was the Spirit of Jesus Christ as scriptures tell us. God bless Jesus Christ is more then just  a man. can’t you see that, that his birth is way different then ours. His Father was God. And the Spirit over shadow the Virgin Mary. Send by God. God bless Nick

    #832054
    Anthony
    Participant

    Jodi did you even read what I wrote your not really saying anything about the scriptures I used  or proofing that Jesus Christ didn’t pre-existed what’s up? God bless.

    #832060
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    Scripture tells us he was a man, but you tend to disagree?

    Greek theology would prefer that he be a god.

    Can you follow him?

    #832089
    Anthony
    Participant

    Hi Nick

    The New Testament is full of references to the divinity of Christ, it’s difficult to deny. But you will, your doctorine is in- bedded in your mind you need to cast out that spirit of doctorine. I’ll send the Scripture’s if you want, I don’t think it will do any good right now. God bless Nick.

    #832132
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Anthony. . Show us a single scripture where Jesus ever sai, “I was (alive) before Abraham.” Jesus saying I am before Abraham, is a far cry from saying he was “ALIVE” before Abraham was. But trinitarians are good at streaching the truth to fit their doctrines, arn’t they?

    2 comandment….”You shall have (NÒ) other God besides me.” But you people say we will have as many God’s as we want.

    You willfully violate God’s commandments, and create other Gods, that called idolatry. IMO.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #832134
    Anthony
    Participant

    Hi Gene   for one thing I’m not a trinitarians. You read what I wrote about Abraham and Jesus Christ go back and read it again Gene. I like share this one with you, about Jesus Christ pre-existing.

     

    And now, O Father, glorify Me together [b]with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. God bless Gene hang in there

    #832135
    Anthony
    Participant

    “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! Gene do you believe that a man just like you can do this because your anointed just like the man Jesus Christ was, so you say. God bless in Him Anthony

    #832137
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Anthony. …in fact if it wasen’t a man just like me, infact exactly like me that did not sin, his death could never take away sins, for by man sin intered into this world and by a man it was atoned fore. But yoybelieve it was a a preexisting God or demagod of some kind that did it.

    Moving Jesus’ (exact idenity) with mankind in any way denys not only who he is, but destorys his work as a human being exactly like us, only without sin. He is God the Father perfected human being, which is what God has planned for us all. The same God who perfected the man Jesus will also perfect us as his brothers and sisters.

    We do not move Jesus’ idenity with us away from us at all, in anyway.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #832138
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Anthony,

    The choice of an unblemished Lamb was from the flock of mankind.

    Surely you can understand this?

    #832144
    Lightenup
    Participant

    The Great Shepherd became the unblemished Lamb. The originator of creation also became the Savior of creation.

    1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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