ED J, which one is right?

[terraricca]

ED

AS FOR ANGELS CALLED GODS AND MEN THIS IS TRUE ; GOD HIMSELF SAYS “HE IS THE GOD OF GODS ” WHO ARE THOSE GODS OF WHICH GOD IS GOD OVER

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 18 2013,00:17)

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2013,04:18) Okay Ed J, I noticed that you have stopped engaging in this conversation, so as promised, it is now a Hot Seat topic. Your quote is below: Quote No it you who doesn't understand, In John 6:70 Jesus was NOT callingJudas 'the devil' nor was Jesus even calling Judas 'a devil' Edited James Version (EDJV interpretation): Jesus was NOT calling Judas 'the devil' nor was Jesus even calling Judas 'a devil' Authorised King James Version (AKJV): Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? Obviously both your interpretation and the AKJV cannot be correct. My question: Which is correct? 1) Your interpretation of John 6:70; 2) The AKJV translation of this verse. 1 or 2. Not a hard question. Swallow your pride, be brave, and answer the question please. Ed, Did you ever explain your reasoning? According to the 19th Century standardized edition of the AV of the KJB Jesus did call Judas a satan.  Your interpretation does seem to be in conflict.  Why are you claiming it means the opposite of the words that are written. Note: Google translate translates modern Greek to English; Koine Greek is a different language.

Hi Kerwin,

He would not listen to my explanation, though I did try.
I will fully explain why I have said what I said, and
T8 in his wisdom perhaps may remove the tile.

This will take some time because I like to be thorough to make sure
that people FULLY understand why I believe what I believe. Right now
I have other things to do, so give me some time to construct my response.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,01:58)

ED YOU JUST CAN NOT FACE CERTAIN FACTS ABOUT THE KJV , LIKE “DID GOD CREATED EVIL” I SAY NO ,BUT MANY THAT BELIEVE IN THE KJV SAY YES ,

Hi Pierre,

Did God create the automobile?

The “AKJV Bible” was translated strictly 'word for word'.
This, though its the best way, presents problems of its own. That,
is one of the points that I will be elaborating on in my explanation to Kerwin.

       God created the the ability for all that exists, do you agree with this or no?

The word 'EVIL' in the context of Isaiah 45:7 fulfills the broader scope of what God is intending to convey in that passage.
The word 'calamity' as a substitute falls short, though I can see how the word 'evil' may confuse many of the sticklers.
It would be better understood said this way: “God has created one end of the spiritual spectrum to the other.”

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 18 2013,09:10)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,01:58) ED YOU JUST CAN NOT FACE CERTAIN FACTS ABOUT THE KJV , LIKE “DID GOD CREATED EVIL” I SAY NO ,BUT MANY THAT BELIEVE IN THE KJV SAY YES , Hi Pierre, Did God create the automobile? The “AKJV Bible” was translated strictly 'word for word'. This, though its the best way, presents problems of its own. That, is one of the points that I will be elaborating on in my explanation to Kerwin.        God created the the ability for all that exists, do you agree with this or no? The word 'EVIL' in the context of Isaiah 45:7 fulfills the broader scope of what God is intending to convey in that passage. The word 'calamity' as a substitute falls short, though I can see how the word 'evil' may confuse many of the sticklers. It would be better understood said this way: “God has created one end of the spiritual spectrum to the other.” God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Did you ever look at map on the internet, you notice how you have to  zoom in  and  zoom out  to fully understand a proposed driving route.
Fully understanding the bible's message takes the focus of the entire bible as a composite of individual verses making a mosaic giving one
a comprehensive understanding.(Ref. Isaiah 28:9-13)  >PLUS it also takes God's HolySpirit residing on the inside.<

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 17 2013,15:18)

This will take some time because I like to be thorough to make sure that people FULLY understand why I believe what I believe.

Ed,

Nobody was ever asking for a lengthy explanation of your doctrines.

The facts of the matter is that YOU SAID Jesus did NOT say one of you is “a devil” – which DIRECTLY contradicts the KJV.

So who is right? YOU? Or the “perfect” KJV? It can't be both, since you are saying DIFFERENT things.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 18 2013,04:10)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,01:58) ED YOU JUST CAN NOT FACE CERTAIN FACTS ABOUT THE KJV , LIKE “DID GOD CREATED EVIL” I SAY NO ,BUT MANY THAT BELIEVE IN THE KJV SAY YES , Hi Pierre, Did God create the automobile? The “AKJV Bible” was translated strictly 'word for word'. This, though its the best way, presents problems of its own. That, is one of the points that I will be elaborating on in my explanation to Kerwin.        God created the the ability for all that exists, do you agree with this or no? The word 'EVIL' in the context of Isaiah 45:7 fulfills the broader scope of what God is intending to convey in that passage. The word 'calamity' as a substitute falls short, though I can see how the word 'evil' may confuse many of the sticklers. It would be better understood said this way: “God has created one end of the spiritual spectrum to the other.” God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ed

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The “AKJV Bible” was translated strictly 'word for word'.

yes but the words in Hebrew and in Greek Koene have more than one meaning ,AND THAT'S WHERE THE PURITANS FROM THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND ;NOT THE CHURCH OF THE TRUE GOD ;THAT TRANSLATED THE KJV HAVE MADE THEIR PERSONAL BIAS CHOICES ,BUT YOU KNOW THAT ,
AND THAT THE WORD “EVIL” IS MISS TRANSLATED IN MOST PLACES WHERE IT APPEARED ,

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 18 2013,04:10)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,01:58) ED YOU JUST CAN NOT FACE CERTAIN FACTS ABOUT THE KJV , LIKE “DID GOD CREATED EVIL” I SAY NO ,BUT MANY THAT BELIEVE IN THE KJV SAY YES , Hi Pierre, Did God create the automobile? The “AKJV Bible” was translated strictly 'word for word'. This, though its the best way, presents problems of its own. That, is one of the points that I will be elaborating on in my explanation to Kerwin.        God created the the ability for all that exists, do you agree with this or no? The word 'EVIL' in the context of Isaiah 45:7 fulfills the broader scope of what God is intending to convey in that passage. The word 'calamity' as a substitute falls short, though I can see how the word 'evil' may confuse many of the sticklers. It would be better understood said this way: “God has created one end of the spiritual spectrum to the other.” God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED

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God created the the ability for all that exists, do you agree with this or no?

Jer 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:

IT SEEMS AGAIN THAT THE SCRIPTURES DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR VIEW.

WHY YOU BELIEVERS IN THE KJV ARE SO OBSESSED TO MAKE GOD THE CREATOR THE ORIGIN OF EVIL

IS THAT TO COVER UP YOUR GUILT OF SINS

MY GOD THE FATHER OF CHRIST IS NOT EVIL DID NOT CREATED IT ,

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 18 2013,04:11)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 18 2013,09:10) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,01:58) ED YOU JUST CAN NOT FACE CERTAIN FACTS ABOUT THE KJV , LIKE “DID GOD CREATED EVIL” I SAY NO ,BUT MANY THAT BELIEVE IN THE KJV SAY YES , Hi Pierre, Did God create the automobile? The “AKJV Bible” was translated strictly 'word for word'. This, though its the best way, presents problems of its own. That, is one of the points that I will be elaborating on in my explanation to Kerwin.        God created the the ability for all that exists, do you agree with this or no? The word 'EVIL' in the context of Isaiah 45:7 fulfills the broader scope of what God is intending to convey in that passage. The word 'calamity' as a substitute falls short, though I can see how the word 'evil' may confuse many of the sticklers. It would be better understood said this way: “God has created one end of the spiritual spectrum to the other.” God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Did you ever look at map on the internet, you notice how you have to  zoom in  and  zoom out  to fully understand a proposed driving route. Fully understanding the bible's message takes the focus of the entire bible as a composite of individual verses making a mosaic giving one a comprehensive understanding.(Ref. Isaiah 28:9-13)  >PLUS it also takes God's HolySpirit residing on the inside.<

ED

Isa 45:7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things

WHY CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS SCRIPTURES IN THE WAY THE CONTEXT GOES AND ALL SCRIPTURES TO SAY

WHAT IS IT THAT GOD WANT TO SAY ,WHAT IS IT THAT TRANSPIRED THROUGH THOSE WORDS

YOU HAVE ALSO TO SEE IT IN THE TRUTH OF GOD BEING ;GOOD;RIGHTEOUS,TRUE,FULL OF TRUTH,MERCIFUL ,KIND,LOVING,UNFAILING LOVE,JUST ,TAKES NO BRIBE ,TRUTHFUL,AND MORE GOODY'S

WHERE DOES “EVIL” GET IN

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2013,10:28)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 17 2013,15:18) This will take some time because I like to be thorough to make sure that people FULLY understand why I believe what I believe. Ed, Nobody was ever asking for a lengthy explanation of your doctrines. The facts of the matter is that YOU SAID Jesus did NOT say one of you is “a devil” – which DIRECTLY contradicts the KJV. So who is right?  YOU?  Or the “perfect” KJV?  It can't be both, since you are saying DIFFERENT things.

Hi Mike,

If you're not interested in peoples explanations to questions, why even bother asking them?  
And why bother posting on forums for that matter then – seems you are a little inconsistent.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 18 2013,13:38)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2013,10:28) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 17 2013,15:18) This will take some time because I like to be thorough to make sure that people FULLY understand why I believe what I believe. Ed, Nobody was ever asking for a lengthy explanation of your doctrines. The facts of the matter is that YOU SAID Jesus did NOT say one of you is “a devil” – which DIRECTLY contradicts the KJV. So who is right?  YOU?  Or the “perfect” KJV?  It can't be both, since you are saying DIFFERENT things. Hi Mike, If you're not interested in peoples explanations to questions, why even bother asking them?   And why bother posting on forums for that matter then – seems you are a little inconsistent. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED

if you have to take 5 pages to answer a question that can easy be answered by a YES OR NO ;tell me what is the purpose of the 5 pages less one word

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,11:58)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 18 2013,13:38) Hi Mike, If you're not interested in peoples explanations to questions, why even bother asking them?   And why bother posting on forums for that matter then – seems you are a little inconsistent. ED if you have to take 5 pages to answer a question that can easy be answered by a YES OR NO ;tell me what is the purpose………….

No offense, but I agree with that, Ed.

Don't try to bog people down with a bunch of lengthy paragraphs. Just say it clear and to the point.

Less is more, my friend. (I still consider you my friend, you know.)

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 18 2013,09:10)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,01:58) ED YOU JUST CAN NOT FACE CERTAIN FACTS ABOUT THE KJV , LIKE “DID GOD CREATED EVIL” I SAY NO ,BUT MANY THAT BELIEVE IN THE KJV SAY YES , Hi Pierre, Did God create the automobile? The “AKJV Bible” was translated strictly 'word for word'. This, though its the best way, presents problems of its own. That, is one of the points that I will be elaborating on in my explanation to Kerwin.        God created the the ability for all that exists, do you agree with this or no? The word 'EVIL' in the context of Isaiah 45:7 fulfills the broader scope of what God is intending to convey in that passage. The word 'calamity' as a substitute falls short, though I can see how the word 'evil' may confuse many of the sticklers. It would be better understood said this way: “God has created one end of the spiritual spectrum to the other.” God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

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The word 'EVIL' in the context of Isaiah 45:7 fulfills the broader scope of what God is intending to convey in that passage.

I Agree with this.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2013,10:28)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 17 2013,15:18) This will take some time because I like to be thorough to make sure that people FULLY understand why I believe what I believe. Ed, Nobody was ever asking for a lengthy explanation of your doctrines. The facts of the matter is that YOU SAID Jesus did NOT say one of you is “a devil” – which DIRECTLY contradicts the KJV. So who is right?  YOU?  Or the “perfect” KJV?  It can't be both, since you are saying DIFFERENT things.

Mike B.

John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Satan went into judas.
**All evil is by the devil**, and God created him.
No one but God can create.
God knew that lucifer will be the devil,but hecarried on creating lucifer.Because God wanted the devil around.
Evil must be.The fruits of the devil is all evil.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 18 2013,13:38)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2013,10:28) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 17 2013,15:18) This will take some time because I like to be thorough to make sure that people FULLY understand why I believe what I believe. Ed, Nobody was ever asking for a lengthy explanation of your doctrines. The facts of the matter is that YOU SAID Jesus did NOT say one of you is “a devil” – which DIRECTLY contradicts the KJV. So who is right?  YOU?  Or the “perfect” KJV?  It can't be both, since you are saying DIFFERENT things. Hi Mike, If you're not interested in peoples explanations to questions, why even bother asking them?   And why bother posting on forums for that matter then – seems you are a little inconsistent. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,

I asked, not Mike.

[Proclaimer]

I don't get it. If T8 is on the naughty list, then why did he get some Christmas presents this year?

[Proclaimer]

Yes T8 is very naughty for pointing out that EdJ must be wrong by reason of teaching contradictory things, i.e., that Jesus never called Judas a devil even though the supposed perfect version says he did.

Ed has been trying to convince us that the AKJV is God's authorized version and because of its accuracy Theomatics is based on that version alone, yet he then teaches against the AKJV when he says that it Jesus never called Judas a devil, (as the AKJV says).

Who am I to point out this contradiction in his beliefs and cause him unnecessary stress.

And if T8 pointed out to a person driving down a road that the bridge up ahead was washed out, then he would cause that person unnecessary stress when that person ignored him and continued his journey down that road. How dare T8 unsettle someone with the truth. He should leave them alone if he loves them and let them perish in peace.

[terraricca]

BBE ©
Then Jesus said, Did I not make a selection of you, the twelve, and one of you is a son of the Evil One?

NET © Notes
1 tn Grk “Jesus answered them.”
2 tn Although most translations render this last phrase as “one of you is a devil,” such a translation presupposes that there is more than one devil. This finds roots in the KJV in which the Greek word for demon was often translated “devil.” In fact, the KJV never uses the word “demon.” (Sixty-two of the 63 NT instances of δαιμόνιον [daimonion] are translated “devil” [in Acts 17:18 the plural has been translated “gods”]. This can get confusing in places where the singular “devil” is used: Is Satan or one of the demons in view [cf. Matt 9:33 (demon); 13:39 (devil); 17:18 (demon); Mark 7:26 (demon); Luke 4:2 (devil); etc.]?) Now regarding John 6:70, both the construction in Greek and the technical use of διάβολος (diabolos) indicate that the one devil is in view. To object to the translation “the devil” because it thus equates Judas with Satan does not take into consideration that Jesus often spoke figuratively (e.g., “destroy this temple” [John 2:19]; “he [John the Baptist] is Elijah” [Matt 11:14]), even equating Peter with the devil on one occasion (Mark 8:33). According to ExSyn 249, “A curious phenomenon has occurred in the English Bible with reference to one particular monadic noun, διάβολος. The KJV translates both διάβολος and δαιμόνιον as ‘devil.’ Thus in the AV translators’ minds, ‘devil’ was not a monadic noun. Modern translations have correctly rendered δαιμόνιον as ‘demon’ and have, for the most part, recognized that διάβολος is monadic (cf., e.g., 1 Pet 5:8; Rev 20:2). But in John 6:70 modern translations have fallen into the error of the King James translators. The KJV has ‘one of you is a devil.’ So does the RSV, NRSV, ASV, NIV, NKJV, and the JB [Jerusalem Bible]. Yet there is only one devil…The legacy of the KJV still lives on, then, even in places where it ought not.”

[mikeboll64]

Wakeup,

Did you read fhe very last words in Pierre's post?

Actually, I'm with the KJV on this one. I think “a devil” is the correct translation.

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,  (Ref. Mark 8:33)

Did Jesus call Peter 'Satan'?  

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2013,10:35)

Hi Mike,  (Ref. Mark 8:33) Did Jesus call Peter 'Satan'?   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,

Yes.

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