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God’s Holy Spirit intercedes to make a woman pregnant. Woman who were past age conceived, and it is said that it occurred through the hand of God. This is how John the baptist was conceived. Mary likewise was conceived through the hand of God, and according to Matthew just as in the OT prophecy he is of the seed of Abraham and David through Joseph.
1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
It’s right there in your FACE, but I see many trying hard to understand it to fit with a doctrine created by pagans, AKA “early church fathers”, who have tried to make Jesus fit into their pagan beliefs that mighty men are gods from heaven. Jesus was conceived through the power of the Holy Spirit, of which made him genetically the son of Joseph, the son of David, the son of Abraham. People presumed that Jesus was Joseph’s son by natural conception, and not through the Holy Spirit.
God promised the prophets that of the seed of David He would bring the Messiah, the beginning of Matthew states the generations of the Messiah starting with Abraham and ending with Joseph.
What?… you think that with God such is not possible? You don’t think that when scripture says, of the seed of David a savior “from among the people” would be born was a true prophecy? Isn’t that what Sarah tried to say about her own conception of Isaac? ..and God responded by saying, “Is it too hard for the LORD?”.
Kingship is established through the father’s blood line, Jesus was to be king of kings through the genes of David, and we are told that the Messiah was to rule over David’s kingdom by being his seed. Then we see in Matthew the Christ being connected genetically from Abraham to David. By both Abraham’s seed and David’s seed would COME the Messiah, of who would be from among the tribe of Judah. A human being just like Adam in every way, that was a descendant of David was to SHED his blood in order to pay for our sins.
If Jesus is anything but a human being that was perfected through being born of God’s Spirit you are still in your sins, the SACRIFICE would not count, it would be worthless, because by ONE MAN through disobedience sin and death came, and through another MAN righteousness and eternal life came. The Messiah came in the flesh as was promised, any other thoughts are antichrist, pre-existence antichrist, god the son antichrist. A Son of man BORN of God’s Spirit PERIOD is our savior. Why is this so hard to believe, why must God’s promise be tainted with false images of our Messiah?
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; where unto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
He received HONOR and GLORY when God spoke saying “this is my Son who I am well pleased”. This is when the Son of Man, the Son of God was SENT. Jesus did not pre-exist with honor and glory, his honor and glory was in God’s word from the beginning, when God promised eternal life to human beings, and that word was made flesh, not a pre-existing son was made flesh, that is a FABLE, it is a damnable heresy.
“Sure WORD of a PROPHECY” came TRUE, it was WITH God in the beginning, and spoken to prophets after the fall of man, and then BECAME PURE HUMAN FLESH as was promised.
Hi,
Jn 17.18
‘As you sent me into the world,
I also have sent them into the world.’
They were not sent from heaven into the world.
Hi T8,
Jesus was conceived of Mary.
If something preexisted it was not Jesus.
That’s right Nick,
Only Jesus’ spirit came from eternity. (Micah 5:2)
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God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
The Son of Adam was conceived, just like you and I. His conception was of the Holy Spirit.
His human spirit gave him life, just like our’s does, till it left him at his death on Calvary.
The Spirit of anointing, from the days of eternity, was given at the Jordan.
Ed J,
The coming forth of the ruler of Israel was spoken long ago to men before Micah, and his coming forth was established by God before He made the world.
As already presented to you, the word translated eternity does not solely represent eternity, and given countless other scriptures, eternity is not the correct translation, which other translators new.
owlam
long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world
ancient time, long time (of past)
(of future)
for ever, always
continuous existence, perpetual
everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternityMicah 5:2 (YLT) And thou, Beth-Lehem Ephratah, Little to be among the chiefs of Judah! From thee to Me he cometh forth — to be ruler in Israel, And his comings forth [are] of old, From the days of antiquity.
Micah 5:2 (ESV) But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days.
Micah 5:2 (GNT) The Lord says, “Bethlehem Ephrathah, you are one of the smallest towns in Judah, but out of you I will bring a ruler for Israel, whose family line goes back to ancient times.”
Hi Nick,
lol, I miss spoke, Mary conceived, and not sure why sometimes I can edit a post and why other times I cannot. That post doesn’t have an option for editing.
Jodi….that means Nick, is really reading your posts, i wish everyone here would carefully read them.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
It might help you, Jodi, and Ed, to think of the Son as a “part” of the Father, the one true God. He is the very important “part” of the Father that goes back and forth from the realm of the Father to the realm of creation. He is how God is with us while the Father is in the heavenly realm of unapproachable light being invisible to us.
He (the Son) is the “part” of the Father that reveals the Father to whom He (the Son) desires. He (the Son), the “part” of the Father is how the Father created creation and how the Father saves creation. That “part” of the Father happens to be identical to the Father in essence. Think about how two identical cells are distinct but identical in essence to help you understand essence. Think about a parent cell with another identical cell within it and comes forth from it…one is the parent, one is the offspring.
If that “part” wasn’t always existing as the very important part of the Father, the “part” would have to be created and would not therefore be identical to the Father in essence, perfect and eternal. I don’t believe that the Father lacked anything to be the creator and savior because the Father always had this very important “part.”
That “part” made the Father a relational God and not a God who was aloof and distant of His creation.
That “part” performed actions exactly as directed by His Head, the Father. That “part” was perfect and always wanting to please the Father. That “part” was always able to perform those actions because of being of the same essence. That “part,” along with the Father is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last, our Great God.
The Father loved His “part” and gave His “part” the honor of creating the world and the Father made His “part” the Lord over that creation and sent Him as part of that creation to redeem that creation by making Him also the Messiah.
The Father loved His creation and chose to have a plan in saving His creation if sin entered it. His plan was to sent the “part” of Himself to represent Him and speak for Him and reveal Him to the creation as part of that creation, and to take on the sin of that creation, to be the perfect sacrifice to redeem man to Himself.
That “part” is who the Father calls “His Son” and the Lamb, and the Lord, and the Christ. The Father knew that no man could sufficiently be the sacrifice for all mankind except for His very important “part.”
The Father was never without this “part,” the only begotten Son. The Son sends a part of Him and His Father to believers as the Holy Spirit.
Without the Son part of the Father, we cannot become one in the Holy Spirit. The Son has made our redemption possible.
We can enjoy eternity with the Father and the Son because the Father sent a part of Himself who carried the same essence as Himself to be in our realm, to explain the Father, to show us how to live and die perfectly and He alone became the propitiation for our sin after His suffering proved His character to us. No man was able to do that, just look at all the kings and the prophets and the priests who had gone before One whom the Father sent, they all sinned and died and decayed.
We call that very important “part” of the Father, our Lord, our Brother, our Savior, our Redeemer, our Friend, our King, and our God as He is together with the Father, God to us.
Maybe that will help you see where I am coming from. LU
LU…GOD IS WITH “ALL” WHO HAVE IS SPIRIT IN THEM.
YOU still are trying to seperate Jesus’ likeness to us, from us. While Jesus is indeed a “mediator” like Moses also was, he is and was a “human” mediator. Whom God was in prefecting him, he did not preexist his berth on this earth.
Trinitarians preach a different Jesus, then what scriptures show. Jodi, Nick and I are presenting the true way to see and understand him for a long time now.
The deception is everwhere of who Jesus was and is, and truly all those who preach a different Jesus christ then what we are preaching are indeed Antichrists. We can all repent of our errors LU.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
owlam
long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world
ancient time, long time (of past)
(of future)
for ever, always
continuous existence, perpetual
everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternityHi Jodi
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah,
yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;
whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. (Micah 5:2)____________
God bless
Ed JHi Jodi
But thou,
Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah,
yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;
whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. (Micah 5:2)Hi Ed,
Indeed the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.
Hi Nick,
The Prophet Micah was NOT talking about the spirit of God,
but rather the spirit of the son of God (the spirit of Christ).____________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
The Spirit of Christ is never separate from the Spirit of God.
It is the Spirit of anointing.
Not the spirit of a man.
Hi Ed,
The Spirit of Christ is never separate from the Spirit of God.
Hi Nick,
The bible seems to indicate that for 30 years the Spirit of Christ was.
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God bless
Ed JHi honestly lightenup and Ed. They Jodi Gene and Nick believe if you don’t believe like them.they have their truth your a ant-christ they seem to think that they get special knowledge like the gnostic supposedly did. a religion that preaches a hidden wisdom or knowledge only to a select group. There spiritual. Ignatius of Antioch writes against them as well as Docetism, a doctrine closely related to Gnosticism. Well Lightenup and Ed. I myself say they are anti- Christ “stop sperating false doctorings”. I’ve noticed here that some of the discussions are pretty one sided, I’ve been in only two of these discussions flat Earth and this one. I proofed that there wasn’t a doom over the earth,with scripture, not videos. and they continue, mike or dig never knowledge it never spoke to me about it. I show that the Son pre-existed with the Father and that’s the Holy Spirit was the Spirit of the Father and Son. But the anti- Christ spirit won’t let them see that. Now Gene is of telling us who the Holy Spirit is. Well I guess everyone can understand scripture as they see or not. They have too omit scripture and call everyone anti- christ
God bless. Later, i wash my hands
Hi Ed,
For 30 years they were separate?
The Spirit is one.
Just because God shows us there are different aspects to the Spirit
does not give us permission to divide the Spirit.
Anthony….Do you know what a Antichrist, IS? IT IS NOT A PERSON WHO IS AGAINST THE MAN Jesus, as you and most persume. It is a person that thinks Jesus preexisted as a God, and not being an ordinary human like the rest of us, he did not have to be anointed by God, to be the messaih of God.
The gnostic’s actually did believe in Jesus, but believed he was not “Anointed” of God, because he already was a God. John coined the phrase “ANTI-ANOINTING”, OR Antichrist , because they preached that Jesus preexisted as a God, before he came to this earth, and he was not the person he appeared as, but was desguised as a man, but truly was not an ordinary man like the rest of us human are.
Now measure your view of Jesus with that, do you believe Jesus actuall came into his existence as a ordinary human being, who then would have to be anointed inorder to be the messaih of God?
John said all them that believe not that Jesus came in the flesh were antichrists, do you believe Jesus came into his existence as a man just like we did, if you don’t see Jesus as a ordinary human being , that Was born of the human race from the loins of king David, who never existed before his berth on this earth, then it’s quite likely you are an Anti-christ or against him having to be anointed to accomplish what God gave him to do. So do you really believe Jesus had to be anointed to accomplish being the savior, and without that anointing of God on him m he would never be able to.
Not only that, but have you move Jesus away from your personal connection with him also, not believing he was personally like you are, in this world. Do you put him in a special place away from humanity?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
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