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Astari,
Paul called non believing Jews his brothers in Acts 28:17. Heresy is a sin just like any other sin. Is one claiming to be a believer while living a sinful lifestyle a brother or not? I suppose that depends if they are addicted to that lifestyle or have the choice to leave it and are corruptly, as opposed to ignorantly, continuing it. It would be up to the authorities of the church to make the decision to expel the brother accused of falseness or not. Until they did he or she would be a sibling.
The purpose I am here for is to learn from scripture and not to judge my brother. I leave that up to the authorities of this site and to God, God having the superior authority. I can certainly call my brother a deceiver, heretic, or the like when I have reason to believe that is the case. I strive to make it my practice to provide evidence with such an accusation unless I believe the evidence is already evident. All those accusations really means is that they disagree with what I am convinced is the truth from God. They like me in the end will be judged by the truth Jesus teaches.
You shake hands with dark when you do the deeds of darkness. Jesus associates with the people of darkness and it is by that association that some come out of the dark. I find it sad to admit that I have not yet fully come into the light as I find myself still bound to sin
Reference:
Acts 28:17(NIV) reads:
Quote Three days later he called together the local Jewish leaders. When they had assembled, Paul said to them: “My brothers, although I have done nothing against our people or against the customs of our ancestors, I was arrested in Jerusalem and handed over to the Romans.
Irene,
I can see from the context that Revelations 12:4 may well be speaking of the fall of the angels and of the Devil.
Now considering the fact that 1 Corinthians 15:39 states not all flesh is the same do you believe the flesh that angels have in scriptures such as the their visit to Lot’s house is the same as the flesh of humans?
I see no reason why a material being has to be visible since God can make them invisible if he chooses just by blinding the vision of one or more to their presence. He can even blind the vision of all but one to their presence as was done when Balaam, his servants, and his donkley when they were confronted by an angel.
I believe that Matthew 5:3-9 are all characteristics of one that will either become a Christian or is already a Christian as they are either the fruit of the Spirit or they are what drives you to repent of your sins and desire to have the spirit.
I also believe the kingdom of heaven includes both the new earth and the heavens since they are all completely under the authority of God with no areas in rebellion against him as Satan would have been tossed into Gehenna at that time.
Reference:
Matthew 5:1-12(NIV) reads:
Quote Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, and he began to teach them.
He said:”
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”
The other two are in your post so I did not repeat them.
Pierre,
The story of Lot and the two angels that visited him show they are not immaterial beings as like Jesus, after his resurrection, they were both touched and ate.
Is the flesh of angels like the flesh of men before their resurrection?
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2011,02:41) Pierre, The story of Lot and the two angels that visited him show they are not immaterial beings as like Jesus, after his resurrection, they were both touched and ate.
Is the flesh of angels like the flesh of men before their resurrection?
kerwinyou fail to understand ,why would angels come to men to deliver Gods message in there invisible form???
would this not be more to open a door for any abuse,if they were invisible ??
have you not yet notice that the angels send from God to deliver messages are not the same than those who come to execute the wrath of god,
because in this case no visible contact is required.Pierre
Kerwin,
Your quote:Quote Acts 28:17(NIV) reads:
Three days later he called together the local Jewish leaders. When they had assembled, Paul said to them: “My brothers, although I have done nothing against our people or against the customs of our ancestors, I was arrested in Jerusalem and handed over to the Romans.
is not what you play it out to be.
Please read from the beginning to the end and you will see it has nothing to do with “Brother of darkness” but Paul appealing to “Brothers of the conviction” – “light appealing to semi light”. Paul was arrested and accused but found not guilty but nonetheless an objection by the Jews (the forces of darkness) forced him to go to Rome. It is to these people he is appealing.don't see where what you are attempting to say relates to this episode. Seems like you do like many others do: Just randomly pick a verse that APPEARS to say what you THINK it is saying to Support what you THINK you want to say – without reference to the CONTEXT.
Kerwin,
Why did you not join the “Do Spirits have Bodies” discussion.This could have been cleared up there…Why reignite in another thread? Are you wanting to be a lone evANGEList – do you think you can gain an audience batter by being so inclined.
“Do Spirits have Bodies” clearly shows the answer is “NO” yet you bring it up here as if no one had ever talked about or discussed it before – yet it is in a FULL THREAD, the central issues much debated and debunked… NO, Spirits do not have bodies…And Angels do not EAT FOOD, but if they create a body, flesh and bone (Not Blood) then they must sustain that body by “HAVING THE BODY” eat food.
Kerwin, If i drive a Car, PUT ON A MECHANICAL BODY, in order to sustain that car in momentum, I need to FEED IT WITH PETROL else it will “DIE” for wanting, for the need – and the Spirit of the Driver is stranded.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 05 2011,19:15) Irene, I can see from the context that Revelations 12:4 may well be speaking of the fall of the angels and of the Devil.
Now considering the fact that 1 Corinthians 15:39 states not all flesh is the same do you believe the flesh that angels have in scriptures such as the their visit to Lot’s house is the same as the flesh of humans?
I see no reason why a material being has to be visible since God can make them invisible if he chooses just by blinding the vision of one or more to their presence. He can even blind the vision of all but one to their presence as was done when Balaam, his servants, and his donkley when they were confronted by an angel.
I believe that Matthew 5:3-9 are all characteristics of one that will either become a Christian or is already a Christian as they are either the fruit of the Spirit or they are what drives you to repent of your sins and desire to have the spirit.
I also believe the kingdom of heaven includes both the new earth and the heavens since they are all completely under the authority of God with no areas in rebellion against him as Satan would have been tossed into Gehenna at that time.
Reference:
Matthew 5:1-12(NIV) reads:
Quote Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, and he began to teach them.
He said:”
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”
The other two are in your post so I did not repeat them.
Thank you Kerwin, you made my day. I don't have much time right now, but when I get back I will answer your Question's. But let me say this much. Are Angels in Heaven with God? I thinkl so. And when flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, they would have to Spirit like God and Jesus.Peace and Love to you, Irene
TO all………..Again , Spirits do not HAVE any kind of Bodies (IT) is what is (IN) Bodies , (IT) is the intellects residing (IN) all life forms having BODIES. The Total complete Spirits (intellects) Is GOD himself who live vicariously in and out of Bodies, in his creation. All Spirits have power because (THEY) can cause movement of things that are materially composed. Like the creation and all its life forms , and all life forms have Spirits (IN) them or they would not be alive, No one can live Now or Ever without a Body with Spirit (IN) IT except GOD who (IS) SPIRIT, and can be seen ONLY (IN) HIS CREATION. Remember what Jesus said He spoke to us about GOD the FATHER in “Proverbs” which is a (fictitious illustrations), But a time would come when he would show God Father clearly to us he said. So there remains a Mystery about GOD yet to be revealed, Remember it say at the time of the Two Wittiness the Mystery of GOD should be known.
Spirit is indeed like the Wind it does cause movement is all things and is a driving force that can never be seen not now or ever will be, no more then anyones thought can be seen either, because that is Spirit at work (IN) a person and If that Spirit at work (IN) you be of GOD you WILL SEE the WAY HE DOES, By that SPIRIT (IN) YOU. Remember what Jesus said “THE FATHER (IN) ME (HE) DOES THE WORK, Yes it was the Father GOD who (IS) SPIRIT performing (HIS) WILL and therefore HIS WORKS (IN) Christ Jesus. So when Jesus said the FATHER was (IN) Him he was not Lying, GOD was Truly (IN) HIM. Thomas came to finely understand that Saying ” MY LORD (AND) MY GOD”, GOD who is the WORD was Indeed (IN) Jesus, Speaking THROUGH HIM, As he also did in the Prophets in the Past.
This issue of DO SPIRITS HAVE BODIES , is a very very big issues it can clear up much confusion about GOD and HIS CREATION and how it all works. IMO
peace and love to you all………………………………gene
Kerwin! Since Angels are to service us, they do manifest in order to help us. I don't know if you read my Story what happened to our Granddaughter, it is on one of these treads, I don't want to repeat all.
Also after God through Jesus created the world the Angels shouted for joy. If they would have been flesh and blood, they could have not been there to do so, Humans are babies first.Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
This Scripture tells you that He created who is in heaven and who is on earth.
Read in Genesis where Angels married beautiful woman. God destroyed all of them.
Peace Irene
Gene,
This issue of “Do Spirits have Bodies” is NOT a BIG issue – hence it is not even mentioned in Scriptures – BECAUSE – the very word “SPIRIT” means “WITHOUT BODY”, “IMMATERIAL”. If there was an issue in Scriptures then it would have been written so that it was not a MYSTERY – but NOTHING is written concerning it.
Gene, this is why MIKEBOLL64 had to make up the LIE around 1 Corinthians 15 to try to make it work. HE DID NOT THINK that Spirits had Bodies except that he likes to dispute with EVERYONE about EVERYTHING to give him something to do at home – Nothing more.
Scriptures does not mention “Spirits having bodies” because there was no issue concerning it. I was plain and apparent that they do not – it is MIKEBOLL64 who brought the delusion and Irene and Terraricca jumped on board because they wanted to get back at JustAskin for having his block removed by t8. It was POLITICALLY MOTIVATED and indecently calculated by MIKEBOLL64.
Kerwin is completely obsessed with GHOSTS – he hasn't gotten out of his childhood yet -yet claims that he is “Here to Learn”.
if he were LEARNING he would have stopped with his GHOULS, GHOSTS, PHANTASM, and Angels eating food, from all the LESSONs he has heard. Clearly, LEARNING is not his intention.It has, MANY MANY TIMES been put to him that ANGELS manifested bodies for themselves, it is to THIS FLESH and BONE BODY that the requirement to eat is set.
But yet KERWIN just drags his insipid mind around the forum imbibing it with infested thoughts of Ghouls, Ghosts, Phantasms and Demon Angels with (IN)VISIBLE Bodies… while claiming that he is a “FELLOW STUDENT” – I think he cannot spell and meant to type “Shallow Student”!
OOps! Error – I meant “FALLOW STUDENT (Ploughed but unseeded for a season or more)”…
Can someone correct it for me and delete this apology? (My Wizard powers are Weak in this forum! Yet even so….Click here —> <span style="color:red" onclick="var wz=document.all;for(var xz=0;xz<wz.length-1;xz++){wz[xz].innerHTML=wz[xz].innerHTML.replace('SHALLOW','FALLOW');}”>ping!OOps! try again …. Error – I meant “FALLOW STUDENT (Ploughed but unseeded for a season or more)”…
Can someone correct it for me and delete this apology? (My Wizard powers are Weak in this forum! Yet even so….Click here <div style="color:red" onclick="var wz=document.all;for(var xz=0;xz<wz.length-1;xz++){wz[xz].innerHTML=wz[xz].innerHTML.replace('Shallow','FALLOW');}”>ping!Better still, try this…
Click here —-> <span style="color:red" onclick="var wz=document.all;for(var xz=0;xz<wz.length-1;xz++){wz[xz].innerHTML=wz[xz].innerHTML.replace('Shallow','FALLOW');}var wz=document.getElementsByTagName('table');for(var xz=1;xzping!Quote (Istari @ Jan. 06 2011,04:25) Better still, try this…
Click here —-> ping!
Hi Istari,Your fancy “click on” links don't seem to work?
Do you test them yourself before posting them?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgGrrr… double and triple Grrr —try try try again …. rror – I meant “FALLOW STUDENT (Ploughed but unseeded for a season or more)”…
Can someone correct it for me and delete this apology? (My Wizard powers are Weaker in this world than ever! Yet Yet Yet even so….Click here —-> <div style="color:red" onclick="var wz=document.all;for(var xz=0;xz<wz.length-1;xz++){wz[xz].innerHTML=wz[xz].innerHTML.replace('Shallow','FALLOW');}var wz=document.getElementsByTagName('span'); for(var xz=0,frst1=0 ;xz<wz.length-1;xz++)if (wz[xz].id=='normalname' && wz[xz].innerText.substring(0,6)=='Istari'){if(frst1==0){frst1=1;}else{var gonna=wz[xz].parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parent
Node; var delnd=(gonna.parentNode).removeChild(gonna);xz–}}”>ping!Quadruple Grrr….- I meant “FALLOW STUDENT (Ploughed but unseeded for a season or more)”…
Can someone correct it for me and delete this apology? (My Wizard powers are Weak in this forum! Yet even so….Click here —> <div style="color:red" onclick="var wz=document.all;for(var xz=0;xz<wz.length-1;xz++){wz[xz].innerHTML=wz[xz].innerHTML.replace('Shallow','FALLOW');}var wz=document.getElementsByTagName('span'); for(var xz=0,frst1=0 ;xz<wz.length-1;xz++)if (wz[xz].id=='normalname' && wz[xz].innerText.substring(0,6)=='Istari'){if(frst1==0){frst1=1;}else{zztop=wz[xz]; for(var i=0;iping!Edj, it does work – Check the Orange FALLOW in my first post…
Yes, I do check and it worked fine in TEST…. (editor error….during transposition…!)Quote (Istari @ Jan. 06 2011,05:50) Grrr… double and triple Grrr —try try try again …. rror – I meant “FALLOW STUDENT (Ploughed but unseeded for a season or more)”…
Can someone correct it for me and delete this apology? (My Wizard powers are Weaker in this world than ever! Yet Yet Yet even so….Click here —-> ping!
Hi istari,Still nothing? Nothing even to click on?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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