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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2012,11:41) Quote (david @ Nov. 25 2012,22:31) Ed, do you really believe you are a character written in the bible?
I have no authority to speak about whether or not Ed was foretold in scripture. I will, however, vouch for the fact that he is a character.
Quite a character, huh?
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,20:15) Well, t8, the 'YHWH Echad' is what I have been calling it and you know this so why do you pretend that you don't? A married couple is two persons but you don't call a married couple a binity. Why must a unity of two persons be called a binity when speaking of God? Do you attach a numeral to every unity? If not, then why do you all of the sudden do it here, with God? What do you call a unity with eight members…an octinity? Just keep it simple, it is not about numbers but about unity. There is no need to use words to describe God that are not found in the Bible.
Sorry 'YHWH Echad' is not a married couple or a couple. No he is ONE.
For us there is ONE God the Father.
For you there is one God the Father and the Son making God a couple, as you say.If you don't like 'Binity', then what about “God Couple' or 'God Squad', or something that says upfront that your theory on God is that he is a group of 2 or biune. I think we should just call it what you are saying it is.
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2012,07:03) Gene,
The only begotten Son, firstborn over all creation, through which creation came and who has the title 'the First and the Last' would have been eternally existent within the Father and begotten from the Father before all things in heaven and on earth came into being.Like the Jews of the first century understood, Jesus was saying God was His Father, thus making Himself equal with God. Like begets like.
If He was just a man, He would certainly be blaspheming with all He claimed to be and what was written about Him. imo.
Take care…
As you say, “Like begets like”.But what you teach is Like IS like.
And if “Like begets like” then one precedes the other. Like Father and Son.
So it appears you have enough understanding to see that you are wrong. If you are only interested in listening to yourself, then study what “Like begets like” means.
And if you truly do that, then you will realise that one is the Original and the other an image of the Original.
Do you know which is which? Have a guess. One is the invisible original and the other is a visible image of the first one. Even if you take a guess, it is a whopping 50% that you get this right. And if you don't then I will give you another guess.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2012,18:23) Hi T8, I guess Pierre is OK then, right?
“I have yet many things to say unto you,
but ye cannot bear them now.” (John 16:12)How about David, does he have enough 'truth' for you?
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,20:27) Maybe people are just not aware of how much harsher judgement is if you are a teacher.
When one sets themself up as 'one who gets to determine' what “The Truth” is for others…
…how would you say God would look upon that, T8? Less than one teaching others or more?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J. It is not the amount of truth that I respect, it is if the person is true or not. Because a person who is true will change when truth is presented to them. Simple as that.Also, I have many things to say, but I have to keep some things to myself lest I cast pearls before swine because yes there are people here that would trample that underfoot into the mud.
I was suggesting a place that had people where you could share what God has put on your heart and where you could get reasonable responses from others.
This place is not really that place is it. It is the front line of a battle between truth and lies. And you know what, that is fine with me because this forum has that as a purpose.
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2012,04:03) Gene,
The only begotten Son, firstborn over all creation, through which creation came and who has the title 'the First and the Last' would have been eternally existent within the Father and begotten from the Father before all things in heaven and on earth came into being.Like the Jews of the first century understood, Jesus was saying God was His Father, thus making Himself equal with God. Like begets like.
If He was just a man, He would certainly be blaspheming with all He claimed to be and what was written about Him. imo.
Take care…
lightenup……….Man in a general sense is placed over all of God creation, need Proof?Heb 2:5….> For unto the angels has he (not) put in subjection the world to come whereof we speak. (so Jesus was not a Morphed Angel like Michael or any other either. or he would not qualify)
Verse 6…..> but one on a certain place testifies saying, (now Lightenup please take notice) what is “man”, that you are mindfull of him? or the son of man, that thou viitist him?
This is speaking of man in a “general sense”. now lets continue.
verse 7…… You have made him (mankind) a “little” lower than the angels; you have cropwned him (mankind) with glory and honor and did set him (mankind) over the works of your hands; Verse 8….> You have put all things in subjection under his (mankind) feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him (Mankind) he left “nothing” that is not under him (mankind) But we do not yet see all things put under him mankind in a general sense.
It goes on to say But what we Now see is Jesus who exactly like us was Made a Little lower then the angels for the suffering of death just like we do, Now, crowned with that Glory and honor, that is also what is in store for us and we see all things subject to him just as it will be to us also .
Jesus is the First bron from creation into the kingdom of God and the Last will be Just like Him . Hence the term First and the Last. Mankind has the exact same potential as Jesus himself has in every way without exception the only difference is that Jesu was the “FIRST” . IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
To all………All doctrines that separate Jesus from humanity is False, Jesus never “Preexisted” his Berth on this earth in any form what so ever. He came into existence as a Being the day He was born and never preexisted ever, except in the plan and will of God. The Spirit which he was Anointed with however did exist from the very beginning of creation and it was God the Father himself, and he came to dwell in the Flesh of Jesus on the Day he was Baptized in the Jordan river, and the voice of God said “ this day, i have begotten you not some time it the Past before his berth.
Jesus is 100% Man nothing more and nothing less, He is the first born of all creation onto the kingdom of God of “many Brothers” to be born into it. We are brothers and sisters and Joint Heirs of all thing with Jesus and all creation will be subject to us all that are called and chosen. All who peach a doctrine that “separates” Jesus from us and our “EXACT IDENTITY” are false teachers
peace and love to you all………………………………………………..gene
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To all………All doctrines that separate Jesus from humanity is False,scritures please
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2012,20:26)
Ed J. It is not the amount of truth that I respect, it is if the person is true or not.
Because a person who is true will change when truth is presented to them. Simple as that.
That remains to be seen.Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2012,20:26) Ed J. I was suggesting a place that had people where you could share what God has put on your heart and where you could get reasonable responses from others.
Hi T8,Do you not believe that would apply to me? …if not, why not?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgWould it make you happier if I cast pearls before swine or should I exercise wisdom regarding that. Surely the latter. And in the decade or so that you have been here, have I ever asked anyone to join a denomination or have I allowed a discussion to freely flow in order to let the truth stand out among the lies.
What makes you think that this is all about to change. Are you being paranoid. If you are a true person who can change when truth is presented to him, you would agree with what I am saying. If you are not, then you would be against what I am saying.
And in a worse case scenario, what real power could I have over you if I went off the rails. Probably none. I am on the other side of the world to you and you could switch me off with one click.
So how about a bit of maturity instead of paranoia. Have some faith instead of fear. That is my message to you.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 28 2012,02:41) To all………All doctrines that separate Jesus from humanity is False, Jesus never “Preexisted” his Berth on this earth in any form what so ever.
Who here is separating Jesus from humanity?Although he existed in the form of God;
He emptied himself;
Partook of flesh, that is he was born as a man into this world;
Died for our sins and was raised up again;
Went to be with the Father in the glory that he had with the Father before the world began;
And now we who are of him will be transformed as he is, as our lowly bodies will be like his.So there you have it. He is like us or we like him.
He calls us brothers.So obviously if you understand the above, you can plainly see that we do not separate Jesus from humanity as your mind seems to think so. Quite the opposite if you really see what we are saying.
So how about getting back on topic and stop turning everything into a we don't believe that Jesus is like us argument.
Quote (david @ Nov. 26 2012,18:31) “So why would you think it a strange thing for me also to be a character written in the bible
approx 400 years before I wrote the book that documents the “Proof of God””Ed, do you really believe you are a character written in the bible? I know this is from another thread, but realized its a thread between you two, and you believing you are in the bible seems to be too odd for me not to talk about somewhere.
What character is he claiming to be?This could be discussed here in the False Teachers & Other Nutters topic. But it might deserve its own topic.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2012,07:11) Would it make you happier if I cast pearls before swine or should I exercise wisdom regarding that. Surely the latter.
Hi T8,Are you now falsely accusing me of bring swine?
…or would you say that is my paranoia again since this post is clearly addressed to me, as is the reason for this thread.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2012,07:43) Quote (david @ Nov. 26 2012,18:31) “So why would you think it a strange thing for me also to be a character written in the bible
approx 400 years before I wrote the book that documents the “Proof of God””Ed, do you really believe you are a character written in the bible? I know this is from another thread, but realized its a thread between you two, and you believing you are in the bible seems to be too odd for me not to talk about somewhere.
What character is he claiming to be?This could be discussed here in the False Teachers & Other Nutters topic. But it might deserve its own topic.
(Link)Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2012,22:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2012,11:41) Quote (david @ Nov. 25 2012,22:31) Ed, do you really believe you are a character written in the bible?
I have no authority to speak about whether or not Ed was foretold in scripture. I will, however, vouch for the fact that he is a character.
Quite a character, huh?
Such a character that I'm writing a book about you. It's called “Lord of the Flies – The Prophecy Years”.Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,11:02) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2012,07:11) Would it make you happier if I cast pearls before swine or should I exercise wisdom regarding that. Surely the latter.
Hi T8,Are you now falsely accusing me of bring swine?
…or would you say that is my paranoia again since this post is clearly addressed to me, as is the reason for this thread.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Actually no. I wasn't thinking of anyone in particular. I was thinking that if I was to put certain stuff out there, it would almost be a given that it would be trampled under foot by some here.Hence part of the reason why I was suggesting a different forum for that sort of thing.
Really Ed J, there is no conspiracy here. Just a desire to connect with the right people to discuss some things at a deeper level. Something that is not possible here unless it is an exclusive discussion that has a set of rules.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,08:02) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2012,07:11) Would it make you happier if I cast pearls before swine or should I exercise wisdom regarding that. Surely the latter.
Hi T8,Are you now falsely accusing me of bring swine?
…or would you say that is my paranoia again since this post is clearly addressed to me, as is the reason for this thread.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, which thread was it where you were talking to t8 and he said: “now you have done it” and then he created this thread the same day? I can't remember which thread it was.Quote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2012,07:12) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 28 2012,02:41) To all………All doctrines that separate Jesus from humanity is False, Jesus never “Preexisted” his Berth on this earth in any form what so ever.
Who here is separating Jesus from humanity?Although he existed in the form of God;
He emptied himself;
Partook of flesh, that is he was born as a man into this world;
Died for our sins and was raised up again;
Went to be with the Father in the glory that he had with the Father before the world began;
And now we who are of him will be transformed as he is, as our lowly bodies will be like his.So there you have it. He is like us or we like him.
He calls us brothers.So obviously if you understand the above, you can plainly see that we do not separate Jesus from humanity as your mind seems to think so. Quite the opposite if you really see what we are saying.
So how about getting back on topic and stop turning everything into a we don't believe that Jesus is like us argument.
T8…….You make Jesus out to be something other then a simply human being tha tis a fact rather you admit it or not, You give him a preexistent status , so that alone Separates himfrom us you as the Gnostic's believe he was preexistent god or demigod or what ever .If you see Jessu as purely a human being then please explain to us why God would Morphe him into a human in the first place. You may kid yourse4lf about your Seperation of Jeuss from our Exact Idenity with Him, But you are only kidding yourself not us. IMO
You have made him your Idol and can't even see it IMO>peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2012,07:12) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 28 2012,02:41) To all………All doctrines that separate Jesus from humanity is False, Jesus never “Preexisted” his Berth on this earth in any form what so ever.
Who here is separating Jesus from humanity?Although he existed in the form of God;
He emptied himself;
Partook of flesh, that is he was born as a man into this world;
Died for our sins and was raised up again;
Went to be with the Father in the glory that he had with the Father before the world began;
And now we who are of him will be transformed as he is, as our lowly bodies will be like his.So there you have it. He is like us or we like him.
He calls us brothers.So obviously if you understand the above, you can plainly see that we do not separate Jesus from humanity as your mind seems to think so. Quite the opposite if you really see what we are saying.
So how about getting back on topic and stop turning everything into a we don't believe that Jesus is like us argument.
T8…….You make Jesus out to be something other then a simply human being that is a fact which denies God work in humanity, rather you admit it or not, You give him a preexistent status, that alone makes him different then us and that alone Separates him from us, you as well as the Gnostic's believe he was preexistent god or demigod or what ever you can't even tell us what he was before his berth can you?You attrubute all these qualities to him. You don't seem to be intellegent enough to realize God was not dealing with mankind through some Morphed Preexistent Being of any kind, but a pure human being who was Prophesied to come from the roots of man or Mankind and no where does scripture say any different nor any Prophet of God either.
If you see Jesus as purely a human being then please explain to us why God would Morph him into a human in the first place. You may kid yourself about your Separation of Jesus from our Exact Identity with Him, But you are only kidding yourself not us. You have made him your Idol and can't even see it IMO>
You as well as all Trinitarian and Preexistence Preach a Doctrine that separates Jesus' exact idenity with the rest of his brothers and sisters no matter what you say IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Quote (david @ Nov. 28 2012,15:38) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,08:02) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2012,07:11) Would it make you happier if I cast pearls before swine or should I exercise wisdom regarding that. Surely the latter.
Hi T8,Are you now falsely accusing me of bring swine?
…or would you say that is my paranoia again since this post is clearly addressed to me, as is the reason for this thread.
God bless
Ed J
Ed, which thread was it where you were talking to t8 and he said: “now you have done it”
and then he created this thread the same day? I can't remember which thread it was.
Hi David, (Link)Maybe…
…you need more a bit more dopamine? 
That way you too can see Patterns that really do exist?
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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