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LU….There you go Jodi has laid it out clearly. Hope you and others here are giving this a serious consideration.
Peace and love to you and yours. ….gene
Good Morning LU,
Here is what Isaiah SAW, he saw the ARM of the LORD that men rejected, A MAN that shed his blood for you.
Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
John 12: 37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: 38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
The LORD CREATED the one that is called by HIS NAME, He formed him and He made him.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Hebrew 5:9 And BEING MADE PERFECT, he BECAME the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Isaiah 43: 1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine. 2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. 3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. 4 Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life. 5 Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; 6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth; 7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
LU you have failed utterly to show that Jesus existed as Jehovah. You say that Jehovah represents both the Father and the Son. SHOW me where in scripture it is the Father speaking as Jehovah and where it is the son speaking as Jehovah?
NOTICE that Jehovah brings forth a son from a virgin as a sign. He does not say that He sends Himself, nor a pre-existing son to be born of a virgin. Notice that Jehovah had said that man would come in HIS NAME. Coming in someone’s name is not coming as them, it means that you are the messenger of the person, you come to speak for them, you come to perform their will, which is precisely what the man Jesus did.
Isaiah 7: 12 But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD. 13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. 15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. 16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
Psalms 89:19 Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people.
The LORD did NOT send down Jehovah, he exalted one CHOSEN OUT of the PEOPLE, He laid His Spirit upon him working perfection, and when he died he was raised receiving again the LORD’s Spirit being given eternal life.
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
LU when will you start recognizing that the passages you pull out and say they mean something don’t FIT at all with so many other clear passages? They don’t even fit with the rest of the chapter that you pulled them from.
Jesus is to bring us to have faith in God through believing that Jesus is in fact a human that was raised from the dead. Jesus is to bring us to have faith in God, by seeing the power of the Spirit of God that God can cause man to be righteous and thus deserving of eternal life. God gave the law so that we could see right from wrong, the law Paul says was a tutor leading us to Christ to the knowledge of an anointing. The history of the bible shows us that man cannot of himself be righteous attempting to follow the law. Jesus tells us that we must be as he was born of water and of the Spirit to reach the kingdom. Jesus did not pre-exist already in that kingdom, he was in FACT as scripture clearly states perfected through an anointing. By that perfection he inherited his father King David’s kingdom, who God had promised to David would be an eternal kingdom.
LU you and other’s are blind to the entire message of the bible, you seem to only focus on Jesus being of glory because he pre-existed. You want us to honor Jesus because he was as you say an eternal son who came to earth to save us by transforming into a human. You deny so many scriptures that tell you precisely why Jesus has glory and it is in the fact that he is the Son of Man having been born of God and receiving eternal life. Jesus has glory because he is of the tribe of Judah a child of Israel and he has fulfilled and will continue to fulfill the promises God had made to his fathers David and Abraham. He is a Son of MAN BECOMING a Son of God by being born of God. Those BORN of God cannot sin. Jesus as a mortal man was tempted but he did not sin because God was leading him through the power and wisdom of His Spirit.
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
LU how is it that Jesus said he CAME NOT to DO HIS WILL but the Father’s will? If Jesus himself is also Jehovah? If Jehovah sent himself to be a man wouldn’t he be following his own will? You say Jehovah came being sent to be a savior, scripture says the Son of Man CAME to give his life.
Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil,
LU Jehovah cannot be made into a mortal man, it is impossible. Jehovah cannot be tempted, but yet you want to say that he became a man that was tempted? Your are full of foolishness and are completely blind.
Jodi,
You quote Lk1:27-33 and you say” He SHALL BE called the Son of the Highest because he will on a certain DAY be BORN of God,” But why don’t you go on to vs 34,35 to see what your bible says? “Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” From this verse what is the reason he shall be called the Son of God? Is it because God is his actual father?-not Joseph whom she’s never known-being a virgin. What is therefore there for? except to tell you the reason he shall be called the Son of God. And that is because he is by birth according to this verse. It doesn’t say because on a certain DAY that he’ll be baptized, or resurrected and adopted as such, but because- The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee.
Either Jesus is Joseph’s son by adoption or God’s son by adoption? according to these verses and those in Matthew both scenarios can’t be true.
Edj,
“Are you claiming the bible is in error since the lineages are different?” it’s quite clear from what is written that both lineages claim to be of Joseph and yes as LU pointed out Luke’s version is supposedly of David’s son Nathan,but the promise of the throne was specifically through Soloman- 2 Sam7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.All kinds of reasons have been given since the beginning of Christianity for the differences in the lineages so it’s very much a matter of opinion. And neither line matches the OT 1 Chron 1-3 although Matthews is closer.
Anthony,
The child WAS said to have been BORN the SON of DAVID, and it was also said that the child born shall be called the Son of God.
Notice Anthony the passage says that God is going to give Jesus the throne of his father David. Jesus was born of the flesh as a son of David. The child that is born of the flesh that is the son of David shall be called the Son of God. How is it that a human in the FLESH can be a Son of God?
First Anthony you MUST believe that Jesus CAME in the FLESH and was of the seed of David and it was promised by God to David that his seed would receive his throne and reign for ever.
Jesus was MORTAL, he was in the flesh, how is he going to be able to obtain a throne for an eternity?
Well David also was given of God the promise that his seed would die but his flesh would not be allowed to see corruption, but it would be raised incorruptible.
How was it that Jesus was worthy of being raised from the dead? Was it because he pre-existed? Was it because he was born a special half human half god?
Absolutely NOT! Jesus was born a MORTAL in the FLESH of the SEED of DAVID, but so many on this forum seem to deny this. You do not have faith in God’s promise, you do not see with the eyes of David and what he saw, which was a true son, not some half breed to the likes of the heathen ideologies of mighty men, but his TRUE SON having died but then rose to sit upon his throne.
A HUMAN BEING on a certain day became born of God given God’s Spirit without measure. From Mary’s womb he came out being born a human, at the river Jordan he came forth out of the water being born again of the Spirit. On this DAY the Father beget Jesus and made him into the ONLY MORTAL MAN who did not commit sin.
Scripture tells us PRECISELY how it is that a human is called a Son of God.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
WHEN DOES Jesus quote these words of Isaiah Andrew? When did God put his Spirit upon Jesus and call him to righteousness and then send him out into the world to preach the gospel? Jesus quoted these words AFTER he had been anointed, and after he was anointed Jesus says that God sent him out into the world to preach the gospel and to heal.
What occurs upon Jesus preaching and healing?
People start to believe in God, they believe that Jesus is the promised Messiah, they start calling him the Son of God according to the PROMISE that God had made to David, where God WOULD BE a Father unto the son of David.
You want to turn a pre-existing son into a son of David.
The TRUTH is that the son of David, a Son of Man, became a Son of God.
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
The Son of Man became a Son of God, not a son of God became a man.
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
The new man is Jesus, and he was created in the image of the person who created him, who is God.
The image of God is IN the NEW MAN. Which makes sense because we are told that God made man in his own image. The MAN that He made in His own image was Jesus and He made him through anointing him with His Spirit.
Hebrews 5: 9 And being MADE perfect, he BECAME the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
The new man is a man that was MADE perfect. Those that are righteous are the Sons of God. You must be born of God to be righteous.
Everything that God made He made through and for the NEW MAN, not through and for a pre-existing son.
You say Andrew that the knowledge of the son of God is that the child born unto Mary was more than a human and that he pre-existed as a son.
Scripture says,
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
How Andrew do you just brush off all these verses?
The knowledge of the Son of God is held in a perfect MAN, a NEW MAN, that is the fullness of Christ, which makes perfect sense given OT prophecy, the promises of God, Paul’s words, and those of Jesus himself. A perfect man is made by being a man BORN of God’s Spirit, CHRIST represents a man being anointed with God’s Spirit.
ONCE AGAIN I would like to establish the difference from what I say and what you say Andrew.
You say that the son of God that existed before the world was became “partially” the seed of David. God sent a pre-existing son to save the world.
I say that the seed of David became the Son of God by being born again of God’s Spirit, which equates to his righteousness which in turn makes him a new man worthy of eternal life.
You say the Son of God is a pre-existing son.
I say the Son of God is a human being made perfect through an anointing of God’s Spirit.
Edj,
“Are you claiming the bible is in error since the lineages are different?” it’s quite clear from what is written that both lineages claim to be of Joseph
Hi Andrew,
Not so…
“as was supposed” indicates the lineage (in Luke) is that of Mary’s Father________________
God bless
Ed JAndrew….your religion dose not say “shall be” because you believe he already existed as a son of God before his berth on this earth if you are a trinitarian as LU is. Your trying to play a shell game with words as if the part proceeding those scriptures weren’t even in scripture, what you brought out in no way cancels the proceeding scriptures.
What Jodi quoted is perfectly clear, question is do you really believe those scriptures. If you do then why try to change them to meet a different understanding, especially with scriptures that doesn’t change anything. Jodi’s point is it was all “FUTURE TENSE” and was not speaking about someone who already existed before his berth on this earth, As LU and the trinitarians teach.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Isaiah 46: 9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
Isaiah 11: 1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Mark 9: 34 But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest. 35 And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.
37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.When you receive Jesus what you are doing is actually receiving NOT him, but God, this is because Jesus was a servant of God, a messenger of God, a mediator between us and God.
The purpose of Jesus was to bring us into having FAITH in the one true God.
What better way to build faith then by giving promises and then fulfilling those promises!
Mark 10: 17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
There is ONE that is GOOD and Jesus states clearly that it is NOT him. THE LORD is ONE, He is ONE person and when He is speaking that there is no one else but Him, He also speaks of the man that will execute His council.
LU and others you have NO CLUE who the Father is and who His Son is. You have put all of Isaiah words into pure vanity, so you can keep your Jesus into an image like that of a pagan god.
LU, Isaiah tells us that the LORD promised to bring forth a savior from among the people. When this human savior comes and is called a savior you call him the One True God Jehovah, that is pure foolishness. All your examples fall into this same ludicrous reasoning!
THE LORD does not speak saying that He sends himself to become a human, He does not say that He sends an already existing son to be a human. He says that He will BE a Father unto a human, and that He will MAKE this human into a firstborn Son. Jesus himself even quotes Isaiah identifying himself not as the LORD, but the HUMAN of whom the LORD promised He would send.
Isaiah 41:2 Who raised up the righteous man from the east, called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and made him rule over kings? he gave them as the dust to his sword, and as driven stubble to his bow. 3 He pursued them, and passed safely; even by the way that he had not gone with his feet. 4 Who hath wrought and done it, CALLING the GENERATIONS FROM the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
God did not send down a pre-existing son, He RAISED up a righteous man. This man’s righteousness came from heaven from the LORD’S Spirit. When Jesus was anointed with this Spirit he was sent out into the world, he was from heaven meaning he was SENT DIRECTLY BY GOD. Jesus told certain men that as he is not of this world THEY are LIKEWISE NOT OF THIS WORLD. The elect are FROM GOD, they CAME FROM HEAVEN.
From the beginning the LORD was calling the generations from the first generation to the last generation. From A to Z the generations came forth from God. He would RAISE up a righteous man, one chosen out of the people, and give the nations and their kings to him to rule and judge over them all from A to Z.
As a man having been perfected through suffering he is MADE into a high priest, he is able to judge righteously with understanding as he himself endured much temptation. Jesus will execute judgement upon all generations from A to Z. He was appointed by the LORD who made the A to Z, to judge the A to Z. When Jesus says I am the first and the last, he says I am he that was DEAD and NOW I am ALIVE. In Jesus is the resurrection, all will be raised and from A to Z Jesus will bring either DEATH or LIFE as he judges.
When Jesus has destroyed all wickedness and the last enemy death, he delivers the kingdom to his God and Father, and God therefore will be ALL in ALL. The Son of man perfected through suffering was appointed a king over kings by the King who is KING OVER ALL.
Jesus first comes from among the clouds to execute judgment, WHO is COMING?? The Son of MAN who was born of God is coming.
In Revelations how is Jesus identified as?
Faithful witness of the one TRUE GOD
The lamb of God
The man that was DEAD but is now ALIVE
I am the root and the offspring of David
To All….The true Gospel has been preached and presented here by JODI, accurately and truthfully. MAY GOD BLESS EVERYONE OF US HERE TO COMPREHEND AND EXCEPT IT. It’s time we all start comming into the unity of the true faith, TIME IS SHORT, IMO
Peace and love to you all and yours. ……gene
Hi Gene,
And the true faith includes the truth that Jesus brought from God,
the reality of Satan and his kingdom of darkness,
and eternal life in the Spirit.
Get the basics right and then we can build together
To All….The true Gospel has been preached and presented here by JODI, accurately and truthfully.
Hi Gene,
Are you falsely accusing the rest of us of presenting an untrue Gospel ?
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God bless
Ed JThank you Gene for you encouraging words of support.
Yes Ed J, I would say that others are presenting a false Christ and thus a false gospel.
A Christ identified as having glory and honor because he pre-existed eternally is a false Christ. Such is taught in most churches, where the focus is on how great God is for becoming a human in order to save us.
The truth is held when our focus relies on the belief that a human needs God’s Spirit, that a human must be born of God in order to reach His Kingdom.
Is the kingdom of God that of a promise of dwelling in a pre-existing son’s kingdom?..or is the kingdom of God the promise of dwelling in David’s kingdom?
The true Christ is identified as a Son of MAN having glory and honor for being perfected having been born of God’s Spirit.
Our focus is that Jesus is our human example, he now no longer has to deal with temptation, he has been FREED, and our hope is in the day that we are given that SAME FREEDOM.
Was Christ a pre-existing eternal son who became a human or half human?
or
Was the Christ a human in the flesh born again of God having received His Spirit?
Was everything created through and for an only pre-existing son?
or
Was everything created through and for the the second Adam, the new man, who represents the first of many?
Was Jesus called the “only begotten Son” because he pre-existed as a one and only child of God?
or
Was Jesus called the “only begotten Son” because he was the only mortal given God’s Spirit without measure, and thus was the only mortal that remained without sin?
Adam is said to have been begotten by God in the gospel of Luke, but when Adam sinned he was separated from God, he could no longer be seen as a Son, because as Paul tells us the children of God are those that are without sin.
The mortal Jesus became the “only begotten Son”, as it is said that it was the “only begotten Son” who had shed his blood.
An “only begotten son” did not turn into a human and then shed his blood.
The MORTAL who was MADE righteous, who was perfected DIED even though he was not deserving of death.
We are suppose to equate “only begotten Son” with a pre-existing son made into a human and God is great for sending us that pre-existing son to die?
NO!
When scripture says that God gave His “only begotten Son” to DIE and pay for our sins, it means something pretty darn significant!! Which many on this forum fail to comprehend. FINALLY there was a human that was righteous, FINALLY a human that followed God’s will and not the will of man. HERE HE IS a man MADE perfect by God, a man not worthy of the punishment of sin, but God turns him over to be mocked, beaten and nailed to the cross for us. HERE HE IS, a mortal man not worthy of death willing to die for us, putting his complete faith in God. His faith came through the works of the Spirit of God as a MORTAL born of God’s Spirit, not because he pre-existed being born of God prior.
The fact that we are SAVED comes through a man becoming the only begotten of God, who was then sent out into the world. When he was sent out, two things happened. One, people believed on him, they recalled God’s promises that of the seed of David a Son of man would be born of God and would become an eternal king over David’s throne. These people called him the Son of God because of the scripture in 2 Samuel, where God would be a Father to a son born to David. In the NT they did NOT call him the Son of God because they thought he pre-existed, they did not call him the son of God looking to him as a pagan god. They looked to him as a fulfilled promise. They listened to John speak, saying that the promise of God has been made flesh. Second, he would be rejected by others, others would plot against him, he would speak words of truth that the wicked would turn and condemn him to death for.
We are not saved because God sent a begotten pre-existing son. We are not saved because God sent a half breed god man. We are saved because God MADE a perfect human and then he was sacrificed for our sins. He was made perfect through being begotten by God. He was the one and only son that could bare our sins on the cross.
Edj..if what you say alines with what Jodi has clearly written, then no i am not saying that, but if it goes against what she has posted i would say you are not understanding the truth.
Edj, it time we start getting our ducks in a row here. No one here has “ALL” THE TRUTH ABOUT EVERTHING. But we should all be growing in knowledge and truth, but there are certain things we need to come into agreement with, and the basic understanding of the true JESUS, IS NEEDED BY ALL HERE, Jodi is dealing with this by presenting very clear scriptures to us all. We need to all have this basic knowledge clearly in our minds. I am not saying you don’t have it, but there are those here who really don’t.
Edj…it’s all about who Jesus really, Jesus said the deception would be about who he is, “for many would come in my name saying i am, and “DECIEVE MANY”, you see the deception would be about him, Jodi is presenting the real Jesus, we need to allget on board, time is short, remember the ten virgins five were wise and five were foolish, we must now buy (except), the extra oil for our lamps brother.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Jodi,
You are precious, you spend so much time trying to help! Thank you. However, none of your arguments disprove that the Son was not always a part of the one true God, Jehovah, the part that is the offspring part, who willingly became flesh and dwelt among us and lived a sinless life and died a prophetic death to pay that which He did not owe for our redemption so that we could be in a right relationship with both the Father and the Son. That “Part” is the one true God’s righteousness and His salvation. That “Part” is the second person of Jehovah. None of your scriptures disprove this.
From Mark 9 …and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.
Do you think that you can receiveth the Father apart from the Son? If not, then if you receiveth the Father, you also receiveth the Son. Can you have salvation apart from the Son? If not, then you might recognize a pattern here. The Son and Father are interdependent on each other for us to receive their fellowship, their salvation, their Spirit, their wisdom, their love. Can you have one without the other for those everlasting advantages, Jodi? If not, then you should see an interdependence there.
From Mark 10:…Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
You assume that this response implies that Jesus is not good and not God with us. It does not imply that, imo. Jesus asks questions to see if the Father is building faith. When the question is answered in a way that shows Jesus is more than just a man, Jesus tells them that they have faith. It might be an interesting study. Look at all the questions that Jesus asks and then look at the answers particularly the ones where Jesus mentions they have faith. Btw, you know that Jesus is good, don’t you. That is why you consider Him the Only Begotten Son because He was the only one good enough.
From what you have expressed, Jesus is the only begotten son because he was good enough. If he weren’t “good enough” then he could not be the only begotten son.
My understanding, Jesus is the only begotten son because He was the only offspring of the same kind as the Father that came out of the Father Himself before creation. He was “good enough” and always has been good enough because He is the same kind as the Father. Becoming flesh did not change the fact that Jesus is good enough and always has been and always will be. Faith is expressed in part by belief that Jesus will always be good enough, that Jesus will never let us down if we remain in Him.
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When this human savior comes and is called a savior you call him the One True God Jehovah, that is pure foolishness. All your examples fall into this same ludicrous reasoning!
You obviously miss my reasoning. He alone is not the One True God Jehovah. The Father is the one true God, Jehovah together with the Son and their Spirit (not apart from the Son and their Spirit). That is different than Jesus alone being the one true God Jehovah. Do you see that? What does the Father claim to do in the future for eternal results that doesn’t involve the Son in some major way??
God bless, LU
Hi LU,
Jesus is a man.
Jesus was conceived.
John was conceived in Elizabeth and he was conceived in Mary.
Mary is his mother as he was conceived of her just as any other man begins life by conception and none preexist.
John is a prophet of God and Jesus Christ is the great prophet spoken of by Moses and Peter, the messiah and the son of God.
You get confused with prophetic words about the Spirit of Christ.
Hi LU,
Your version?
Jesus is not a man but a god.
Jesus was not conceived but took on flesh.
Mary was not his mother and she did not contribute to his being.
John was a prophet but Jesus was not a prophet but a preexistent god in flesh.
Jesus was not the messiah or the Christ of God or the Son of God but was God.
Am I close?
LU…You are completely wrong, about who Jesus is, you’ve gone the wide path that leads to destruction, we are offering you the true way, i know it hard and not easy to chabge, after so long a time of indulging in the lies about Jesus you have be dealt, please take time and pray about it, time is short, he is near the door, repent while you can. Study what JODI has written, pray and let the truth come into you, while there is time. You don’t have to go down with the rest of those trinitarians, remember what it say , “come out of her my people, that you recieve not of her plagues”.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Gene,
You certainly do not have the faith to believe in the true and only begotten Son of God and that is clear by nearly every post you make on this topic. Open your heart and ask God to show you.
Muslims understand what it means when they are told that Jesus is the Son of God. They think that is impossible. They also lack faith but you can bet that they hear that Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God and don’t think Son of God = perfect man. Their response is “God does not beget.” Their response is not “a man cannot be perfect.”
Nick,
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Mary is his mother as he was conceived of her just as any other man begins life by conception and none preexist.
Not quite correct, Nick. Mary is Jesus’s mother according to His flesh only because the Holy Spirit supernaturally BROUGHT HIM FORTH into her ovum. Mary did conceive, that is correct but not by the normal means at all. The Son of God already existed before Mary conceived. He was merely brought forth into her ovum. He didn’t begin to exist in her ovum.
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