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Quote IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FEAR LIKE IN RESPECT ,HONOR ,KNOWING THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD ,NOT FEAR LIKE BEING SCARED OF HIM
Yes that is true Pierre,
but since we are not perfect, and not completely free from sin yet,
we are in fear that if we slip up,
he will be very angry with us,
or punish us,
or put us through tribulation in the same basket as Babylon the Great,
or not accept us into the kingdom when it's time for Christ to meet in the air with the resurrected saints.
Fear that he will take away his mercy,
and there be no more blessings,
fear that we can miss out,
fear of disappointing him
It's that kind of fear.t8,Feb. wrote:[/quote]
Quote For example, some are told that if they don't repent, their name will be blotted out of the Book of Life. So if they are blotted out, then how did they get in there in the first place if it was a forgone conclusion?
Good point.
God is just showing us that he gives mercy, and can take that mercy away if he wishes. Not to take that mercy for granted.Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
or like this parable;
Matthew 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Matthew 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Matthew 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.Quote Is it possible that the outcome may not be exactly what God intends for his creation because he relinquishes all knowledge by giving beings free will.
I think God gives us all a chance, and gives us time, because it takes time to read, and learn his will. So during that time, we are given mercy and excused for unknowingly doing what he dislikes. We are covered during this time.
But if we don't seek, or love him enough to find out, and he's warned us about certain things, and we ignore, then we have chosen not to know him.
In the beginning, he knows what we will choose, but always gives us an opportunity to do the right thing, to perform it.Quote Thus if this were true, then God created Satan as a perfect being to begin with and with the best of intentions and loved him as a son to begin with, but didn't know what decisions he would make. Otherwise he did all that, but knew his future and loved him anyway, knowing he was going to be his greatest enemy in the future.
I believe God knew exactly what he was doing. He created Lucifer “perfect” because he was going to use him later as “tool”, and this “tool” has to be wise enough to know God so closely, that he can have the ability to manipulate every single angle, leaving no stone unturned.
..and the saints will learn how to detect and resist. For our exercise in the faith.Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Quote And how does he know about Satan's fate for example before the time, because his plan to dispose of him has been spoken as a judgement, and he spoke this after Satan chose sin.
He only chose to “reveal” it to us “after” the first sin, otherwise we wouldn't understand.Quote Just speculating here of course.
Speculating is good. It leads to questions which keeps our spirit alive yearning for answers on Godly matters.Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 08 2014,01:38) I believe God knew exactly what he was doing. He created Lucifer “perfect” because he was going to use him later as “tool”, and this “tool” has to be wise enough to know God so closely, that he can have the ability to manipulate every single angle, leaving no stone unturned.
..and the saints will learn how to detect and resist. For our exercise in the faith.
Journey42………..I agree with ths also. God knew all along what satan would do and does use him as a tool to teach us. Jesus said clearly know you not you shall “all” be taught by God. Remember, Jesus knew right from the start who it was that was going to betray him, because God had revealed it to him.We are all learning by our experiences in this life. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
GeneB.
Do you now why God caused the flood?
God knew before hand that he will destroy the old world.
But for what purpose;do you know?wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 07 2014,19:52) Quote IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FEAR LIKE IN RESPECT ,HONOR ,KNOWING THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD ,NOT FEAR LIKE BEING SCARED OF HIM
Yes that is true Pierre,
but since we are not perfect, and not completely free from sin yet,
we are in fear that if we slip up,
he will be very angry with us,
or punish us,
or put us through tribulation in the same basket as Babylon the Great,
or not accept us into the kingdom when it's time for Christ to meet in the air with the resurrected saints.
Fear that he will take away his mercy,
and there be no more blessings,
fear that we can miss out,
fear of disappointing him
It's that kind of fear.
j42i do not live as you say ,and yet I fear my God ,but i fear more that he would take away his spirit and love from me than anything else ,
it seems we do not worship the same God
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 08 2014,03:26) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 07 2014,19:52) Quote IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FEAR LIKE IN RESPECT ,HONOR ,KNOWING THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD ,NOT FEAR LIKE BEING SCARED OF HIM
Yes that is true Pierre,
but since we are not perfect, and not completely free from sin yet,
we are in fear that if we slip up,
he will be very angry with us,
or punish us,
or put us through tribulation in the same basket as Babylon the Great,
or not accept us into the kingdom when it's time for Christ to meet in the air with the resurrected saints.
Fear that he will take away his mercy,
and there be no more blessings,
fear that we can miss out,
fear of disappointing him
It's that kind of fear.
j42i do not live as you say ,and yet I fear my God ,but i fear more that he would take away his spirit and love from me than anything else ,
it seems we do not worship the same God
T.You have changed your tune.
You said before that we should not fear God.
What is going on in your mind?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2014,22:37) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 08 2014,03:26) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 07 2014,19:52) Quote IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FEAR LIKE IN RESPECT ,HONOR ,KNOWING THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD ,NOT FEAR LIKE BEING SCARED OF HIM
Yes that is true Pierre,
but since we are not perfect, and not completely free from sin yet,
we are in fear that if we slip up,
he will be very angry with us,
or punish us,
or put us through tribulation in the same basket as Babylon the Great,
or not accept us into the kingdom when it's time for Christ to meet in the air with the resurrected saints.
Fear that he will take away his mercy,
and there be no more blessings,
fear that we can miss out,
fear of disappointing him
It's that kind of fear.
j42i do not live as you say ,and yet I fear my God ,but i fear more that he would take away his spirit and love from me than anything else ,
it seems we do not worship the same God
T.You have changed your tune.
You said before that we should not fear God.
What is going on in your mind?wakeup.
WREAD WHAT I SAY MORE CAREFULLY ,THEN YOU WILL SEE I DO NOT CONTRADICT MYSELF
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 08 2014,06:20) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2014,22:37) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 08 2014,03:26) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 07 2014,19:52) Quote IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FEAR LIKE IN RESPECT ,HONOR ,KNOWING THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD ,NOT FEAR LIKE BEING SCARED OF HIM
Yes that is true Pierre,
but since we are not perfect, and not completely free from sin yet,
we are in fear that if we slip up,
he will be very angry with us,
or punish us,
or put us through tribulation in the same basket as Babylon the Great,
or not accept us into the kingdom when it's time for Christ to meet in the air with the resurrected saints.
Fear that he will take away his mercy,
and there be no more blessings,
fear that we can miss out,
fear of disappointing him
It's that kind of fear.
j42i do not live as you say ,and yet I fear my God ,but i fear more that he would take away his spirit and love from me than anything else ,
it seems we do not worship the same God
T.You have changed your tune.
You said before that we should not fear God.
What is going on in your mind?wakeup.
WREAD WHAT I SAY MORE CAREFULLY ,THEN YOU WILL SEE I DO NOT CONTRADICT MYSELF
T.Quote
RIGHT ,God always knows were he his at ,it is the created beings that do not ,****but God does not want people to live in fear of him****Your quote: For God does not want people to live in fear of him.
That contradicts what God said.
God said: I want them to fear me.wakeup.
T.
You are contradicting this,Gods own words.
Deuteronomy 4:10 Specially the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, ***that they may learn to fear me*** all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.
Deuteronomy 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, ***that they would fear me***, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
Jeremiah 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, ***that they may fear me for ever***, for the good of them, and of their children after them:
Zephaniah 3:7 I said, Surely ***thou wilt fear me***, thou wilt receive instruction; so their dwelling should not be cut off, howsoever I punished them: but they rose early, and corrupted all their doings.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2014,03:52) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 08 2014,06:20) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2014,22:37) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 08 2014,03:26) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 07 2014,19:52) Quote IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FEAR LIKE IN RESPECT ,HONOR ,KNOWING THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD ,NOT FEAR LIKE BEING SCARED OF HIM
Yes that is true Pierre,
but since we are not perfect, and not completely free from sin yet,
we are in fear that if we slip up,
he will be very angry with us,
or punish us,
or put us through tribulation in the same basket as Babylon the Great,
or not accept us into the kingdom when it's time for Christ to meet in the air with the resurrected saints.
Fear that he will take away his mercy,
and there be no more blessings,
fear that we can miss out,
fear of disappointing him
It's that kind of fear.
j42i do not live as you say ,and yet I fear my God ,but i fear more that he would take away his spirit and love from me than anything else ,
it seems we do not worship the same God
T.You have changed your tune.
You said before that we should not fear God.
What is going on in your mind?wakeup.
WREAD WHAT I SAY MORE CAREFULLY ,THEN YOU WILL SEE I DO NOT CONTRADICT MYSELF
T.Quote
RIGHT ,God always knows were he his at ,it is the created beings that do not ,****but God does not want people to live in fear of him****Your quote: For God does not want people to live in fear of him.
That contradicts what God said.
God said: I want them to fear me.wakeup.
i guess if you are a sinner you should live in fearQuote i guess if you are a sinner you should live in fear
Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.T.
You contradicted God's Word many, many times.
Gos's own words: So they will fear me.
Terras words: God does not want us to fear Him,
but to love Him.It is a clear contradiction,as black and white.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2014,11:35) T. You contradicted God's Word many, many times.
Gos's own words: So they will fear me.
Terras words: God does not want us to fear Him,
but to love Him.It is a clear contradiction,as black and white.
wakeup.
God is love right???Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2014,21:40) According to the scholars, the Hebrew phrase “fear God” has more of a meaning of “revere God”.
yes it is thanks MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2014,02:40) According to the scholars, the Hebrew phrase “fear God” has more of a meaning of “revere God”.
Mike B.Yes that I agree,but Terra contradicted Gods Word.
He said we should not fear God,but love him.
He failed to explain what sort of fear of God we should have.
He did that,but only later;after confronted.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,00:19) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2014,02:40) According to the scholars, the Hebrew phrase “fear God” has more of a meaning of “revere God”.
Mike B.Yes that I agree,but Terra contradicted Gods Word.
He said we should not fear God,but love him.
He failed to explain what sort of fear of God we should have.
He did that,but only later;after confronted.wakeup.
wthat's the problem with you wake up the word fear is not always REVERE ,
T.
I agree in that case.
You should have explained it before.
But not say that we should not fear God.
We should fear God;fear in reverence, and obedience.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,01:16) T. I agree in that case.
You should have explained it before.
But not say that we should not fear God.
We should fear God;fear in reverence, and obedience.wakeup.
with you 40 years study in the bible ,should have come forward with that understanding ,but you did not shame is on youQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,08:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,01:16) T. I agree in that case.
You should have explained it before.
But not say that we should not fear God.
We should fear God;fear in reverence, and obedience.wakeup.
with you 40 years study in the bible ,should have come forward with that understanding ,but you did not shame is on you
T.I did not misquote God's words;but you did.
The shame is on you.
wakeup.
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