ED J, which one is right?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2013,10:35)

Hi Mike,  (Ref. Mark 8:33) Did Jesus call Peter 'Satan'?   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ed

what fascinate me ,is that the scriptures has given the name of
SATAN to the angel that rebelled against GOD his creator,and it means ADVERSARY BUT WE ALL KNOW that their is only one SATAN right yes

so when Jesus uses that name he really did not use the name but the meaning of the word it self what is ADVERSARY,and this word can be easy be replaced to the word satan in Mk 8;33 because we all know that Peter was not Satan right yes

because for some reason the translators did not translate that word for bias views i guess ,

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2013,17:57)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2013,10:35) Hi Mike,  (Ref. Mark 8:33) Did Jesus call Peter 'Satan'?   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org ed what fascinate me ,is that the scriptures has given the name of SATAN to the angel that rebelled against GOD his creator,and it means ADVERSARY BUT WE ALL KNOW that their is only one SATAN right yes so when Jesus uses that name he really did not use the name but the meaning of the word it self what is ADVERSARY,and this word can be easy be replaced to  the word satan in Mk 8;33 because we all know that Peter was not Satan right yes because for some reason the translators did not translate that word for bias views i guess ,

Hi Pierre,

YES; We also all know that Judas is not the Devil either, right?            (<–  Please answer)

now take that same logic and apply it to…
John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is devil?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2013,13:25)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2013,17:57) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2013,10:35) Hi Mike,  (Ref. Mark 8:33) Did Jesus call Peter 'Satan'?   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org ed what fascinate me ,is that the scriptures has given the name of SATAN to the angel that rebelled against GOD his creator,and it means ADVERSARY BUT WE ALL KNOW that their is only one SATAN right yes so when Jesus uses that name he really did not use the name but the meaning of the word it self what is ADVERSARY,and this word can be easy be replaced to  the word satan in Mk 8;33 because we all know that Peter was not Satan right yes because for some reason the translators did not translate that word for bias views i guess , Hi Pierre, YES; We also all know that Judas is not the Devil either, right?            (<–  Please answer) now take that same logic and apply it to… John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is devil? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED

YES,

Jn 6:70 Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!” NIV

John 6:70 Click this icon to open a printer friendly page
Context
NET ©
Jesus replied, 1 “Didn’t I choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is the devil?” 2
NIV ©
Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”
NASB ©
Jesus answered them, “Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?”
NLT ©
Then Jesus said, “I chose the twelve of you, but one is a devil.”
MSG ©
Jesus responded, “Haven't I handpicked you, the Twelve? Still, one of you is a devil!”
BBE ©
Then Jesus said, Did I not make a selection of you, the twelve, and one of you is a son of the Evil One?
NRSV ©
Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? Yet one of you is a devil.”
NKJV ©
Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?”

SO YES IT IS THE SAME THING JUDAS WAS NOT SATAN BUT ADVERSARY IN DISGUISE ,PRETENDING TO BE A TRUTH LOVER BUT WAS NOT ,HIS ACTIONS PROVE IT

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2013,22:35)

Hi Mike,  (Ref. Mark 8:33) Did Jesus call Peter 'Satan'?

Yes Ed, he did.

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 31 2013,13:33)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2013,22:35) Hi Mike,  (Ref. Mark 8:33) Did Jesus call Peter 'Satan'?   Yes Ed, he did.

Ed J, technically speaking he called him satan, if you are pointing out that capitalising satan means 'The Satan'.

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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2013,19:25)

Hi Pierre, YES; We also all know that Judas is not the Devil either, right?            (<–  Please answer) now take that same logic and apply it to… John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is devil?

Agreed. But for me this is not the issue. The issue is that the AKJV says, “a devil” and yet you would have us believe that it is a perfect translation as well as believing that “a devil” is WRONG.

Obviously the AKJV is not perfect and contains translational errors just as any translation does. This alone puts your English gematria into disrepute among other things.

And giving this gematria as absolute proof to non-believers is only going to make them not believe the truth if the so-called irrefutable proof is itself error.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 01 2014,09:13)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2013,19:25) Hi Pierre, YES; We also all know that Judas is not the Devil either, right?            (<–  Please answer) now take that same logic and apply it to… John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is devil? Agreed.

OK, then remove the tile now. After all it is a new year and time to turn over a new leaf.

[terraricca]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 01 2014,04:13)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2013,19:25) Hi Pierre, YES; We also all know that Judas is not the Devil either, right?            (<–  Please answer) now take that same logic and apply it to… John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is devil? Agreed. But for me this is not the issue. The issue is that the AKJV says, “a devil” and yet you would have us believe that it is a perfect translation as well as believing that “a devil” is WRONG. Obviously the AKJV is not perfect and contains translational errors just as any translation does. This alone puts your English gematria into disrepute among other things. And giving this gematria as absolute proof to non-believers is only going to make them not believe the truth if the so-called irrefutable proof is itself error.

yes agreed, the kjv,and gematria are not perfect ;only people claim they are

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 02 2014,16:22)

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 01 2014,04:13) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2013,19:25) Hi Pierre, YES; We also all know that Judas is not the Devil either, right?            (<–  Please answer) now take that same logic and apply it to… John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is devil? Agreed. But for me this is not the issue. The issue is that the AKJV says, “a devil” and yet you would have us believe that it is a perfect translation as well as believing that “a devil” is WRONG. Obviously the AKJV is not perfect and contains translational errors just as any translation does. This alone puts your English gematria into disrepute among other things. And giving this gematria as absolute proof to non-believers is only going to make them not believe the truth if the so-called irrefutable proof is itself error. yes agreed, the kjv,and gematria are not perfect ;only people claim they are

T.

It is the readers that are not perfect.
And blame it on the book they read.
Always need something esle to blame,never them selves.

There is a difference of calling someone A DEVIL; OR THE DEVIL.
Jesus spoke to the one speaking THROUGH Peter.(satan).
If you cast out a demon in someone;you speak to the demon;not the person.

wakeup.

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Ed J, you have not answered the original question posed here by which you got the tile.

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2014,01:26)

OK, then remove the tile now. After all it is a new year and time to turn over a new leaf.

You lack understanding. The tile was never put there because you agreed or disagreed with Jesus calling Judas a devil or devil.

People do not get tiled for having a different view to me. Muslims for example do not get tiled because they don't believe that Jesus is the son of God.

Rather, people get tiled for breaking the rules. They also get tiled or not answering a fair question in the Hot Seat while testing their teachings and claims. If you want the tile removed, go to the first page and read the question. I have not seen you admit to the contradiction you posed about the AKJV a perfect translation and you claiming that Jesus did not say that Judas was “a devil” even though we know the AKJV does say that.

I am not silly Ed J. Did you think I would forget about the question? Perhaps you thought I might have consumed a bit too much wine during Christmas and would be merry and remove it for the sake of the New Year.

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION, then the tile gets removed.

I have no respect for people who cannot admit their own faults because of pride. How are we ever to learn the truth if we just try to save face and not seek truth with all our hearts. Help us all move along and learn by being honest. Dodging a question that incriminates you means you have to change. What is so bad about change.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2014,13:33)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 02 2014,16:22) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 01 2014,04:13) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2013,19:25) Hi Pierre, YES; We also all know that Judas is not the Devil either, right?            (<–  Please answer) now take that same logic and apply it to… John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is devil? Agreed. But for me this is not the issue. The issue is that the AKJV says, “a devil” and yet you would have us believe that it is a perfect translation as well as believing that “a devil” is WRONG. Obviously the AKJV is not perfect and contains translational errors just as any translation does. This alone puts your English gematria into disrepute among other things. And giving this gematria as absolute proof to non-believers is only going to make them not believe the truth if the so-called irrefutable proof is itself error. yes agreed, the kjv,and gematria are not perfect ;only people claim they are T. It is the readers that are not perfect. And blame it on the book they read. Always need something esle to blame,never them selves. There is a difference of calling someone A DEVIL; OR THE DEVIL. Jesus spoke to the one speaking THROUGH Peter.(satan). If you cast out a demon in someone;you speak to the demon;not the person. wakeup.

w

who you think to foul

you don't even read the quotes ,

and even then you do not understand your own copy of scriptures

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2014,04:02)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2014,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 02 2014,16:22) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 01 2014,04:13) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2013,19:25) Hi Pierre, YES; We also all know that Judas is not the Devil either, right?            (<–  Please answer) now take that same logic and apply it to… John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is devil? Agreed. But for me this is not the issue. The issue is that the AKJV says, “a devil” and yet you would have us believe that it is a perfect translation as well as believing that “a devil” is WRONG. Obviously the AKJV is not perfect and contains translational errors just as any translation does. This alone puts your English gematria into disrepute among other things. And giving this gematria as absolute proof to non-believers is only going to make them not believe the truth if the so-called irrefutable proof is itself error. yes agreed, the kjv,and gematria are not perfect ;only people claim they are T. It is the readers that are not perfect. And blame it on the book they read. Always need something esle to blame,never them selves. There is a difference of calling someone A DEVIL; OR THE DEVIL. Jesus spoke to the one speaking THROUGH Peter.(satan). If you cast out a demon in someone;you speak to the demon;not the person. wakeup. w how you think to foul you don't even read the quotes , and even then you do not understand your own copy of scriptures

T.

What is it you are trying to say?

wakeup.

[terraricca]

W
I have already answered your question if you read the quotes

[terraricca]

w

yeah I just seen that i wrote “how instead of who ” there you go

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 02 2014,21:26)

You lack understanding. The tile was never put there because you agreed or disagreed with Jesus calling Judas a devil or devil.

Oh no??  It's pretty clear that is the reason

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Rather, people get tiled for breaking the rules.

What rules?

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JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION, then the tile gets removed.

I don't believe your words are genuine, because I answered your question twice already and I see a tile,
which proves…    “The tile was put there because you agreed or disagreed with Jesus calling Judas a devil.”

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I have no respect for people who cannot admit their own faults because of pride.

What faults?
What pride?

Do you really think you are righteous in your bogus adjudication of a non-rule breakage?
What rule are you claiming I broke. Oh you mean the one that wasn't a rule when you claim I broke it?
That is Kangaroo justice, claiming I broke a rule that wasn't a rule when you claim I broke it.  (Read Rom.2:1-3)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 18 2013,19:38)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2013,10:28) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 17 2013,15:18) This will take some time because I like to be thorough to make sure that people FULLY understand why I believe what I believe. Ed, Nobody was ever asking for a lengthy explanation of your doctrines. The facts of the matter is that YOU SAID Jesus did NOT say one of you is “a devil” – which DIRECTLY contradicts the KJV. So who is right?  YOU?  Or the “perfect” KJV?  It can't be both, since you are saying DIFFERENT things. Hi Mike, If you're not interested in peoples explanations to questions, why even bother asking them?   And why bother posting on forums for that matter then – seems you are a little inconsistent. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Look it was obvious when you posted this that you are not being completely honest. Lengthy explanations can be a way to avoid a simple question. And lengthy explanations can also be a way to hide the fact that a person has little understanding of a subject. Obviously some things do need a lengthy explanation, but in this case a lengthy explanation is not needed and will only confuse the matter.

It is more about owning up to this contradiction and explaining it clearly as not being a contradiction or admitting you made an error.

It takes a man of God to admit to his errors. But a man who holds onto them and tries to justify them deludes himself.

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You broke the rule in the Hot Seat that states that not answering a fair question leads to a tile. If you answer it, I will remove the tile, then you will know that this was the reason for the tile. Because I will remove it when you answer the question posed to you in the Hot Seat.

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What faults? What pride?

The pride that says you have no pride.

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I don't believe your words are genuine, because I answered your question twice already and I see a tile, which proves… “The tile was put there because you agreed or disagreed with Jesus calling Judas a devil.”

No Ed J, the tile is there for avoiding a fair question. Simple as that. I care not that you think Judas was a devil or devil. In fact I agree with your view that he is devil, so obviously I am not concerned about that. And even if I were concerned, I would not tile you for that, as that wouldn't be fair.

No, there was a rule put in place in the Hot Seat. It was designed to be there because some were avoiding good questions, and continuing to preach while doing this. We wanted to curb that practice and get people to answer without aid of the evil one who skirts around things without giving a yes or no or other similar and simple answer.

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Answer the question Ed J. It is liberating when you can be honest and humble at any time.

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Ed J, click on the Hot Seat homepage and you will see this text above the page. I am sure you must remember that this rule was put in place because you participated in the idea of having a Hot Seat. I think you were the one who came up with the name.

And to make things clearer, I have added in some new text into the official rules page for all the forums. The Hot Seat wasn't in that page because the Hot Seat rule is for that forum only. But I have added it in so that no one has no excuse to avoid answering a decent and deserved question that applies to what another teaches.

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