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Nick Hassan:
Quote Hi KW,
Why should angelic servant messengers of God need to reproduce?
The thoughts seem to have come from within themselves.I guess you should speculate about what lust is. I believe lust is the misuse of sexual desires and if you do not have sexual desires then you cannot misuse them. The sexual desires are not the problem but rather if we choose to let them control us and so do corrupt things. Anger is much the same way as there is a righteous anger as Jesus demonstrated in the temple with the buyers and the sellers. There is also a legitimate place for giving into sexual desires and that is between a married man and woman at appropriate times and places in ways that does not include the misuse of the human body. Angels have no need for sexual desires as they are not given in marriage nor do they marry.
Nick Hassan:
Quote But angels can seem to be as men.
IF they crossbreed with human beings then they would be human beings as the genetic structure would need to match. True bestiality occurs but their are no offspring that are the result. I believe some scientists want to try to change that by breeding a chimpanzee human hybrid.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 18 2009,06:53) Hi TJ,
Man also was sexless till God took woman from his side.
Greetings Nick…….The man was (masculine)by virtue of creation…whether this definition is established by physical attributes is another subject….WO..MAN was (Female)by virtue of a contribution from the man…We must not forget that they were told to be fruitfull and multiply….In order for that to happen,I would think that God created the physical as well as the emotional resources to make that happen…In conclusion IMO Adam was complete at creation in a physical sense and therefore not sexless….what do you think..Hi KW,
From the time of the removal of woman from his side man lacked of his original creation.
The reunion is the plan of God symbolising the reunion between God and man in Christ.Ephesians 5:31-33
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
Greetings
Glancing through the posts I decided to ad my understanding to it.
The fact that angels don't marry, doesn't make them sexless; they are all males. God created them in such numbers, and with eternal life, there would be no need for procreation.
Enoch says, there were 200 angels that got together, and after watching the woman, overcome by lust, decided to go down to earth and marry them themselves. According to Enoch, these angels knew what they were about to do was wrong. This is what you read in Gen. 6. There offspring's were not only hybrids, but they were giants.
I saw a program on National Geographic once, were scientists crossbred a lion with a tiger, they called it a “ligor”, he not only looked like a lion and a tiger, but he was “much” larger than either.
It is easy for me to see were these giants violated the rights of of normal humans; kind of like the early west. As these giants increased in numbers, so did there violence.
By the time God told Noah to build an Ark, all flesh had become corrupt, become crossbreeds, with the only exception of Noah and his family.Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Noah's family was the only family left, untouched by hybrids.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.That is the reason God destroyed the world, not only for the violence.
There is much more to this subject, but I will leave here for now.Georg
Quote (Cindy @ Mar. 25 2009,00:34) Greetings Glancing through the posts I decided to ad my understanding to it.
The fact that angels don't marry, doesn't make them sexless; they are all males. God created them in such numbers, and with eternal life, there would be no need for procreation.
Enoch says, there were 200 angels that got together, and after watching the woman, overcome by lust, decided to go down to earth and marry them themselves. According to Enoch, these angels knew what they were about to do was wrong. This is what you read in Gen. 6. There offspring's were not only hybrids, but they were giants.
I saw a program on National Geographic once, were scientists crossbred a lion with a tiger, they called it a “ligor”, he not only looked like a lion and a tiger, but he was “much” larger than either.
It is easy for me to see were these giants violated the rights of of normal humans; kind of like the early west. As these giants increased in numbers, so did there violence.
By the time God told Noah to build an Ark, all flesh had become corrupt, become crossbreeds, with the only exception of Noah and his family.Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Noah's family was the only family left, untouched by hybrids.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.That is the reason God destroyed the world, not only for the violence.
There is much more to this subject, but I will leave here for now.Georg
Greetings George…..You have touched upon something that has aroused my curiosity….Could you direct me to where it is stated that the angels were male and sexless…..Thanks/ TJHi tj,
This may help.
Note it only speaks of ANGELS IN HEAVEN
Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Mark 12:25
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2009,06:39) Hi tj,
This may help.
Note it only speaks of ANGELS IN HEAVEN
Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Mark 12:25
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
This pertains only to those who come up in the first resurrection, because they will be spirit beings; as the angels.Georg
Quote (Cindy @ Mar. 25 2009,00:34) Greetings Glancing through the posts I decided to ad my understanding to it.
The fact that angels don't marry, doesn't make them sexless; they are all males. God created them in such numbers, and with eternal life, there would be no need for procreation.
Enoch says, there were 200 angels that got together, and after watching the woman, overcome by lust, decided to go down to earth and marry them themselves. According to Enoch, these angels knew what they were about to do was wrong. This is what you read in Gen. 6. There offspring's were not only hybrids, but they were giants.I saw a program on National Geographic once, were scientists crossbred a lion with a tiger, they called it a “ligor”, he not only looked like a lion and a tiger, but he was “much” larger than either.
It is easy for me to see were these giants violated the rights of of normal humans; kind of like the early west. As these giants increased in numbers, so did there violence.
By the time God told Noah to build an Ark, all flesh had become corrupt, become crossbreeds, with the only exception of Noah and his family.Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Noah's family was the only family left, untouched by hybrids.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.That is the reason God destroyed the world, not only for the violence.
There is much more to this subject, but I will leave here for now.Georg
How do you know God created them with eternal life?That very statement seems to go against scripture..
One foundation of the bible is that sin equals death and that eternal life is a reward given to the FAITHFUL!
Luke 20:34 And Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Man becomes equal to the angels because they do not die ANYMORE.
This seems to hint more that angels were not created immortal, but rather earned it as man has to.
Nothing is according to Enoch, the book of Enoch is a Pseudepigrapha.
The offspring in Genesis 6 are said to be MEN, not half rebel angels and half humans.
6:4There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.
Giants existed BEFORE the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and after.
Georg your delusional beliefs fall apart with one simple scripture.
The bible does NOT say that giants resulted from the sons of men mating with the daughters of men.
The bible clearly identifies that the sons of God are MEN, human beings!!
5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
So the pro wrestler Aundre the Giant was he a demon? What about dwarfs and little people are they demons too, the creation of evil angels mating with people?
Georg you need to study genetics and about the capabilities possible within the human body according to being a HUMAN BEING!!
Let's look at the Young Literals Translation-
4 The fallen ones were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them — they [are] the heroes, who, from of old, [are] the men of name. 5 And Jehovah seeth that abundant [is] the wickedness of man in the earth, and every imagination of the thoughts of his heart only evil all the day;All of earth became wicked when the righteous sons began to intermarry with the daughters of wicked men, that was the end of righteousness, for the sons of man became corrupt over the influence of their wives. I believe we see this in other places in the bible where a man becomes corrupt do to his choice in marriage and his wife's evil influences.
God destroyed the world it says because man was evil and that God was sorry that He made man, NOT because angels breaded with humans and then made the entire world evil.
The book of Enoch goes against what is written in Genesis.
Georg in my opinion you are a liar to the word of God.
God destroyed man not because he became evil through being part rebel angel, but because as the bible SAYS…5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 4:6 So the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.“
James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
Who invents evil??
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
God allows people to do wickedly according to their flesh. God has allowed people to fulfill the desires of the flesh, giving them over to a debased mind. The bible does not say that God has given people over to be influenced by rebel angels. Romans 1 says that man INVENTS evil.
Genesis is speaking of MEN who gave into their flesh by marrying daughter they shouldn't have, they gave in do to the beauty of the daughters and the lust of their FLESH. These woman were corrupt and thus influenced the SONS of God, turning the entire world corrupt.
Excuse me, but evil beings are not referred to as being SONS of God. God's faithful are called Sons of God.
Let's look closely at this once again…
Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
The sons of God are faithful, but God knows that man is indeed FLESH and His Spirit will not last long in them…becaus
e man is bound to give into his flesh over God. So indeed that is what we see in Genesis 6, MEN, the sons of God turn to their flesh, desiring after beautiful woman they should not marry.Quote (Cindy @ Mar. 25 2009,00:34) Greetings Glancing through the posts I decided to ad my understanding to it.
The fact that angels don't marry, doesn't make them sexless; they are all males. God created them in such numbers, and with eternal life, there would be no need for procreation.
Enoch says, there were 200 angels that got together, and after watching the woman, overcome by lust, decided to go down to earth and marry them themselves. According to Enoch, these angels knew what they were about to do was wrong. This is what you read in Gen. 6. There offspring's were not only hybrids, but they were giants.
I saw a program on National Geographic once, were scientists crossbred a lion with a tiger, they called it a “ligor”, he not only looked like a lion and a tiger, but he was “much” larger than either.
It is easy for me to see were these giants violated the rights of of normal humans; kind of like the early west. As these giants increased in numbers, so did there violence.
By the time God told Noah to build an Ark, all flesh had become corrupt, become crossbreeds, with the only exception of Noah and his family.Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Noah's family was the only family left, untouched by hybrids.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.That is the reason God destroyed the world, not only for the violence.
There is much more to this subject, but I will leave here for now.Georg
Georg you said, “By the time God told Noah to build an Ark, all flesh had become corrupt, become crossbreeds, with the only exception of Noah and his family.Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Noah's family was the only family left, untouched by hybrids.”
IMO this is such a bunch of bologna!
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Georg you CANNOT add to scripture so it can fit with your delusional doctrine. What you speak of simply just does not exist in the bible.
God destroyed man in the flood, it says that He would destroy MAN OF WHOM HE MADE, not of whom some fallen angels created through breeding.
Genesis 8:21 And when the Lord smelled the pleasing odor, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of humankind, for the inclination of the human heart is evil from youth; nor will I ever again destroy every living creature as I have done.
FROM man's youth does he have an inclination for evil. The world was not made corrupt by half breeds. The world was made corrupt then and now because from our youth we are born 'children of wrath', having the inclination to follow our flesh and it's desires and lusts, over God.
Children must be TAUGHT patience, sharing, selflessness, because it is in their nature as a survival mechanism to be selfish. Men are likened to brute beasts, not to rebel angels. Nature on earth is in a state of evil. Why are men often referred to as barbarians…because they are acting like higher intelligent angels?? Because they are being manipulated by angels? NO, the bible substantiates no such idea. When man is acting like a barbarian, he is acting like a creature of earth's creation, he is acting from his natural instincts, and not from the wisdom and discipline of God.
Psalms 73:21 When my heart was grieved and my spirit embittered, 22 I was senseless and ignorant; I was a brute beast before you.
2Pe 2:12 But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
Jude 5:10 Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals–these are the very things that destroy them.
Jude 5:18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. 20 But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit.
The book of Enoch in my opinion is an obvious load of crap, it is a peace of fiction created by the delusions of men.
Hello Georg,
That is me, my husband took that picture two weeks ago, so thanks Georg for the kind words
I can see why you wouldn't expect that to be me, looks can be deceiving, I know I can be pretty brutal on this forum. Irene knows from a conversation we had awhile back that I come from a loud family where we love to debate intensely and where things often get a little ugly. My husband finds it fascinating that we can yell and get so intense with each other but at the end of the night it's all hugs and no hurt feelings….well most of the time anyway.
and the puppy….that's our newest addition to the family, our first dog Maggy, she's a very sweet beagle. My little girls are just loving the pieces out of her. I'm having quite the time keeping her away from their toys, and of course our shoes!!
Blessings to you and Irene, Jodi
Quote (Jodi Lee @ May 08 2009,08:51) Quote (Cindy @ Mar. 25 2009,00:34) Greetings Glancing through the posts I decided to ad my understanding to it.
The fact that angels don't marry, doesn't make them sexless; they are all males. God created them in such numbers, and with eternal life, there would be no need for procreation.
Enoch says, there were 200 angels that got together, and after watching the woman, overcome by lust, decided to go down to earth and marry them themselves. According to Enoch, these angels knew what they were about to do was wrong. This is what you read in Gen. 6. There offspring's were not only hybrids, but they were giants.
I saw a program on National Geographic once, were scientists crossbred a lion with a tiger, they called it a “ligor”, he not only looked like a lion and a tiger, but he was “much” larger than either.
It is easy for me to see were these giants violated the rights of of normal humans; kind of like the early west. As these giants increased in numbers, so did there violence.
By the time God told Noah to build an Ark, all flesh had become corrupt, become crossbreeds, with the only exception of Noah and his family.Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Noah's family was the only family left, untouched by hybrids.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.That is the reason God destroyed the world, not only for the violence.
There is much more to this subject, but I will leave here for now.Georg
Georg you said, “By the time God told Noah to build an Ark, all flesh had become corrupt, become crossbreeds, with the only exception of Noah and his family.Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Noah's family was the only family left, untouched by hybrids.”
IMO this is such a bunch of bologna!
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Georg you CANNOT add to scripture so it can fit with your delusional doctrine. What you speak of simply just does not exist in the bible.
God destroyed man in the flood, it says that He would destroy MAN OF WHOM HE MADE, not of whom some fallen angels created through breeding.
Genesis 8:21 And when the Lord smelled the pleasing odor, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of humankind, for the inclination of the human heart is evil from youth; nor will I ever again destroy every living creature as I have done.
FROM man's youth does he have an inclination for evil. The world was not made corrupt by half breeds. The world was made corrupt then and now because from our youth we are born 'children of wrath', having the inclination to follow our flesh and it's desires and lusts, over God.
Children must be TAUGHT patience, sharing, selflessness, because it is in their nature as a survival mechanism to be selfish. Men are likened to brute beasts, not to rebel angels. Nature on earth is in a state of evil. Why are men often referred to as barbarians…because they are acting like higher intelligent angels?? Because they are being manipulated by angels? NO, the bible substantiates no such idea. When man is acting like a barbarian, he is acting like a creature of earth's creation, he is acting from his natural instincts, and not from the wisdom and discipline of God.
Psalms 73:21 When my heart was grieved and my spirit embittered, 22 I was senseless and ignorant; I was a brute beast before you.
2Pe 2:12 But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
Jude 5:10 Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals–these are the very things that destroy them.
Jude 5:18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. 20 But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit.
The book of Enoch in my opinion is an obvious load of crap, it is a peace of fiction created by the delusions of men.
Hi Georg,I would really appreciate it if you could respond to this post from awhile back.
Thanks, Jodi
Quote (Jodi Lee @ May 08 2009,05:16) Quote (Cindy @ Mar. 25 2009,00:34) Greetings Glancing through the posts I decided to ad my understanding to it.
The fact that angels don't marry, doesn't make them sexless; they are all males. God created them in such numbers, and with eternal life, there would be no need for procreation.
Enoch says, there were 200 angels that got together, and after watching the woman, overcome by lust, decided to go down to earth and marry them themselves. According to Enoch, these angels knew what they were about to do was wrong. This is what you read in Gen. 6. There offspring's were not only hybrids, but they were giants.I saw a program on National Geographic once, were scientists crossbred a lion with a tiger, they called it a “ligor”, he not only looked like a lion and a tiger, but he was “much” larger than either.
It is easy for me to see were these giants violated the rights of of normal humans; kind of like the early west. As these giants increased in numbers, so did there violence.
By the time God told Noah to build an Ark, all flesh had become corrupt, become crossbreeds, with the only exception of Noah and his family.Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Noah's family was the only family left, untouched by hybrids.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.That is the reason God destroyed the world, not only for the violence.
There is much more to this subject, but I will leave here for now.Georg
How do you know God created them with eternal life?That very statement seems to go against scripture..
One foundation of the bible is that sin equals death and that eternal life is a reward given to the FAITHFUL!
Luke 20:34 And Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Man becomes equal to the angels because they do not die ANYMORE.
This seems to hint more that angels were not created immortal, but rather earned it as man has to.
Nothing is according to Enoch, the book of Enoch is a Pseudepigrapha.
The offspring in Genesis 6 are said to be MEN, not half rebel angels and half humans.
6:4There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.
Giants existed BEFORE the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and after.
Georg your delusional beliefs fall apart with one simple scripture.
The bible does NOT say that giants resulted from the sons of men mating with the daughters of men.
The bible clearly identifies that the sons of God are MEN, human beings!!
5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
So the pro wrestler Aundre the Giant was he a demon? What about dwarfs and little people are they demons too, the creation of evil angels mating with people?
Georg you need to study genetics and about the capabilities possible within the human body according to being a HUMAN BEING!!
Let's look at the Young Literals Translation-
4 The fallen ones were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them — they [are] the heroes, who, from of old, [are] the men of name. 5 And Jehovah seeth that abundant [is] the wickedness of man in the earth, and every imagination of the thoughts of his heart only evil all the day;All of earth became wicked when the righteous sons began to intermarry with the daughters of wicked men, that was the end of righteousness, for the sons of man became corrupt over the influence of their wives. I believe we see this in other places in the bible where a man becomes corrupt do to his choice in marriage and his wife's evil influences.
God destroyed the world it says because man was evil and that God was sorry that He made man, NOT because angels breaded with humans and then made the entire world evil.
The book of Enoch goes against what is written in Genesis.
Georg in my opinion you are a liar to the word of God.
God destroyed man not because he became evil through being part rebel angel, but because as the bible SAYS…5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 4:6 So the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.“
James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
Who invents evil??
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
God allows people to do wickedly according to their flesh. God has allowed people to fulfill the desires of the flesh, giving them over to a debased mind. The bible does not say that God has given people over to be influenced by rebel angels. Romans 1 says that man INVENTS evil.
Genesis is speaking of MEN who gave into their flesh by marrying daughter they shouldn't have, they gave in do to the beauty of the daughters and the lust of their FLESH. These woman were corrupt and thus influenced the SONS of God, turning the entire world corrupt.
Excuse me, but evil beings are not referred to as being SONS of God. God's faithful are called Sons of God.
Let's look closely at this once again…
Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the e
arth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.The sons of God are faithful, but God knows that man is indeed FLESH and His Spirit will not last long in them…because man is bound to give into his flesh over God. So indeed that is what we see in Genesis 6, MEN, the sons of God turn to their flesh, desiring after beautiful woman they should not marry.
and this one too please.Jodi If you call somebody a liar, don't expect them to further debate with you. I think I would not either. Calling others names, is not very nice to do. So my Husband will not further engage with you.
Peace and Love Irene
Quote (Cindy @ June 19 2009,01:37) Jodi If you call somebody a liar, don't expect them to further debate with you. I think I would not either. Calling others names, is not very nice to do. So my Husband will not further engage with you.
Peace and Love Irene
Irene when someone says that Jesus did not pre-exist do you consider that a lie?When someone says that God is three persons do you consider that to be a lie?
I told Georg that IMO he is a liar to the scriptures. I have told Georg as well, that I do not believe that he is intentionally lying, but none of the less what he teaches IMO is a lie.
I don't believe that Satan is a fallen angel, because of your belief that he is, don't you consider my belief a lie?
Georg had said, “Noah's family was the only family left, untouched by hybrids.”
Just like fallen angel is not found in the bible neither is hybrids.
Genesis 6:4 1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. 3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
Scripture tells us directly that the evil that came during the time of Noah was because of MEN. God says that He was sorry that He had made man, He did not say He was sorry that He allowed rebel angels to breed with humans. When would evil rebel spirits ever be referred to as Sons of God anyway?? I stand behind my accusation that when Georg says the evil on earth was due to hybrids, he is speaking lies and being a LIAR.
Let me add to why I was, rather am, so bold with Georg. There are some scriptures that do indeed take considerable investigation and often need the use of other scriptures in order to understand those that are more difficult. Those scriptures are usually often debated and people end up going back and forth with their ideas. I don't find that to be the case whatsoever with Genesis 6. Georg is so obviously adding and distorting to scripture IMO it's absolutely ridiculous. I have just as much right, to defend what I believe is the truth, as anyone else does Irene. If I think someone is creating and teaching lies through their own ideas, I'm darn well going to call them out on it.
I am sorry that Georg has to be so sensitive. Personally when someone calls me a liar, it gives me ALL the more initiative to want to prove my stance. After all, many people are on this forum and read our posts.
I could care less about what someone else thinks of me I would want to defend myself for the sake of standing behind what I believe is the truth, Jodi
Jodi why do you find it neccesaty to call anybody no matter what a liar? If they see Scriptures differently that would be their problem, not mine. I guess you and Gene like to do that right? There is no Satan and He was not Lucifer. He was a man and went to get God of His Throne and 1/3 of the Angels went with him.
And I guess Jesus did not tell us that nobody has ascended to Heaven except who came from Heaven.
That man dd according to Gene. Line upon line and precept upon precept is not the way I should study either. Do me a favor and don't engage me with another post either. I am done with you and Gene. I don't need that crap, I am getting to old for that.
Good night IreneQuote (Cindy @ June 19 2009,17:10) Jodi why do you find it neccesaty to call anybody no matter what a liar? If they see Scriptures differently that would be their problem, not mine. I guess you and Gene like to do that right? There is no Satan and He was not Lucifer. He was a man and went to get God of His Throne and 1/3 of the Angels went with him.
And I guess Jesus did not tell us that nobody has ascended to Heaven except who came from Heaven.
That man dd according to Gene. Line upon line and precept upon precept is not the way I should study either. Do me a favor and don't engage me with another post either. I am done with you and Gene. I don't need that crap, I am getting to old for that.
Good night Irene
What do the scriptures actually say….Isaiah 14:4 that you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say: “How the oppressor has ceased, The golden city ceased!
Clear as day scripture says KING. Scripture does not say fallen angel or rebel spirits.
5 The Lord has broken the staff of the wicked, The scepter of the rulers; 6 He who struck the people in wrath with a continual stroke, He who ruled the nations in anger, Is persecuted and no one hinders. 7 The whole earth is at rest and quiet; They break forth into singing. 8 Indeed the cypress trees rejoice over you, And the cedars of Lebanon, Saying, 'Since you were cut down, No woodsman has come up against us.' 9 “Hell from beneath is excited about you, To meet you at your coming; It stirs up the dead for you, All the chief ones of the earth; It has raised up from their thrones All the kings of the nations. 10 They all shall speak and say to you: 'Have you also become as weak as we? Have you become like us? 11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, And the sound of your stringed instruments; The maggot is spread under you, And worms cover you.' 12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
The KING was said to weaken the nations, and the king is being referred to as the DAY STAR. There is nothing in the scripture talking about a fallen angel.
The KING is cut down being represented as a TREE falling from being up high in the sky or rather heaven. There is no literal fall from the sky, let alone a fall from God's heavenly abode, where only the righteous do dwell.
13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.'
The KING said in HIS HEART that he would ascend into heaven and exalt his throne above the stars of God. A KING said he would be like the Most High. No mention whatsoever of rebel spirits or fallen angels.
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. 16 “Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: 'Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms,
Scripture CONFIRMS that we are STILL talking about a MAN, a human being.
Irene you follow lies, plain and simple. There is not one word or mention of a spirit being or fallen angel in the above scriptures.
The question is will you admit it?
Wonderful post that is Sis Jodi. Is this the man we are talking about as Lucifer?
Good question too.Love and peace
AdamJodi: Your post's are accurate, powerful, loving, true gifts to anyone who is willing to wash away old doctrines of deception and error.
These take time and great knowledge to post. We should all be so lucky to partake of them. I have been away for a while but your posts have re-kindled the fire in me, if you will, and energized me to push on. There is such a difference between quoting scriptures out of context and revealing Truth through scripture. There are many others on this site with a gift. I thank you all. Religious demons at the lower level are hard to deal with if a person has been indoctrinated in churches for a long time. I hope you continue to enlighten this website and that includes pounding on me if I write something in error. I only want to know the Truth of God whether alone or with others. God bless your mind with all wisdom and peace to you. TKQuote (Tim Kraft @ June 23 2009,00:33) Jodi: Your post's are accurate, powerful, loving, true gifts to anyone who is willing to wash away old doctrines of deception and error.
These take time and great knowledge to post. We should all be so lucky to partake of them. I have been away for a while but your posts have re-kindled the fire in me, if you will, and energized me to push on. There is such a difference between quoting scriptures out of context and revealing Truth through scripture. There are many others on this site with a gift. I thank you all. Religious demons at the lower level are hard to deal with if a person has been indoctrinated in churches for a long time. I hope you continue to enlighten this website and that includes pounding on me if I write something in error. I only want to know the Truth of God whether alone or with others. God bless your mind with all wisdom and peace to you. TK
Good Morning Tim,I have been meaning to tell you thanks so much for these kind and encouraging words, so thank you dearly brother.
Blessings to you, Jodi
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