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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 08 2012,08:05) Mike has that glory and honor happened to Man in general yet?
Absolutely Gene.Man has much glory. For example, in Luke 12:27, Jesus even speaks about the glory Solomon had on earth.
And God already HAS put all things (on earth) under man's control. (Genesis 1:28)
Gene, your “rebuttal” to my point is: Mike, the word “with” doesn't mean “alongside”.
Whether he was “with” God, or “alongside” God, the living person Jesus was there and had glory before the world began.
I'm not “trying to separate” anything, Gene. I'm just accepting ALL of the scriptures, while you only accept the ones you WANT to accept. That's why we come up with different understandings.
Gene also needs to add a paragraphs to some scriptures so they fall in line with his view. When I reword a text, but keep its meaning intact, he says I am wrong. When I give him the scripture, he says the scripture is correct, and then adds a paragraph so that it falls in line with his view.
The short of it is that we can quote these scriptures and word them in our own conversation as is, and he cannot and dare not repeat them in his conversation because that would be tantamount to admitting something that he teaches the opposite of.
You will never hear him say for example that oh yes, Jesus had glory with the Father before the world began. No, he will only ever mention that scripture when the topic is brought up and for the exclusive purpose of attacking the very meaning of that scripture.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 08 2012,20:35) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2012,09:52) we are sons of man ;HE HIS SON OF GOD I HOPE YOU CAN SEE HEAR AND UNDERSTAND THAT DIFFERENCE 
HE WAS BORN WITHOUT THE SIN OF ADAM ;we on the other hand can not get rid of unless Christ help us to remove it ,I HOPE YOU CAN SEE THAT HIS ABILITY TO DO THING FOR US THAT WE CAN NOT DO NOR FOR OURSELF NEVER MIND FOR ANYONE ELSE ,
NOW HE HIS THE ONLY ONE JESUS CHRIST AND BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ,
do you see yourself in his resemblance
tell witch one please you misunderstand scriptures and until you correct that view you are out of the truth so to speak.
Terricca…………So you don't beleiv ewhat John Said rigth?Rrethern “NOW” we are the SONS OF GOD, and it does not yet appear what we will be But we know we will be “AS” He is , because we will see him “AS” He is.
Point two , NO one is BORN a SINNER they become Sinners a child is not a sinner, no matter what you falsely preach. A child “BECOMES a SINNER” A child has the “PROPENSITY” for sin but is not BORN a SINNER , if that were the case God could not hild us liable for our sins becasue we would have beeen born that way. Common seens should tell you that Pierre.
But you are right sayon “NOW” Jesus is the ONLY ONE BEGOTTEN SON of GOD, That is Begotten from MANKIND and raised from the dead to eternal life. The First “BORN” into the KINGDOM of GOD> “AT THIS TIME”> ONE of many brothers and sisters to be born into the kingdom of God
peace and love to you and yours Pierre…………………………gene
geneyou say “NOW WE ARE SONS OF GOD ” were is that written
Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
no man can claim to be a son of God unless God tells him;
Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
and in scriptures only one man ;Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Jn 1:34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”Jn 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
Jn 17:7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.
Jn 17:8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.gene ,look at verse 8 and to what Jesus said “THAT THEY ACCEPTED THEM ,THE WORDS THAT HE SPOKE ;AND YOU DO NOT ;HOW CAN YOU EVER BECOME A SON OF GOD
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2012,15:11) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2012,23:20) I have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the verse is about the name that was given Him, not about the people. Remember the pronoun 'which' is singular and neuter the same as 'name'…unlike the 'them' which is plural and masculine.
Kathi,I am up to Leviticus 24 in the NETBible now – reading every footnote along with the scriptures.
You would be surprised at how many times, in just two and a half books of the Bible, there is a “dilemma” with the plurality or singularity of a verb compared to the noun to which it is linked.
I'm sure I will also come across many such “dilemmas” when I finally make it to the NT.
Also, isn't it you who says a group of people can be referred to using SINGULAR pronouns and such?
And finally, don't you realize if God GAVE the name YHWH to Jesus, it means Jesus didn't have this name from eternity, and was therefore NOT “YHWH THE SON” from eternity?
(Btw, check out the last line of 17:11………“so that they may be one just as we are one.” I understand that to mean “so that they may be one WITH us”.)
Mike,
you said:Quote I'm sure I will also come across many such “dilemmas” when I finally make it to the NT. Well, fast forward to John 17:11 in the Net Bible and you can see that there are no dilemmas mentioned.
Here is the Net translation:
17:11 I 32 am no longer in the world, but 33 they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them safe 34 in your name 35 that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one. 36All the pronouns referring to the people are in third person, plural, masculine, no dilemma.
Quote Also, isn't it you who says a group of people can be referred to using SINGULAR pronouns and such? Yes, but the group in John 17:11 are referred to as plural pronouns. Don't make up unnecessary dilemmas just to force a doctrine that doesn't seem to be working well for you.
Quote And finally, don't you realize if God GAVE the name YHWH to Jesus, it means Jesus didn't have this name from eternity, and was therefore NOT “YHWH THE SON” from eternity? Why would He need a name before He was begotten?
Quote (Btw, check out the last line of 17:11………“so that they may be one just as we are one.” I understand that to mean “so that they may be one WITH us”.) There is a group called 'they' and a group called 'we.' That would be two groups. One group would be the sheep; they are to be one, and the other group would be the head of the sheep; and they ARE one.
kathi
Quote There is a group called 'they' and a group called 'we.' That would be two groups. One group would be the sheep; they are to be one, and the other group would be the head of the sheep; and they ARE one. wrong that should make it three if we keep reading ;God + the son =1 the son and God + Christ disciples = 1 then ;God ,the son,Christ disciples and all who will believe in their message (? number)=1
it seems to me that the value of the 1 (one) is adding value as it moves forward
Only two groups…the disciples grew in numbers but weren't a separate group. The disciple group just got fuller.
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2012,23:26) Only two groups…the disciples grew in numbers but weren't a separate group. The disciple group just got fuller.
Kathiit is either three or one ,but not two
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2012,22:19) Why would He need a name before He was begotten?
So then you ADMIT that Jesus was not eternally “YHWH the Son”?
If he was “eternally the Son within the Father”, then why wouldn't he eternally have the name “YHWH the Son”? Your made up doctrine is falling apart right before your eyes.Do you SERIOUSLY not find it odd that the Son was existing within the Father as a sentient being, for as long as the Father existed, but only one of them had a name at first?
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2012,22:19) Well, fast forward to John 17:11 in the Net Bible and you can see that there are no dilemmas mentioned. Here is the Net translation:
17:11 I 32 am no longer in the world, but 33 they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them safe 34 in your name 35 that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one. 36
I read that as, Keep them in your name, that (group of people) you have given me. Read the context starting with verse 6, Kathi. The whole thing is about the people God GAVE to His servant Jesus out of the world.Either way, it really doesn't matter, because even understanding it your way, it proves that Jesus was NOT eternally “YHWH the Son” – like you've so often claimed.
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2012,22:19) All the pronouns referring to the people are in third person, plural, masculine, no dilemma.
The “dilemma” comes in when the plurality or singularity of the verb and the noun DON'T match, Kathi. They DON'T match MANY times in the OT, and so translators make their best guess as to what is meant ACCORDING TO THE CONTEXT. Many times you'll see notes that say things like, the verb is plural, but it is clear that a single priest is meant, so the LXX and Sm change it to a single verb – as we've also done in this translation.Now, in MY understanding, this is a similar case, and ACCORDING TO CONTEXT, Jesus is refering to the group of people that Jehovah gave to him. And perhaps having this ONE, SINGLE GROUP in mind, John wrote “that” you have given me, instead of “those” you have given me.
There is, after all, a REASON that the KJV and NKJV have “those” you've given me. They based their understanding on the CONTEXT, and “tweaked” the singular pronoun accordingly – just like they do MANY times throughout the scriptures.
Notice also, that even the very recent NLT has “all those you have given me”.
Also, keep in mind that it is not poor English to say, Keep in your name those that you gave me, or Keep in your name those which you gave me.
Kathi, does it REALLY make sense to you that Jehovah named His Son “YHWH”, but all of mankind (including his very first disciples), knows him as “Jesus”?
If his name is “Jehovah Jr.”, then why doesn't any writer of the NT ever call him “Jehovah Jr.”? And more importantly, why DO they call him “Jesus” – if that's not really his name?
Your doctrine is silly.
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2012,22:19) There is a group called 'they' and a group called 'we.'
Correct. And Jesus' PRAYER to HIS GOD and OUR GOD, is that the “they” be one with the “we”, ie: May they be one WITH us?Kathi,
Check out the last three words of Romans 5:12. Notice that the singular relative pronoun “that” is used with the plural “all” and the plural “sinned”.
Mike,
I looked at Romans 5:12. I don't know enough Greek to understand why there is an indirect neuter pronoun used at all.In John 17:11, it is plain that 'which' is the pronoun for 'name.'
The NT writers call him LORD, you just don't want to see it. Jesus is the name given the man that YHWH the Son became. YHWH is the name given the pre-existent Son.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2012,08:48) you say “NOW WE ARE SONS OF GOD ” were is that written
Terricca………….1 John 3:1….> Behold, what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us, that we should be called the “sons” of God; therefroe the world knows us not, because it knew him notVerse 2….> Beloved, now” we “are” the sons of God
peace and love to you and yours……………………………..gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2012,07:21) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 08 2012,08:05) Mike has that glory and honor happened to Man in general yet?
Absolutely Gene.Man has much glory. For example, in Luke 12:27, Jesus even speaks about the glory Solomon had on earth.
And God already HAS put all things (on earth) under man's control. (Genesis 1:28)
Gene, your “rebuttal” to my point is: Mike, the word “with” doesn't mean “alongside”.
Whether he was “with” God, or “alongside” God, the living person Jesus was there and had glory before the world began.
I'm not “trying to separate” anything, Gene. I'm just accepting ALL of the scriptures, while you only accept the ones you WANT to accept. That's why we come up with different understandings.
Mike………The word “With” can imply a Plan or thought, while the word “alongside” forces the text into a different meaning and you and T8 well know this IMO. You both distort the text which shows your biases to what is actually written, My point is why do you guys seem to always add words to the construct of what is written.The reason i have to give a long post that Shows how you have it wrong, is because of you changing the words of the text and its meaning in the First place.
Mike you as well as T8 full well know the word “With”, there can mean a preplanned Glory much like God has for Mankind also, As i and others have brought out here many times.
As far as Man in general sense having Glory and Honor that thas not taken place yet or don't you believe where it say we do not see man yet with that Glory and Honor, But what do we see? we see Jesus “NOW” with that Honor and Glory, Now where it say we “NOW” see Him with that honor and Glory then it is obvious he never had it before, except in the plan and will of God Just as Mankind does.
You people never stop preaching your doctrines of separation it is all you know, is to make Jesus different then his brothers and sisters. I tell you Mike Jesus is not one once different then we are he is a Son of MAN The only difference is that he is the “FIRST” Born from mankind into the Kingdom of God the First to be raised from the dead and inherit eternal life. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………..gene
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 09 2012,07:52) Gene also needs to add a paragraphs to some scriptures so they fall in line with his view. When I reword a text, but keep its meaning intact, he says I am wrong. When I give him the scripture, he says the scripture is correct, and then adds a paragraph so that it falls in line with his view. The short of it is that we can quote these scriptures and word them in our own conversation as is, and he cannot and dare not repeat them in his conversation because that would be tantamount to admitting something that he teaches the opposite of.
You will never hear him say for example that oh yes, Jesus had glory with the Father before the world began. No, he will only ever mention that scripture when the topic is brought up and for the exclusive purpose of attacking the very meaning of that scripture.
T8……….Problem is when you reword a text you are not keeping the meaning in tact as you falsely assume you are brother. So i have to show wher you are wrong and show how it should be rendered as many other have over the years also. But that doesn't even seem to cause any doubt in you mind, or even question some of you false assumptions. It seems that you are so indoctrinated you are unable to change you views even if they are wrong, T8. IMOT8 you are also wrong saying i never said Jesus had Glory with God before he was born i totally believe he did and i also believe we did also. So please dont say i dont believe Jesus had Glory with God before the world was created i certanily do believe he and we did also.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 10 2012,20:25) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2012,08:48) you say “NOW WE ARE SONS OF GOD ” were is that written
Terricca………….1 John 3:1….> Behold, what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us, that we should be called the “sons” of God; therefroe the world knows us not, because it knew him notVerse 2….> Beloved, now” we “are” the sons of God
peace and love to you and yours……………………………..gene
G1Jn 2:25 And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.
1Jn 2:26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
1Jn 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.1Jn 2:28 And now, dear children, continue in him, so that when he appears we may be confident and unashamed before him at his coming.
1Jn 2:29 If you know that he is righteous, you know that everyone who does what is right has been born of him.
1Jn 3:1 How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him.
1Jn 3:2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
1Jn 3:5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
1Jn 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.
1Jn 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
1Jn 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.nothing in those scriptures supports your view all is conditional to our faithfullness so we are not sons untill the end
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 11 2012,05:21) Mike………The word “With” can imply a Plan or thought, while the word “alongside” forces the text into a different meaning and you and T8 well know this IMO. You both distort the text which shows your biases to what is actually written, My point is why do you guys seem to always add words to the construct of what is written.
Let's analyse your first paragraph.You say that it can imply a plan. This also means that it can mean what it says, i.e., that the Word was WITH God.
Then you say that we distort the meaning.
Excuse me. You are wrong even by your own thought process you are wrong.
If you had of said that it can ONLY mean Plan, then you could say that we distort given your own thought process, (you would still be wrong though), but the fact that you said IMPLY, means that the primary meaning WITH is also very possible.
So you are just plain wrong about saying we distort the text.
You should at least admit that to yourself. If you cannot, then you open yourself to be handed over further to your own bias.
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 10 2012,17:10) Jesus is the name given the man that YHWH the Son became. YHWH is the name given the pre-existent Son.
So the Father is not YHWH then.And if you say that both of them are called by the name YHWH, then you have 2 YHWHs.
Either way you are proven wrong.
There are not two YHWHs and the Father is definitely YHWH.
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 10 2012,17:10) The NT writers call him LORD, you just don't want to see it. Jesus is the name given the man that YHWH the Son became. YHWH is the name given the pre-existent Son.
The NT writers call him Lord. And the NT says that God made Jesus Lord.That alone shows you are wrong.
If God made him LORD as you would likely argue, then that demonstrates that he was not eternally LORD as you do argue.
God actually made him Lord not LORD.
And even if you say that God made him Lord but he was always LORD, then how can LORD be made Lord.
Too many discrepancies and too many lies, lead to too many holes in the argument. Then trying to patch up all the holes leads to preposterous doctrines like the Trinity and Binity that stretch the truth in such a way to as make them a lie.
It is written that men will turn the truth of God into a lie, so we are not surprised. But we make the effort to save people from this trap and especially warn people to not lay stumbling blocks for others to trip over.
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 11 2012,09:12) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 11 2012,05:21) Mike………The word “With” can imply a Plan or thought, while the word “alongside” forces the text into a different meaning and you and T8 well know this IMO. You both distort the text which shows your biases to what is actually written, My point is why do you guys seem to always add words to the construct of what is written.
Let's analyse your first paragraph.You say that it can imply a plan. This also means that it can mean what it says, i.e., that the Word was WITH God.
Then you say that we distort the meaning.
Excuse me. You are wrong even by your own thought process you are wrong.
If you had of said that it can ONLY mean Plan, then you could say that we distort given your own thought process, (you would still be wrong though), but the fact that you said IMPLY, means that the primary meaning WITH is also very possible.
So you are just plain wrong about saying we distort the text.
You should at least admit that to yourself. If you cannot, then you open yourself to be handed over further to your own bias.
If Jesus appeared int he OT days as either YHVH (Trinitarian and Binitarian view) or as 'the Angel of the LORD', or something similar, (Arian view) then how come it says in Hebrews 1.1 the following:'In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets;
but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son,
whom he appointed the heir of all things, and through whom also he created the ions.'Would it not have said that God of old spoke to the fathers through the Son?
It doesn't say that.———————–
And it continues on in Hebrews:
For to what angel did God ever say,
“Thou art my Son,
today I have begotten thee”?
Or again, “I will be to him a father,
and he shall be to me a son”?
And again, when he brings the first-born into the world, he says, “Let all God's angels worship him.”
Of the angels he says, “Who makes his angels winds,
and his servants flames of fire.”But of the Son he says,
“Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever,
the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee
with the oil of gladness beyond thy comrades.”
And, “Thou, Lord, (FATHER) didst found the earth in the beginning,
and the heavens are the work of thy hands;
they will perish, but thou (JESUS) remainest;
they will all grow old like a garment,
like a mantle thou wilt roll them up,
and they will be changed.
But thou art the same,
and thy years will never end.”
But to what angel has he ever said, “Sit at my right hand,
till I make thy enemies
a stool for thy feet”?
Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to serve, for the sake of those who are to obtain salvation?'Daniel 7:9-14
[9] 'As I looked,
thrones were placed
and one that was ancient of days took his seat;
his raiment was white as snow,
and the hair of his head like pure wool;
his throne was fiery flames,
its wheels were burning fire.
A stream of fire issued
and came forth from before him;
a thousand thousands served him,
and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him;
the court sat in judgment,
and the books were opened.[13] I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven
there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days
and was presented before him.
And to him was given dominion
and glory and kingdom,
that all peoples, nations, and languages
should serve him;
his dominion is an everlasting dominion,
which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom one
that shall not be destroyed.'——————–
I was just looking at this verse:
'And now glorify me you Father with yourself with the glory which I had before the world was with you'
The word 'tē' has been translated as 'with the' when it should be simply 'the',
And 'eichon' which was transated as 'I had' should be 'I have',
And 'einai' was translated as 'was' when it should have been 'I am',
http://biblos.com/john/17-5.htm
Why did they write the wrong word when it should have been something else.
So instead of:
'And now glorify me you Father with yourself with the glory which I had before the world was with you'It reads correctly:
'And now glorify me you Father with yourself the glory which I have before the world I am with you'.Now add the comas and fullstops:
It could (possibly) be:
'And now glorify me you Father with yourself the glory which I have.
Before the world (as witness)I am with you'.And I am sure I can find scripture which would go with that too.
Especially the following, and ones like it:
I AM THE LORD AND THERE IS NO OTHER,
BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD;
I gird you, though you do not know me,
THAT MEN MAY KNOW,
FROM THE RISING OF THE SUN FROM THE WEST,
THAT THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME;
I AM THE LORD, AND THERE SI NO OTHER.I FORM THE LIGHT AND CREATE DARKNESS,
I MAKE WEAL AND CREATE WOE,
I AM THE LORD, WHO DO ALL THESE THINGS.
“Shower, O heavens, from above,
and let the skies rain down righteousness;
let the earth open, that salvation may sprout forth,
and let it cause righteousness to spring up also;
I the LORD have created it.
“Woe to him who strives with his Maker,
an earthen vessel with the potter!
Does the clay say to him who fashions it, `What are you making'?
or `Your work has no handles'?
Woe to him who says to a father, `What are you begetting?'
or to a woman, `With what are you in travail?'”
Thus says the LORD,
the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker:
“Will you question me about my children,
or command me concerning the work of my hands?
I MADE THE EARTH,
AND CREATED MAN UPON IT;
IT WAS MY HANDS THAT STRETCHED OUT THE HEAVENS,
AND I COMMANDED ALL THEIR HOST.
I have aroused him in righteousness,
and I will make straight all his ways;
he shall build my city
and set my exiles free,
not for price or reward,”
says the LORD of hosts.
Thus says the LORD:
“The wealth of Egypt and the merchandise of Ethiopia,
and the Sabe'ans, men of stature,
shall come over to you and be yours,
they shall follow you;
they shall come over in chains and bow down to you.
They will make supplication to you, saying:
`GOD IS WITH YOU ONLY, AND THERE IS NO OTHER,
NO GOD BESIDES HIM'”
Truly, thou art a God who hidest thyself,
O God of Israel, the Savior.
All of them are put to shame and confounded,
the makers of idols go in confusion together.
But Israel is saved by the LORD
with everlasting salvation;
you shall not be put to shame or confounded
to all eternity.
FOR THUS SAYS THE LORD,
WHO CREATED THE HEAVENS
(HE IS GOD!),
WHO FO
RMED THE EARTH AND MADE IT
(he established it;
he did not create it a chaos,
he formed it to be inhabited!):
“I AM THE LORD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER.
I did not speak in secret,
in a land of darkness;
I did not say to the offspring of Jacob,
`Seek me in chaos.'
I THE LORD SPEAK THE TRUTH,
I DECLARE WHAT IS RIGHT.
“Assemble yourselves and come,
draw near together,
you survivors of the nations!
They have no knowledge
who carry about their wooden idols,
and keep on praying to a god
that cannot save.
DECLARE AND PRESENT YOUR CASE;
LET THE COUNSEL TOGETHER!
WHO TOLD THIS LONG AGO?
WHO DECLARED IT OF OLD?
WAS IT NOT I, THE LORD?
AND THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME,
A RIGHTEOUS GOD AND A SAVIOUR;
THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME.
“TURN TO ME AND BE SAVE,
ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!
FOR I AM GOD, AND THERE SI NO OTHER.
By myself I have sworn,
from my mouth has gone forth in righteousness
a word that shall not return:
`To me every knee shall bow,
every tongue shall swear.'
“Only in the LORD, it shall be said of me,
are righteousness and strength;
to him shall come and be ashamed,
all who were incensed against him.
In the LORD all the offspring of Israel
shall triumph and glory.”or
“For AS THE RAIN COMES DOWN FROM HEAVEN,
and return not thither but WATER THE EARTH,
MAKING IT BRING FORTH AND SPROUT,
GIVING SEED TO THE SOWER AND BREAD TO THE EATER,
so shall MY WORD BE THAT GOES FORTH FROM MY MOUTH;
it shall not return to me empty,
but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
and prosper in the thing for WHICH I SENT IT TO DO” Isaiah 55:10-11“I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever;
and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.” John 6:51——————-
The spirit which was in him was before all and eternal and that was the Spirit of GOD.
“IN THE BEGINNING was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. This was in the beginning with God. ALL THINGS WERE MADE THROUGH THE SAME AND WITHOUT SAME WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE.
In the same was life, and the life was the LIGHT OF MEN.
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.”Gen.1
“IN THE BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth.
The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD was moving over the face of the waters. AND GOD SAID, 'LET THERE BE LIGHT'; AND THERE WAS LIGHT.”GOD IS THE LIFE AND GOD IS THE LIGHT.
“This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that GOD IS LIGHT AND IN HIM IS NO DARKNESS AT ALL.”
“If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not live according to the truth;
BUT IF WE WALK IN THE LIGHT AS HE (God) IS IN THE LIGHT, we have fellowship with one another, AND THE BLOOD OF JESUS HIS SON cleanses us from all sin.'For HE WHOM GOD HAS SENT UTTERS THE WORDS OF GOD, for it is not by measure that he gives THE SPIRIT.'
THE ETERNAL SPIRIT OF GOD CAME INTO THE WORLD.
'How much more shall the blood of Christ, who THROUGH THE ETERNAL SPIRIT offered himself without blemish to God, purify your conscience from dead works to serve the living God.'
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It does not take the mind of man to know this.
Peace.
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