Examination of the incarnation doctrine.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2011,02:32)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2011,11:05) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2011,20:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2011,12:44) Yes Ed……………..”as of” the only begotten.  Go on………….. Hi Mike, Pretty simple really: The glory is God's, which is first seen in (“Jesus”=74) his “God Son”(74), then also seen in us. (See Romans 5:2, 8:18, 9:23-24) God bless Ed J Hi Ed, So you're saying that God is  His own “only begotten”?  I don't understand. peace, mike Hi Mike, So you're saying that God is  “IN”  His own “only begotten”?   <– Fixed God bless Ed J

Hi Ed,

Who exactly IS God's “only begotten” then?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2011,06:52)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2011,02:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2011,11:05) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2011,20:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2011,12:44) Yes Ed……………..”as of” the only begotten.  Go on………….. Hi Mike, Pretty simple really: The glory is God's, which is first seen in (“Jesus”=74) his “God Son”(74), then also seen in us. (See Romans 5:2, 8:18, 9:23-24) God bless Ed J Hi Ed, So you're saying that God is  His own “only begotten”?  I don't understand. peace, mike Hi Mike, So you're saying that God is  “IN”  His own “only begotten”?   <– Fixed God bless Ed J Hi Ed, Who exactly IS God's “only begotten” then?

Hi Mike,

In English, we say, Jesus.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

So Jesus IS the only begotten from the Father, and therefore IS the one who had the glory as of the only begotten from the Father?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2011,07:47)

So Jesus IS the only begotten from the Father, and therefore IS the one who had the glory as of the only begotten from the Father?

Hi Mike,

The Word came unto his own, and his own received him not.
But as many as received him(The Word), gave he(The Word)
power to become the sons of God. (John 1:11-12 / Heb.2:28)

“The Word” was made flesh, (and the Apostles beheld the father's glory,) as he sired his only begotten son.
That was the first recorded occurrence that  “The Word”  became flesh; here is more… (Acts 12:24 / Acts 19:20)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2011,11:44)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 27 2011,01:26) ED j……….Kerwins last statement is correct brother.  Jesus or us did not preexist our berths on this earth, we were all in the “WILL” and “PLAN”  of GOD but came into “BEING” at our appointed times. IMO peace and love………………………………gene Hi Gene, Five Common Fallacies, Don't Be Fooled By Them 1) Believing what you currently think the truth is, actually is “The Truth” ? 2) Making up scenarios to illustrate this believed truth, is proof that it is true ? ? 3) Repeating  ‘it’  over and over helps to substantiate, to others, the fact IT IS true ? ? ? 5) Believing that if you get others to agree with you, is FURTHER proof that  ‘it’  is correct ? ? ? ? 4) Believing counter arguments are all  ‘fake’,  while your own scenarios are rock solid PROOF ? ? ? ? ? THE (real) TRUTH By Ed J.   http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

good post i like it

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2011,16:14)

Hi Mike, The Word came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him(The Word), gave he(The Word) power to become the sons of God. (John 1:11-12 / Heb.2:28) “The Word” was made flesh, (and the Apostles beheld the father's glory,) as he sired his only begotten son. That was the first recorded occurrence that  “The Word”  became flesh; here is more… (Acts 12:24 / Acts 19:20) God bless Ed J

Don't pull out on me now, Ed.  We were doing just fine point by point.  This was my last point:

So Jesus IS the only begotten from the Father, and therefore IS the one who had the glory as of the only begotten from the Father?

Please DIRECTLY address this post without going off into other things. Jesus either IS these things, or he is NOT. Which is it?

peace,
mike

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2011,09:36)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2011,16:14) Hi Mike, The Word came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him(The Word), gave he(The Word) power to become the sons of God. (John 1:11-12 / Heb.2:28) “The Word” was made flesh, (and the Apostles beheld the father's glory,) as he sired his only begotten son. That was the first recorded occurrence that  “The Word”  became flesh; here is more… (Acts 12:24 / Acts 19:20) God bless Ed J Don't pull out on me now, Ed.  We were doing just fine point by point.  This was my last point: So Jesus IS the only begotten from the Father, and therefore IS the one who had the glory as of the only begotten from the Father? Please DIRECTLY address this post without going off into other things.  Jesus either IS these things, or he is NOT.  Which is it? peace, mike

Hi Mike,

You're the one who quits our Scriptural discussions, not me.
YOU are taking what you believe to be your strongest piece
of evidence, and “you” attempt to message it even stronger.
Is this not a clue to you that you may be on the wrong track?
Consider these FEW of the MANY Scriptures I can present…

1) The Word maketh the Son of God. (Heb.7:28)
2) Jesus speaks the Father's word. (John 14:24)
3) Belief in The Word saves you. (Luke 18:12)
4) Born again by The Word of God. (1Peter 4:23)
5) Believers speak The Word of God. (Acts 4:31)
6) The Word of God makes you clean. (John 15:3)
7) The seed is The Word of God. (Luke 11:18)
8) The Word grew and multiplied. (Acts 12:24)
9) The Word increased in number. (Acts 6:7)
10) The Word of God prevailed. (Acts 19:20)

11) What? came The Word of God out from you?
or came it unto you only? (1 Cor 14:36)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2011,09:15)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2011,11:44) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 27 2011,01:26) ED j……….Kerwins last statement is correct brother.  Jesus or us did not preexist our berths on this earth, we were all in the “WILL” and “PLAN”  of GOD but came into “BEING” at our appointed times. IMO peace and love………………………………gene Hi Gene, Five Common Fallacies, Don't Be Fooled By Them 1) Believing what you currently think the truth is, actually is “The Truth” ? 2) Making up scenarios to illustrate this believed truth, is proof that it is true ? ? 3) Repeating  ‘it’  over and over helps to substantiate, to others, the fact IT IS true ? ? ? 5) Believing that if you get others to agree with you, is FURTHER proof that  ‘it’  is correct ? ? ? ? 4) Believing counter arguments are all  ‘fake’,  while your own scenarios are rock solid PROOF ? ? ? ? ? THE (real) TRUTH By Ed J.   http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj good post i like it Pierre

Thank you Pierre,

I was inspired by David's thread (the JW). (Link)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2011,18:01)

Hi Mike, You're the one who quits our Scriptural discussions, not me.

Hi Ed,

As I see it, you have now realized that you are backed into a corner. What you are now doing is exactly what I told Irene two days ago in a pm that you would do.

I have posed these points for you……………

So Jesus IS the only begotten from the Father, and therefore IS the one who had the glory as of the only begotten from the Father?

……………..will you address them directly or not?

peace,
mike

[terraricca]

edj

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1) The Word maketh the Son of God. (Heb.7:28) 2) Jesus speaks the Father's word. (John 14:24) 3) Belief in The Word saves you. (Luke 18:12) 4) Born again by The Word of God. (1Peter 4:23) 5) Believers speak The Word of God. (Acts 4:31) 6) The Word of God makes you clean. (John 15:3) 7) The seed is The Word of God. (Luke 11:18) 8) The Word grew and multiplied. (Acts 12:24) 9) The Word increased in number. (Acts 6:7) 10) The Word of God prevailed. (Acts 19:20) 11) What? came The Word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? (1 Cor 14:36)

all those scriptures you quote are NOT the ” THE WORD OF GOD” from JOHN 1 ;1 OR REV;19-

the scriptures are the word of God and by obey them you can do all the things 1-11

now the seed does not mean the word of God of it self but the seed is the gospel or good news that people hears and that go's to the heart or the stones ,where it can either grow or die ,

also the word of God is the truth ,and so will always prevails

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2011,13:11)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2011,18:01) Hi Mike, You're the one who quits our Scriptural discussions, not me. Hi Ed, As I see it, you have now realized that you are backed into a corner.  What you are now doing is exactly what I told Irene two days ago in a pm that you would do. I have posed these points for you…………… So Jesus IS the only begotten from the Father, and therefore IS the one who had the glory as of the only begotten from the Father? ……………..will you address them directly or not? peace, mike

Hi Mike,

I did address that sentence.
(Look on page 232 Posts 1 & 8)
You changed the wording to better
match your preconceived ideas of truth.

I gave you 11 points of Scripture, which you
ignore, and instead you push your words forth.
Your words do not supersede “The Word” of God.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2011,13:13)

edj Quote 1) The Word maketh the Son of God. (Heb.7:28) 2) Jesus speaks the Father's word. (John 14:24) 3) Belief in The Word saves you. (Luke 18:12) 4) Born again by The Word of God. (1Peter 4:23) 5) Believers speak The Word of God. (Acts 4:31) 6) The Word of God makes you clean. (John 15:3) 7) The seed is The Word of God. (Luke 11:18) 8) The Word grew and multiplied. (Acts 12:24) 9) The Word increased in number. (Acts 6:7) 10) The Word of God prevailed. (Acts 19:20) 11) What? came The Word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? (1 Cor 14:36) all those scriptures you quote are NOT the ” THE WORD OF GOD” from JOHN 1 ;1 OR REV;19- the scriptures are the word of God and by obey them you can do all the things 1-11 now the seed does not mean the word of God of it self but the seed is the gospel or good news that people hears and that go's to the heart or the stones ,where it can either grow or die , also the word of God is the truth ,and so will always prevails Pierre

Hi Pierre,

Does eternal life die? Jesus' died, but “The Word” NEVER DID. Read carefully what John says…

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes,
which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of “The Word” of life; (For the life
was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life,
which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard
declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with
the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. (1John 1:1-3) Compare  Rev.19:11-21 to Isaiah 63:2-10.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2011,20:32)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2011,13:11) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2011,18:01) Hi Mike, You're the one who quits our Scriptural discussions, not me. Hi Ed, As I see it, you have now realized that you are backed into a corner.  What you are now doing is exactly what I told Irene two days ago in a pm that you would do. I have posed these points for you…………… So Jesus IS the only begotten from the Father, and therefore IS the one who had the glory as of the only begotten from the Father? ……………..will you address them directly or not? peace, mike Hi Mike, I did address that sentence. (Look on page 232 Posts 1 & 8) You changed the wording to better match your preconceived ideas of truth. I gave you 11 points of Scripture, which you ignore, and instead you push your words forth. Your words do not supersede “The Word” of God. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,

I apparently did not see your answer.  So please just answer YES or NO to it now.  It takes you a lot less time to type “Y E S” than it does for me to search back in the thread.

Would you do so please?  What are you afraid of Ed?  Ed, we were having such a nice, simple conversation.  Don't go all “paladin” on me now, okay? Jesus either IS God's only begotten, and therefore the one who had the glory of God's only begotten, or he is NOT. Which is it?

mike

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2011,13:50)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2011,20:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2011,13:11) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2011,18:01) Hi Mike, You're the one who quits our Scriptural discussions, not me. Hi Ed, As I see it, you have now realized that you are backed into a corner.  What you are now doing is exactly what I told Irene two days ago in a pm that you would do. I have posed these points for you…………… So Jesus IS the only begotten from the Father, and therefore IS the one who had the glory as of the only begotten from the Father? ……………..will you address them directly or not? peace, mike Hi Mike, I did address that sentence. (Look on page 232 Posts 1 & 8) You changed the wording to better match your preconceived ideas of truth. I gave you 11 points of Scripture, which you ignore, and instead you push your words forth. Your words do not supersede “The Word” of God. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed, I apparently did not see your answer.  So please just answer YES or NO to it now.  It takes you a lot less time to type “Y E S” than it does for me to search back in the thread. Would you do so please?  What are you afraid of Ed?  Ed, we were having such a nice, simple conversation.  Don't go all “paladin” on me now, okay?  Jesus either IS God's only begotten, and therefore the one who had the glory of God's only begotten, or he is NOT.  Which is it? mike

Hi Mike,

So Jesus was the only begotten of God? <– Yes
Jesus therefore had the glory of God as of the only begotten of the Father. <– Yes

This is twice now that I have offered you an answer using different wording, allowing for the answer of your choice; Yes.
But you will likely reject this adjustment to your wording, as you have also rejected all the Scriptural backing I have presented.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2011,14:42)

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2011,16:12) Irene, 1 John 1:4-2 is speaking of the spirit beyond the letter of a teaching and not directly about the Holy Spirit.  Indirectly it can be stated to referring to the one teaching that instruct those that adhere to it how to receive and live according to godly character (spirit) The Hebrew word “ruwach” is translated to “Spirit”.   It is a feminism noun indicating the Spirit of God is a feminine aspect of God just as the Wisdom of God is.   Women are child bearers and thus the Spirit is the Dam to God’s Sire in story of creation.  In other words the Spirit is God’s creative force which is a part of him that acts independently of him but according to his word. It is written that the wages of sin is death.  God’s spirit is his seat of character as well as his creative force.  His godly character thus struggled with the spirit of corruption in man in order to extend the life of human kind in accordance with His Word.  Instead of a continuous and doomed struggle, caused by the corruption in mankind, he then chose to put a time limit on his struggle d.  That corruption is spoken as the flesh of in Galatians 5:16- , Job speaks of his creation which is a type of Adam’s creation in that God spoke his Word and thus Sired Job and the Spirit performed the Word and thus became the Dam of Job.  Never the less, Job’s spirit fell short of God’s essential character because he is flesh and not Spirit. Ephesians 4:- specifically states there that the one Spirit is part of the unity of the Spirit and that the one God is another part of the unity of the Spirit.   It does not state they are the same part.   There is one Spirit because there is only one Godly character which each part of the unity lives according to. God is incorporeal but he is the whole while his spirit though also incorporeal is merely a part of the whole that serves as his creative force and spokeswoman.   All the applicable scriptures you mention only address those two aspects of the Spirit of God. I myself originally believed that Jesus preexisted his conception until it was revealed to me that one cannot exist before they are conceived (exist). Hi Kerwin, I was very impressed with this post, that is until I got to the last line. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J.

If you would explain why that line does not impress you then perhaps we can discuss it. Until then I have no idea why it does.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2011,20:45)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2011,13:13) edj Quote 1) The Word maketh the Son of God. (Heb.7:28) 2) Jesus speaks the Father's word. (John 14:24) 3) Belief in The Word saves you. (Luke 18:12) 4) Born again by The Word of God. (1Peter 4:23) 5) Believers speak The Word of God. (Acts 4:31) 6) The Word of God makes you clean. (John 15:3) 7) The seed is The Word of God. (Luke 11:18) 8) The Word grew and multiplied. (Acts 12:24) 9) The Word increased in number. (Acts 6:7) 10) The Word of God prevailed. (Acts 19:20) 11) What? came The Word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? (1 Cor 14:36) all those scriptures you quote are NOT the ” THE WORD OF GOD” from JOHN 1 ;1 OR REV;19- the scriptures are the word of God and by obey them you can do all the things 1-11 now the seed does not mean the word of God of it self but the seed is the gospel or good news that people hears and that go's to the heart or the stones ,where it can either grow or die , also the word of God is the truth ,and so will always prevails Pierre Hi Pierre, Does eternal life die? Jesus' died, but “The Word” NEVER DID. Read carefully what John says… That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of “The Word” of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. (1John 1:1-3) Compare  Rev.19:11-21 to Isaiah 63:2-10. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

read this I have ad some for understanding ;

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word(when man was created), and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
Jn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.(of creation )
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light(the words of the grace of God ,the reconciliation from God to men;this meant live to whoever accepted ) of men.

Jn 1:9 The true light(the truth from God and to prove he was who he said he was, he fulfilled the law, with all what was said abode what the Christ should do ,true to the letter) that gives light to every man was coming into the world.

Jn 6:51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
Jn 6:57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
Jn 6:58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever.”

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Does eternal life die?

THE WORD OF GOD ,CAME INTO THE WORLD TO GIVE HIS FLESH BODY AS A PERFECT OFFERING IN RANSOM FOR MEN SINS,

why would his soul die ? and stay dead ? our souls do not die until Gods judgment ,and Christ by obeying his father to the fullest and to dead ,was judge totally righteous and so was the first one among many brothers (144k) to be resurrected,and later (40days)so return to his father and took his name back in heaven ,”THE WORD OF GOD”

THIS WITH MORE GLORY THAN BEFORE ,God had place him now to clean up the heaven and will soon clean up the earth and dead will be no more ,and all will be of God and from God.

Pierre

[kerwin]

Irene,

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Kerwin! And now you are going to ignore those Scriptures that teach that Jesus did preexist???

Scripture does not contradict and therefore those that seem to state Jesus is preexistent are simply misunderstood.  This is because scripture clearly states that Jesus, like his cousin John the Baptist, was miraculously conceived in his mother’s womb.

Jesus teaches us that his point of view is of the spirit and not of the flesh and so when he teaches he teaches of the spirit and not of the flesh.  

Here is a question that is from the spirit.

Was the baptism John the Baptist taught from heaven or from man?

A man with a spiritual point of view will say it comes from heaven even though John is a man while a man with a fleshly point of view will say it comes from man because John is a man.

Similarly a man with a spiritual point of view know that the Jesus teaches about the Spirit of Christ within him coming from above.

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What verse are you talking about?

I transfixed the numbers of the address of the scripture you previously quoted.  The correct address is 1 John 4:1-2 and not 1 John 1:4-2.  I apologize for causing confusion with my error.  

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And what exactly does this have to do with the preexisting and John 1:1-14….nothing….

1 John 1:1-4 is a parallel scripture to John 1:1- as  is states “and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father” similar to the idea expressed in John 1:1.   It also states “That which was from the beginning,” and “Word of life” even as John 1- speaks of live being in the word.    When it declares “For the life was manifested” is declares that the Word of life was made flesh.

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The Word of God became flesh, Kerwin…  HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER….. FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH

You state that but what scripture states is the Word made manifest has the glory as of the glory of the only begotten and thus compares two aparently seperate glories.

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You tell me who that is…. can God Holy Spirit become flesh

The Spirit is made flesh every time a son of God is born as it dwells in flesh and thus becomes manifest in the flesh.

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Now I will say to you, its done… Let the God Jehovah deal with all that is truth…. if I am wrong, He will in due time correct me, if you are wrong, He will do the same to you, through our Lord and King  Jesus Christ our Savior…Amen…

May it become as you say.

[Pastry]

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1 John 1:1-4 is a parallel scripture to John 1:1- as  is states “and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father” similar to the idea expressed in John 1:1.   It also states “That which was from the beginning,” and “Word of life” even as John 1- speaks of live being in the word.    When it declares “For the life was manifested” is declares that the Word of life was made flesh.

Kerwin!  How interesting, however I see what you have to do to make it look like your view, rather then reading what it really said…..
In the beginning was The Word and the Word was God.  And The Word was with God…..that is what it says…. and then in verse 14 it states that The Word of God became flesh, and we beheld His glory of the only begotten of the Father…. And who is the only begotten of the Father?  Jesus Christ…. That is who became flesh… as simple as that….. Put this is front of a 8 year old, and He can grasp it, while those like You and others who are blind to the truth, don't see it….

1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.  

1Jo 4:2   Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:  

Correct,  Did I ever say that Jesus did  not become flesh?? No….Jesus did become flesh, the only begotten of the Father is no other being but Jesus…But thinking that John 1:14 and The Word of God is Gods Holy Spirit is the wrong Spirit……and not the only begotten of the Father, but Gods Holy Spirit…… One more thing Kerwin, anytime you accuse a Brethren you accuse yourself… and God see's it….be assured of that my friend.,.. now you walking on Gene's road…
Peace Irene

[Paladin]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2011,04:44)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 27 2011,01:26) ED j……….Kerwins last statement is correct brother.  Jesus or us did not preexist our berths on this earth, we were all in the “WILL” and “PLAN”  of GOD but came into “BEING” at our appointed times. IMO peace and love………………………………gene Hi Gene, Five Common Fallacies, Don't Be Fooled By Them 1) Believing what you currently think the truth is, actually is “The Truth” ? 2) Making up scenarios to illustrate this believed truth, is proof that it is true ? ? 3) Repeating  ‘it’  over and over helps to substantiate, to others, the fact IT IS true ? ? ? 5) Believing that if you get others to agree with you, is FURTHER proof that  ‘it’  is correct ? ? ? ? 4) Believing counter arguments are all  ‘fake’,  while your own scenarios are rock solid PROOF ? ? ? ? ? THE (real) TRUTH By Ed J.   http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

What's that supposed to demonstrate Ed? You just described all communication between men.

Even YOU use the same tools, and you are certainly convinced you are correct in understanding.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2011,21:15)

Hi Mike, So Jesus was the only begotten of God? <– Yes

Hi Ed,

And as the only begotten of God, it is fitting that Jesus had the glory as of the only begotten of God, right?

The Word who was made flesh also had the glory as of the only begotten of God, right?  So if Jesus has the glory of God's ONLY begotten Son, and the Word has the glory of God's ONLY begotten Son, then what does that tell you?

At that time, God only had ONE “only begotten Son”.  So there would only be ONE in existence that would have the glory of God's only begotten Son.

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Jesus therefore had the glory of God as of the only begotten of the Father. <– Yes

God shares His own glory with no one.  Jesus can come IN the Father's glory, or act IN the Father's glory and great Name, but he doesn't POSSESS that glory or Name himself.

peace,
mike

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