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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2010,02:35) Hey Pierre, Good scriptures. I'll have to look into them and get back to you. I heading off on a road trip to California right now. Please pray for a safe journey and return.
Btw, I finished Revelation. So now I've read the NWT, NIV, and CEV. I bought a NASB yesterday and can't wait to get on the beach and start all over again for time #4!peace and love,
mike
Have a good trip, and our prayers are with you…Peace and love Irene
MIke………….. Don't know what dictionary you guise are using but my say they are Heavenly (BODIES). Go out and by a Celestial telescope and look through it and tell us if you are seeing any invisible bodies out there in space. Celestial simply means Heavenly BODIES. And why do you think Paul went on to even clarify what he was talking about, the Celestial glory of the moon , differing in glory of the sun and stars all differing in Glory, So if Paul did not mean visible (Celestial) heavenly body then what would you call those Heavenly bodies out there, they are not of (this) earthly (Terrestrial) Bodies Paul was talking about.
Mike here imo is the problem with your religion it is based in MYSTERY RELIGION teachings, you make thing into things that are not truly being said, the same with John 1:1 forcing the text to say what in fact it does not say , the word (Jesus) is not written there but you just add it in to suit your religious beliefs, You rule out common sense in you reasonings IMO, Like where it say the :WORD” became flesh . So please try to speak a word and tell us it it can ever become (flesh). I can under stand a Word coming to be (IN) a flesh person but to say a WORD (IS) FLESH only and idiot would believe that. But then MYSTERY RELIGION causes people to believe in a whole hoist of false teachings, right Mike?
peace and love……………………………………………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2010,02:35) Hey Pierre, Good scriptures. I'll have to look into them and get back to you. I heading off on a road trip to California right now. Please pray for a safe journey and return.
Btw, I finished Revelation. So now I've read the NWT, NIV, and CEV. I bought a NASB yesterday and can't wait to get on the beach and start all over again for time #4!peace and love,
mike
Mike! have a good trip, our prayers are with you…..Peace and Love Irene
Definitions of celestial on the Web:
of or relating to the sky; “celestial map”; “a heavenly body”
relating to or inhabiting a divine heaven; “celestial beings”; “heavenly hosts”
of heaven or the spirit; “celestial peace”; “ethereal melodies”; “the supernal happiness of a quiet death”
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwnWebster Dictionary says the same thing, the above is from the internet.
Quote (Baker @ Dec. 28 2010,09:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2010,02:35) Hey Pierre, Good scriptures. I'll have to look into them and get back to you. I heading off on a road trip to California right now. Please pray for a safe journey and return.
Btw, I finished Revelation. So now I've read the NWT, NIV, and CEV. I bought a NASB yesterday and can't wait to get on the beach and start all over again for time #4!peace and love,
mike
Have a good trip, and our prayers are with you…Peace and love Irene
Mike have a good trip,may God be with you,i just order a English version of the SEPTENGIN it only contain the old testament
it is different
Pierre
To All……………..Celestrial according to http//wordnet web. Princeston.edu/peyl/wdbum……….Web Net Search 3.0 word to search for Keys:= show Syns (semantic) Relations w:2 show word Lexical Relations (NOUN)
S: (N) CELESTIAL BODY, HEAVENLY BODY, (NATURAL OBJECTS VISIBLE IN THE SKY)> Notice it say VISIBLE OBJECTS not (INVISIBLE OBJECTS) (IN THE SKY)>
The word Celestial comes from the Latin word Celestia which (SIMPLY MEANS) (SKY) another words whats up in the, Sky or Heavens, answer= the Moon , the Sun, the STARS, Just what Paul was talking about. Why can't you people even get simple things straight here for a change.
Now where in (INVISIBLE in this at) And Paul even went on to name them , the SUM, MOON, STARS. This is exactly what you and Irene, Terricca, do you cloud clear scriptures by adding you own personal meanings to what they are not saying. I think you all owe JA and apology over this one. IMO..
You people start a witch hunt here when others adamantly disagree with your dogmas and try to drive them off like i have see you do. You draw a person to personal attacks and then run and cry foul and try to get that person off the site i have seen this carried out many times here over the years, the very ones who start the verbal abuses draw other in and then try to remove them from the site. This is hardly a loving way to discuss scriptures. I believe you all owe JA an apology, I hope T8 can see what is going on here and put a stop to it. IMO
peace and love……………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 28 2010,09:26) To All……………..Celestrial according to http//wordnet web. Princeston.edu/peyl/wdbum……….Web Net Search 3.0 word to search for Keys:= show Syns (semantic) Relations w:2 show word Lexical Relations (NOUN) S: (N) CELESTIAL BODY, HEAVENLY BODY, (NATURAL OBJECTS VISIBLE IN THE SKY)> Notice it say VISIBLE OBJECTS not (INVISIBLE OBJECTS) (IN THE SKY)>
The word Celestial comes from the Latin word Celestia which (SIMPLY MEANS) (SKY) another words whats up in the, Sky or Heavens, answer= the Moon , the Sun, the STARS, Just what Paul was talking about. Why can't you people even get simple things straight here for a change.
Now where in (INVISIBLE in this at) And Paul even went on to name them , the SUM, MOON, STARS. This is exactly what you and Irene, Terricca, do you cloud clear scriptures by adding you own personal meanings to what they are not saying. I think you all owe JA and apology over this one. IMO..
You people start a witch hunt here when others adamantly disagree with your dogmas and try to drive them off like i have see you do. You draw a person to personal attacks and then run and cry foul and try to get that person off the site i have seen this carried out many times here over the years, the very ones who start the verbal abuses draw other in and then try to remove them from the site. This is hardly a loving way to discuss scriptures. I believe you all owe JA an apology, I hope T8 can see what is going on here and put a stop to it. IMO
peace and love……………………………………..gene
Definitions of celestial on the Web:
of or relating to the sky; “celestial map”; “a heavenly body”
relating to or inhabiting a divine heaven; “celestial beings”; “heavenly hosts”
of heaven or the spirit; “celestial peace”; “ethereal melodies”; “the supernal happiness of a quiet death”
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwnI goggled this and copied and pasted it. That is what came up first……do it yourself if you don't believe me…..even so scriptures say this
1Cr 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Cr 15:39 All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds.
1Cr 15:40 [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.
1Cr 15:41 [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.
1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cr 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
TO SAY THAT THERE ARE NO SPIRITUAL BODIES IS GOING AGAINST SCRIPTURES AND NOT ME……
One more thing, JA drove Himself of this site, He was abusive just like Martian was…..Who will do it next?
?? I hope not, just because they disagree with our believes, gives nobody the right to abuse others…..peace and love Irene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2010,01:14) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2010,14:17) Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 25 2010,20:07) Hi Ed. So, do you believe Jesus was risen in the flesh or Spirit ? A simple yes or no will do, thanks.
Yes; um a, I mean No; …hey wait a minute, this question can't be answered yes or no!Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2010,05:05) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 25 2010,21:50) A simple yes or no will NOT do!
Your question cannot be answered with a yes or a no?
Hi Ed,I thought the same thing when I saw Shimmer's post.
But we all know what she meant, right? She's looking for a DIRECT answer to her question, not more of your numbers I think.
peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,Yes; you see what I mean.
Are you denying that you were agreeing with me?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,I think you should answer her question even though she made a slip and it's not a YES or NO question.
So…………what's your answer? Mine is: FLESH
mike
Hi Mike,I see you're back to your old habits!
Calling questions that were answered: not answered!Perhaps this was because you didn't quote my entire quote?
Romans 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man,
that judgest them which do such things, and doest
the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?Dec. 25 2010,21:50
Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 25 2010,20:07) Hi Ed.
I'v heard all that before, what you posted to me. So, do you believe Jesus was risen in the flesh or Spirit ? A simple yes or no will do, thanks.
Hi Shimmer,But you still have trouble believing “The Truth”; Yes?
A simple yes or no will NOT do!
Your question cannot be answered with a yes or a no?
“God The Father” resurrected Jesus physically. (Gal.1:1)
“In Spirit Form” Jesus was taken up in a cloud . (Acts 1:9)
Jesus returned with the father on Pentecost. (John 14:23)
We're in the day of The LORD, burning up all the rudiments!God's Signature
יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)God's Name [יהוה] translates DIRECTLY into English as “YHVH”=63
The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.1) “The Passover”=148 The Passover(74×2): made possible “Pentecost”=117
“Messiah: Jesus”=148 “JESUS CHRIST“=151 was the “Testator”=151!2) “Pentecost”=117 Started the “God Spirit”=117(Holy Spirit), which
“Former Rain”=117 is “GOD THE FATHER”=117 reigning in Mankind!3) “Feast of Booths”=151 begins The “HOLY SPIRIT”=151(The LORD JEHOVAH=151)
“The Latter Rain”=151 “Tabernacles Feast”=151; being the culmination of all “THREE”!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Baker @ Dec. 28 2010,02:09) Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,16:38) chorus: “Oh, does any one wonder, are any of them right*” *(In the head?)
“How do any of them get sleep at night”
“Unrighteous misleading, truth deceiving”
“Hiding from perfect light” 
Hi Irene,I thought you said you always sign you name on your Posts, seems you forgot on this one?
To all:
Previously Shimmer quoted
Quote Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.
I cannot remember Jesus' blood being literally poured out at his crusifiction. Perhaps some when he was stabbed with a spear to check if he was dead. He was.
On the other hand I remember it being writen in Genesis that the blood is life and I know Jesus' life was poured out.
His scacrifice was a self sacrifice which is different than the sacrifice of an animal. I believe his body was disposed of outside of the city which was done with animals. That does not mean it saw decay as I dispose of what I consider garbage and another may salvage it.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2010,02:13) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 28 2010,02:02) Mike ………..Are you changing you views now , it seem you are, by now saying Jesus was raised in a flesh body and went to heaven in that body , not a spirit body. as you used to claim.
Hi Gene,You're half right Gene. I believe that Jesus was raised in the same flesh body he died in. I believe his “lowly flesh body” was then transformed into his glorious new spirtual body upon his ascension into heaven.
mike
Hi Mike,I believe Jesus body was resurrected into his glorious new body.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2010,15:11) Quote (Baker @ Dec. 28 2010,02:09) Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,16:38) chorus: “Oh, does any one wonder, are any of them right*” *(In the head?)
“How do any of them get sleep at night”
“Unrighteous misleading, truth deceiving”
“Hiding from perfect light”
Hi Irene,I thought you said you always sign you name on your Posts, seems you forgot on this one?
No i didn't, you didn't quote all of that post…..IreneQuote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2010,15:21) To all: Previously Shimmer quoted
Quote Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.
I cannot remember Jesus' blood being literally poured out at his crusifiction. Perhaps some when he was stabbed with a spear to check if he was dead. He was.
On the other hand I remember it being writen in Genesis that the blood is life and I know Jesus' life was poured out.
His scacrifice was a self sacrifice which is different than the sacrifice of an animal. I believe his body was disposed of outside of the city which was done with animals. That does not mean it saw decay as I dispose of what I consider garbage and another may salvage it.
Kerwin, I agree that Jesus was resurrected as a Spirit Body. I don't think though that there is a clear Scripture that tell us His Body was disposaed into a garbage dump of some kind….I do believe that God did dispose it somehow….How I don't know since there is no Scripture telling us……and to me it does not matter. ALL that matters that Jesus is a Spirit Being now…..Peace and Love Irene
Quote (Baker @ Dec. 28 2010,11:33) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 28 2010,09:26) To All……………..Celestrial according to http//wordnet web. Princeston.edu/peyl/wdbum……….Web Net Search 3.0 word to search for Keys:= show Syns (semantic) Relations w:2 show word Lexical Relations (NOUN) S: (N) CELESTIAL BODY, HEAVENLY BODY, (NATURAL OBJECTS VISIBLE IN THE SKY)> Notice it say VISIBLE OBJECTS not (INVISIBLE OBJECTS) (IN THE SKY)>
The word Celestial comes from the Latin word Celestia which (SIMPLY MEANS) (SKY) another words whats up in the, Sky or Heavens, answer= the Moon , the Sun, the STARS, Just what Paul was talking about. Why can't you people even get simple things straight here for a change.
Now where in (INVISIBLE in this at) And Paul even went on to name them , the SUM, MOON, STARS. This is exactly what you and Irene, Terricca, do you cloud clear scriptures by adding you own personal meanings to what they are not saying. I think you all owe JA and apology over this one. IMO..
You people start a witch hunt here when others adamantly disagree with your dogmas and try to drive them off like i have see you do. You draw a person to personal attacks and then run and cry foul and try to get that person off the site i have seen this carried out many times here over the years, the very ones who start the verbal abuses draw other in and then try to remove them from the site. This is hardly a loving way to discuss scriptures. I believe you all owe JA an apology, I hope T8 can see what is going on here and put a stop to it. IMO
peace and love……………………………………..gene
Definitions of celestial on the Web:
of or relating to the sky; “celestial map”; “a heavenly body”
relating to or inhabiting a divine heaven; “celestial beings”; “heavenly hosts”
of heaven or the spirit; “celestial peace”; “ethereal melodies”; “the supernal happiness of a quiet death”
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwnI goggled this and copied and pasted it. That is what came up first……do it yourself if you don't believe me…..even so scriptures say this
1Cr 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Cr 15:39 All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds.
1Cr 15:40 [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.
1Cr 15:41 [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.
1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cr 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
TO SAY THAT THERE ARE NO SPIRITUAL BODIES IS GOING AGAINST SCRIPTURES AND NOT ME……
One more thing, JA drove Himself of this site, He was abusive just like Martian was…..Who will do it next?
?? I hope not, just because they disagree with our believes, gives nobody the right to abuse others…..peace and love Irene
Ed This is the post thatn you questioned. IreneQuote (Baker @ Dec. 28 2010,16:07) Quote (Baker @ Dec. 28 2010,11:33) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 28 2010,09:26) To All……………..Celestrial according to http//wordnet web. Princeston.edu/peyl/wdbum……….Web Net Search 3.0 word to search for Keys:= show Syns (semantic) Relations w:2 show word Lexical Relations (NOUN) S: (N) CELESTIAL BODY, HEAVENLY BODY, (NATURAL OBJECTS VISIBLE IN THE SKY)> Notice it say VISIBLE OBJECTS not (INVISIBLE OBJECTS) (IN THE SKY)>
The word Celestial comes from the Latin word Celestia which (SIMPLY MEANS) (SKY) another words whats up in the, Sky or Heavens, answer= the Moon , the Sun, the STARS, Just what Paul was talking about. Why can't you people even get simple things straight here for a change.
Now where in (INVISIBLE in this at) And Paul even went on to name them , the SUM, MOON, STARS. This is exactly what you and Irene, Terricca, do you cloud clear scriptures by adding you own personal meanings to what they are not saying. I think you all owe JA and apology over this one. IMO..
You people start a witch hunt here when others adamantly disagree with your dogmas and try to drive them off like i have see you do. You draw a person to personal attacks and then run and cry foul and try to get that person off the site i have seen this carried out many times here over the years, the very ones who start the verbal abuses draw other in and then try to remove them from the site. This is hardly a loving way to discuss scriptures. I believe you all owe JA an apology, I hope T8 can see what is going on here and put a stop to it. IMO
peace and love……………………………………..gene
Definitions of celestial on the Web:
of or relating to the sky; “celestial map”; “a heavenly body”
relating to or inhabiting a divine heaven; “celestial beings”; “heavenly hosts”
of heaven or the spirit; “celestial peace”; “ethereal melodies”; “the supernal happiness of a quiet death”
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwnI goggled this and copied and pasted it. That is what came up first……do it yourself if you don't believe me…..even so scriptures say this
1Cr 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Cr 15:39 All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds.
1Cr 15:40 [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.
1Cr 15:41 [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.
1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cr 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
TO SAY THAT THERE ARE NO SPIRITUAL BODIES IS GOING AGAINST SCRIPTURES AND NOT ME……
One more thing, JA drove Himself of this site, He was abusive just like Martian was…..Who will do it next?
?? I hope not, just because they disagree with our believes, gives nobody the right to abuse others…..peace and love Irene
Ed This is the post thatn you questioned. Irene
What?Quote (Baker @ Dec. 28 2010,15:59) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2010,15:11) Quote (Baker @ Dec. 28 2010,02:09) Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,16:38) chorus: “Oh, does any one wonder, are any of them right*” *(In the head?)
“How do any of them get sleep at night”
“Unrighteous misleading, truth deceiving”
“Hiding from perfect light”
Hi Irene,I thought you said you always sign you name on your Posts, seems you forgot on this one?
No i didn't, you didn't quote all of that post…..Irene
Hi Irene,I see the feeding frenzy continues! Click Here <–Sixth Post down
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2010,19:48) Now that yo got a taste for blood, do you got your sights on me next?
Hey Mr. It was not I who took JA out…..I also didn't report Him, even though I felt like it……You sure like to jump to conclusion….. don't do that…….OKPeace and Love Irene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2010,01:53) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 28 2010,01:29) JA………..This i agree with you on Celestial means heaven (ly) bodies like the moon, sun and stars. Terrestrial comes from the word (Terra) meaning Earth or dirt, land., I have been through this before with Irene and she just does not understand it and it appears Mike and Terreicca also do not. So in this you are right about them.
No Gene,He was NOT right, and neither are you about this. First, I showed him the definition of “celestial” from Dictionary.com that listed “invisible heavenly BEINGS” as one of the definitions. Then, Irene listed Miriam Webster's Dictionary that had the same listing. Then, I Googled it at his request, and posted 4 listings from the very first Google page that listed “angels” and “invisible heavenly BEINGS” in their definition.
THEN, I challenged him to find ONE source that did NOT list invisible beings in their definition of “celestial”, and instead of doing it, he just pretended that he couldn't see all that research that I took the time to post – and went back to posting the same things about Google all over again.
How do you argue against someone like that Gene? He says Google doesn't have it, I showed him it does, he ignores that and reposts that Google doesn't have it.
It's similar to arguing John 1:14 with you Gene. No matter what we say, you INSIST that the words “came to be IN” are in the text when they are NOT. You just can't logically argue against someone who won't accept the truth when it's shown to them.
mike
Mike………… 1 co 15:39-40………> All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one lind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of birds, 40……> Also celestial BODIES and bodies terrestrial : But the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41……> (Now he explains what he means) There is one glory of the sun and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars, : for one star differs from star in glory.All the above is dealing with visible bodies, nothing there is implying (invisible) at all. Now lets go on following Paul words
1Co 15:42….> So also is the (RESURRECTION) of the DEAD , (IT) (the body) is sown in (CORRUPTION); (IT) (the body) is raised in (INCORRUPTION) : (does any one see invisible here) going on 43….> (IT) (the body) is sown in dishonor, (IT) (the body) is raised in power: (IT) (the body) is sown a natural body; (IT) (the body) is raised a SPIRITUAL (BODY). Notice it does not say SPIRIT BODY but “SPIRITUAL BODY'> There is a Natural Body and there is a SPIRITUAL BODY, Notice again it does not say SPIRIT BODY, because no such thing exists as a SPIRIT BODY>
Notice all the other scripture Paul wrote he used the word (SPIRITUAL) not the WORD SPIRIT. Spiritual means of the Spirit not the Spirit it self, as If i say He was Godly , does that mean he was GOD, no of course not, If i say he was a Spiritual Man does that mean he was a Spirit man no of course not.. IMO
peace and love…………………………..gene
What you are talking about is the word Celestial in the sense of something (invisible), But when you look up your definition of just (celestial), is simply means heaven or sky but Paul said Celestial (BODIES) and then went on to name then as differing in Glory one from another, the sun , moon, and stars. As i said before even the word Celestia from Latin roots means (Sky) or Heavens. It has nothing to do with (INVISIBLE Beings) but that would not exclude bodies out in the Celestia (Sky or heavens) that we can't see also (without a telescope> The heavenly bodies are the sun moon and stars, and these are celestial bodies. Lets stay with what Paul was talking about (CELESTIAL BODIES) SUN, MOON, AND STARS.
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