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To All….Jesus is indeed what God the Father has in mind for all humanity, and we through the same spirit of God can atain to the exact same level of existence, just as it says,
Eph 4:13….”until we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the son of God, unto a “perfect” man, unto the measure of the “fulness” of Christ”.
Peace and love to you all and yours. …..gene
Hi Ed,
Do tell us you are not promoting some vile pagan mythology.
Ok,
I’m not promoting some vile pagan mythology
Firstborn of/over all creation
…is about Jesus’ preeminence, not a created spirit order
as Mike presumes
Hi Ed,
Yes you have been loaned a human spirit.
And, like Jesus, at your death it will leave you and return to the Father of spirits.
Do you agree?
Hi Ed,
Really?
You told us you had three parts.
Do you believe men go straight to heaven when they die?
But surely carnal men first must be assembled to face the white throne judgement.
.And those in Christ face the tribunal of Christ
Do you believe men go straight to heaven when they die?
Hi Nick,
“to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.” (2 Cor 5:8)
Hi Ed,
Body, soul and spirit according to 1thess 5.23.
But you add MIND and say you are the spirit?
Ecc 12 says man’s spirit returns to God at death.
But you think that means the man himself?
Salvation of the soul is the purpose of faith. 1 Peter.
But somehow you think it is the human spirit?
Hi Ed,
‘….And the spirit returns to God Who gave it’
‘ To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.’
These mean the same thing to you?
Ed J,
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing RATHER to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Ed J, explain how your understanding makes any sense given these scriptures above?
Paul gives us the meaning of what he said, you are not applying it, instead you are apply doctrines of men, ideas from Plato that the pagan converts who loved Greek philosophy created that most Christians falsely believe in.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing RATHER to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
The word home and present are the same transliterated word –endemeo
if we are home in the body we are absent from the Lord, if we are absent from the body we are home with the Lord.
If we are at home in the body we are walking after the flesh and thus have faith in that flesh.
If we are at home with the Lord that means that our body is dead, we are not in the flesh BUT IN the SPIRIT, if you are IN the SPIRIT you are at HOME with the Lord!!
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who WALK not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace…8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
The body is dead, you are absent from your body, if you are IN the Spirit then you are at home with the Lord. This is all spiritual, as their bodies aren’t literally dead, it represents that they have FAITH in God and they do not have faith in their own flesh, you are sick of your weak corruptible flesh you long for a new uncorruptible body that does not tempt you anymore.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Do you realize what this is saying Ed J and how it relates to 2 Corinthians 5?
Hi Ed,
In the days of his flesh and after fulfilling the sign of Jonah, Jesus said.
‘A spirit does not have flesh and bones as I have’
But you think you are a spirit?
The Spirit of MAN returns to God at death according to scripture.
Do you think this means all sinners return to God BEFORE the final judgement?
If so do they have to come back for the judgement?
Hi Ed,
‘….And the spirit returns to God Who gave it’
‘ To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.’
These mean the same thing to you?
Hi Nick,
Yes
Hi Ed,
(1)Body, soul and spirit according to 1thess 5.23.
But you add MIND and say you are the spirit?
(2)Ecc 12 says man’s spirit returns to God at death.
But you think that means the man himself?
(3)Salvation of the soul is the purpose of faith. 1 Peter.
But somehow you think it is the human spirit?
Hi Nick,
1) Is your mind not part of you?
2) No Nick, the essence of the man himself.
3) No Nick, the spirit Goes back to God (in either case)____________
God bless
Ed JEd J, explain how your understanding makes any sense given these scriptures above?
Do you realize what this is saying Ed J and how it relates to 2 Corinthians 5?
Hi Jodi,
You have a lot of stuff posted
but the point you are trying to make is not coming through.So I would ask:
explain how your understanding makes any sense____________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
In the days of his flesh and after fulfilling the sign of Jonah, Jesus said.
‘A spirit does not have flesh and bones as I have’
(1)But you think you are a spirit?
The Spirit of MAN returns to God at death according to scripture.
(2)Do you think this means all sinners return to God BEFORE the final judgement?
(3)If so do they have to come back for the judgement?
Hi Nick,
1) Jesus was saying he wasn’t a “Ghost” (a disembodied spirit)
2) No, all sinners return to God FOR the final judgement.
3) No, the judgment determines their placement.____________
God bless
Ed J
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