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Hi LU,
You say the Lord from heaven became a man.
You previously said that the Lord was brought forth into the vessel that was created as a baby in Mary.
So the baby was not the Lord but a vessel for the Lord?
Was the baby like other men, body soul and spirit and was the baby called Jesus?
LU,
The below scriptures prove that you could not be more wrong, do you dare to read them????????
PLEASE LU READ below and respond!!
Romans 8: 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
The Father is master over all, it is His Spirit that both made and appointed Jesus as our righteous lord and savior.
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Isaiah 11: 1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Jeremiah 33: 14 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness
The LORD will cause a branch of righteousness to grow up unto David, and he shall be a master both executing judgement and bringing people to righteousness.
Judah will be saved and NOTICE LU we see a CITY being called The LORD our righteousness. This is because the Father’s Spirit dwells in the people of the city and the city represents the work of the Father’s Spirit, just as Jesus the branch of David represents the work of the Father’s Spirit.
The Spirit brings righteousness and thus the Spirit brings life. Jesus was anointed with this Spirit and it kept him in righteousness, it brought about his perfection into the new man, so he could not possible BE Jehovah our Righteousness. He can’t be something that he needed to be given in order to be MADE into a master. Likewise Jesus was DEAD and he needed this Spirit to raise him to life, so then he could NOT POSSIBLY BE in anyway the LORD our Righteousness.
We are told that once Jesus destroys all enemies he will be subjected to God, as God will Himself come down from heaven, and He will be ALL in ALL. That which represents the work of God is named after God, this is why she, the city of Jerusalem will be NAMED The LORD our righteousness.
Lu….Someone called your “God man” Jesus , “good”, but he said “why call (ME) good, there is “none” good except God “. Seems you have another delima to work out, right.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO QUITE playing shell games and just accept sriptures as they truly are written. You have not produced a single scripture where Jesus ever said he was GOD. THERE EXISTS NO SUCH SCRIPTURE.
PEACE AND LOVE TO YOU AND YOURS. …….gene
Hi Ed,
So you think, from your personal interpretation of Micah 5.2, that the Spirit of Christ was born at Bethlehem.
Not a man born of a woman and born under the law?
Not much like us either.
Not one or the other Nick… both
Hi Ed,
We know that Jesus was CONCEIVED of the HOLY SPIRIT in Mary.
Soo how does this fit with your idea of a preexistent spirit being born of Mary?
Hi Conceived means egg fertilazation, not the beginning of and idea
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God bless
Ed JEdj…BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD REVEALING TRUTH IN MY MIND. “FREEWILL”, IS A “OXYMORON”, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, SEENING NO SCHUCH THING EXISTS.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Hi Gene,
How does one without a “Free Will” decide?
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God bless
Ed JSomehow you seem to think that the Word which was with God in the beginning
was, at that time, the man Jesus. No the Word was made flesh at the Jordan.
Yes Nick,
I’m glad you can see that “The Word” is God’s HolySpirit!
For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity;
but the word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.” (Heb 7:28)____________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
So a man was conceived in Mary.
We know that John was filled by the Spirit in the womb.
Do you presume that the same thing happened with the man, Jesus?
Is presumption truth?
Nick,
The heavenly Son by whom all things have been made both in heaven and on earth was, many years later, brought forth by the Holy Spirit to be the spirit part of the baby. Mary contributed to His flesh body that contained the spirit of the heavenly Son.
Thank you for your question, Nick.
God bless!
Hi LU,
So the baby did not have a human spirit, but the Holy Spirit put the Son in him instead??
But the soul and the body were from his parents and when he died his spirit did not leave him??
And what happened when the Holy Spirit came down on him at the Jordan?
Hi Ed,
So an egg was fertilised but a man was not conceived to begin to develop as an independent life?
Or did the fertilised egg become the man, Jesus of Nazareth?
Hi LU,
A brave call.
So what was the nature of this Son?
Would you say a human is the result of this extraordinary event?
Hi LU,
Before you said that the baby was a VESSEL FOR the Son.
Now you say that the Son was an integral PART OF the baby.
Which fantasy should we believe?
Hi Ed,
So we agree that the Word is the Spirit of the Son, the Spirit of Christ.
The only difference is whether that Spirit is separate from God, and when the Spirit of anointing came onto the man Jesus.
True?
LU AND ANTHONY. …GO REREAD JODIES LAST POST, IT IS EXACTLY RIGHT, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY SHEAD OF TRUTH IN YOU, IT SHOULD CAUSE YOU TO REPENT, AND COME TO THE TRUE LIGHT.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Good Morning LU,
I hope you read through the scriptures in my lasts posts, and give a reply as to how they fit into your theology.
Please also consider this passage,
Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
This says precisely that the Father made the world and ALL things there in. He giveth the life and breath and all things. He made of ONE blood all nations of men and hath DETERMINED their TIMES before appointed. This INCLUDES Jesus who was born of the seed of David.
LU there exists NO PROMISE, NO SCRIPTURE that says a pre-existing son came down to heaven and grew in the womb of Mary, you have had to create this idea in order to make it fit into an incorrect interpretation of another scripture of which you fail to acknowledge the very verse that comes after, of which gives you the truth. Your blindness is profound.
Isaiah 11: 1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
We are ALL his offspring because God is life and he gives man His breath of life, this is exactly why we are given the genealogy of Jesus that goes all the way to Adam and says that Adam is a son of God.
However as Jesus tells us to reach God’s Kingdom of eternal life, a man, which includes himself, has to be born of water and of the Spirit, because the Spirit works righteousness into the spirit of man.
Lu, DEFINE spirit, define this spirit that you say came down and was in the womb of Mary in the baby Jesus.
You cannot be a man without having the spirit of a man.
1 Thess 5: 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
spirit—the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
soul—life that in which there is life
a living being, a living soul
The Spirit of God caused the spirit within Jesus to be blameless. Jesus had a human spirit, that needed God’s Spirit.
Hebrews 9: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Ephesians 4: 20 But ye have not so learned Christ; 21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Galatians 4: 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now
The spirit within Jesus had to be born after the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 15: 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
The last Adam was MADE into a spirit full of life, it was a human spirit receiving eternal life.
Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Did you get that LU, Jesus had a human spirit, it had to be anointed by God’s Spirit to be able to deny the flesh. You have to be spiritually minded of which comes through being anointed by God’s spirit.
LU why would God anoint a pre-existing spirit of which you say is the LORD our righteousness??
Jesus had a human spirit, and he had to overcome that spirit’s desire to serve the flesh. He had to deny the will of man, and follow God’s Will, this is why Jesus prays to the Father and says, not my will God but your Will be done, when he asked God to take this cup from him.
LU you speak pure nonsense. The spirit that Jesus was born with was a human spirit.
God APPOINTED a DAY when He will judged the world in righteousness BY THAT ONE MAN, whom He hath ORDAINED, and we have assurance because this man who will judge the world hath been raised from the dead. Our assurance that Jesus is our master a judge is through him being a MAN raised from the dead. This is exactly what Paul teaches us. There is nothing about an assurance that we have a master because there was a pre-existing son, or that this son you speak of came down and entered Mary’s womb and was a spirit within a human baby. That idea comes straight from pagans who obviously paid no attention to the prophets in the OT but to Greek philosophy.
Recall Jesus said I am not of this world as you are not of this world, Jesus was heavenly being considered from heaven meaning from GOD, because he had God’s Spirit living in him, guiding his human spirit to become blameless and not deserving of the punishment of sin.
LU are you trying to tell us that Jesus did not have a human spirit? If he did not have a human spirit then he would not in fact be a human being.
Hi Jodi,
The human spirit of the man, Jesus, was in no way different to ours, though made strong by grace.
The difference in his attitude and behaviours before his anointing was because of Grace.
As a child in Lk 2.40
“And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon him”
We are saved by grace and so too his usefulness to God was brought about by Grace.
Tit 2.11
‘For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men’
Before the Jordan God was with him but not yet in him.
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