June 7, 2018 at 11:27 am #830300
Did Jesus not come and speak to Saul?
Thomas put his fingers into the holes in his hands and put his hand into the hole in his side?
Do you think these injuries are still open wounds?June 7, 2018 at 11:37 am #830301
Scripture says that life is in the blood.
The man Jesus was raised in a flesh and bones body.
That body was yet unhealed when he showed it a few days later to Thomas.
Do you presume that this natural body without blood had the power to completely heal itself?
And you presume that bodies that are not heavenly or like to the angels can enter heaven and live there?June 7, 2018 at 11:45 am #830302
The promise made to Jesus in s that his body would not corrupt and the promise was fulfilled.
The sign of Jonah was fulfilled as another man who died came back to his natural body.
He was not promised that this torn body would heal and become immortal.June 7, 2018 at 11:51 am #830303
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Jesus wanted to make sure that they understood that he was flesh and bones, that he in fact was the raised seed of David, as was promised. In order to bring people into belief if needed he had them touch him.
John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing…29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
I have not seen, but I believe that Jesus was raised the seed of David and that he was raised in glory and power in a flesh and bones body.June 7, 2018 at 12:18 pm #830305
Yes he proved his body was the one they knew.
So how does this relate to the imagined healing and immortality of his flesh?June 7, 2018 at 12:25 pm #830307
Nick, Jesus was raised a spiritual body. I don’t think you understand what that means.
When Jesus was mortal he was spiritually minded, his spirit/mind and heart was faithful to God to perfection. God perfected a man’s spirit even when he was in weak flesh, that weak flesh tempted Jesus but he denied it. Jesus no longer has weak flesh to bother him because he has perfect flesh, flesh that does not hunger, flesh that does get exhausted, flesh that does not feel pain, flesh that does not get sick, flesh that does not grow old, flesh that does not die. Jesus no longer has weak flesh. Do you get that Nick?
The spiritual body is the joining of a perfected human spirit with a perfect human body, where death and the package that comes with it no longer has dominion.
Jesus is of the seed of David, and he has a perfected HUMAN MIND with a PERFECT human body.June 7, 2018 at 12:29 pm #830308
Do you think that the damaged body that Jesus showed to Thomas is the new spiritual body?
Is that your hoped for inheritance too?June 7, 2018 at 12:39 pm #830310
What is this PERFECTED HUMAN SPIRIT?
At death the human spirit returns to God as Eccl 12 tell us and scripture tells us about Jesus at Calvary.
A PERFECTED BODY does not appear in scripture either.
But it does say THE PERISHABLE SHALL NOT INHERIT THE IMPERISHABLE.June 7, 2018 at 12:48 pm #830313GeneBalthropParticipant
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Nick….but it is written,
Gen 3:22….And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live (FOREVER).
Verse 28….And God set Cherubims with flaming swords which turned every way to keep the way of the (tree of life), why so the man could get to it and eat and live (forever).
To say he could not have lived forever, in his existing body, simply isn’t true.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..geneJune 7, 2018 at 1:14 pm #830317
Nick he was RAISED WITH eternal life and then he appeared to people with flesh and bones, that would mean that his flesh and bones had eternal life.
So why would it be necessary for him to be changed into something else?
If you don’t want to understand that when Paul said flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom as to mean that you must be born of the Spirit to obtain the kingdom, that is fine. But you can’t use it as representing that Jesus had to undergo an additional change because the scriptures say flesh and bones not flesh and blood. Your DNA is not linked just to your blood, so that is not an issue keeping Jesus as a literal seed of David being given eternal life.
The only thing that is wrong with a human is lack of faith and a body that can die. God can fix both with His Spirit.June 7, 2018 at 1:29 pm #830322
Nick, I am not certain you are reading everything I say but that is okay.
The human spirit is known as the mind and heart of man, and it is perfect when it has complete faith in God and thus is willing to completely follow God’s will instead of his own imagination and the will of the flesh which is under the powers of death, meaning weakness that draws service to the flesh to keep it alive. This is what it means that death no longer has dominion, it no longer has dominion over the flesh because the flesh cannot die. The body of Jesus was sown in weakness but it was raised in power, so that flesh and bones that Jesus had when he was raised from the dead no longer had death having dominion over it, instead it had the power of eternal life.
The fact that Jesus went to the cross to DIE was his act of PURE faith in God, he conquered the fear of death that is man’s ultimate weakness. Just goes to show how powerful God’s Spirit in man can be. God set the BODY of Jesus FREE, death no longer has dominion over it, it has eternal life.June 7, 2018 at 1:34 pm #830324
The spirit is not the heart and mind.
The mind must be transformed by renewal.
But the human spirit is the life source lent to us by God.
The spirit returns to God at death but the same is not said of the mind.
You seem to be speaking out religious dogmas not from the revealed truth of our God.
The challenge is to find the Spirit of eternal life before the wheel breaks and the bucket falls to the bottom of the well. Ecc 12
The body is of the old creation of earth and must be replaced from above.June 7, 2018 at 1:36 pm #830326
A body that God gives eternal life to is a perfect body.
Really Nick you want to say that Jesus when he was raised from the dead was not perfect with God having given him eternal life?
So you do not think that God made Jesus into a perfect human being?June 7, 2018 at 1:38 pm #830327
It was bloodless and full of holes.June 7, 2018 at 1:40 pm #830328
The man from heaven now is equipped with a new heavenly body.
Earthly creation has a temporary life frame.
The new creation is spiritual.June 7, 2018 at 1:42 pm #830329
Nick that wasn’t very fruitful, I don’t even now what your point was?
So yes?.. you do not believe that God created a perfect human?June 7, 2018 at 1:45 pm #830330
A BODY THAT GOD GIVES ETERNAL LIFE TO IS A PERFECT BODY.
Such is not of the teaching of God but that of men.
A perfect body is not bloodless and damaged.
Salvation of the soul is the end of our faith.June 7, 2018 at 1:45 pm #830331
What do you mean by the new creation is “spiritual”, please elaborate?!!June 7, 2018 at 1:48 pm #830333
Perfection of man is not on the agenda of God.
But that all can be made one in Him in the Lamb who was slain.
His new heavenly body, renewed mind and alive by His Spirit is the plan for us too.June 7, 2018 at 1:56 pm #830336
2 Cor 5.16
Therefore from now on we recognise no one according to the flesh;
even though we have known Christ according to the flesh,
yet now we know him this way no longer.
Therefore if anyone is in Christ he is a new creature;
the old things passed away; behold new things have come.
Do you not know of the new creation?
New body, mind and Spirit just like the Lord Jesus.
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