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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 26 2010,17:19) Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 25 2010,20:07) Hi Ed. So, do you believe Jesus was risen in the flesh or Spirit ? A simple yes or no will do, thanks.
Yes; um a, I mean No; …hey wait a minute, this question can't be answered yes or no!Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2010,05:05) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 25 2010,21:50) A simple yes or no will NOT do!
Your question cannot be answered with a yes or a no?
Hi Ed,I thought the same thing when I saw Shimmer's post.
peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,Yes; you see what I mean.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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Ed,Please repost this with the rest of what I said. I don't care if you post all my words as long as the meaning of what I said is clear. You have butchered my quote to make it seem like I was taking your side on this. I was not. Shimmer asked you a DIRECT question, and instead of answering it, you played games with the fact she mistaken asked for a YES or NO to a question that didn't require a yes or no.
And I reflected in my post that we all knew what she meant, including you. You have destroyed the intent of my post by leaving the other part of what I said out of it.
You have done this to Kathi also, and she is railing against you for it right now. Ed, you need to fix this and also come to terms with Kathi on this matter. You can't cut words that change the meaning out of others' posts. It is dishonest and deceitful.
Ed, I wasn't a moderator when it happened with Kathi, so I could do nothing about it. And since you haven't done it with her since I've been a moderator, I can't go back and address something from the past. But I am moderating now, and you need to fix this and apologize to Shimmer for slanting my post to make it sound like I was ridiculing her.
Please fix this Ed. In the spirit of love and all that is right.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (shimmer @ Dec. 26 2010,21:47) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2010,05:16) Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 25 2010,18:36) And nearly all other Christan people will agree with this… that Jesus was raised from the dead in the flesh, and that after so many days he assended in his glorified body to heaven. And this is the truth and these are the facts.
Hi Shimmer,You are right. These are the facts. In what way do you think Jesus' “glorified” body was different from the one he was raised in?
This thread was to discuss whether or not spirits have bodies, Shimmer. Jesus IS a spirit. Jesus DOES have a body. These are also the facts. So do you also believe this to be the truth?
mike
Hi Mike.Spirit is invisible.
Soul is invisible.
We are Bodies and we have a Spirit and we have a Soul.
The Spirit, Soul and Body can be divided.
“For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”
There are three parts to us. Two are invisible.
Jesus had a body and he had God in him, and he had the Holy Spirit in him, both invisible.
No-one can ever see God, or the Holy Spirit, but Jesus can be seen.
No-one can ever see our Spirit or Soul, but our flesh can be seen.
Just thought's thats all.
Hi Shimmer,I put it to you like you put it to Ed:
Jesus IS spirit now. Jesus DOES have a body now. DOES THE SPIRIT JESUS HAVE A BODY?
A simple YES or NO will do.
mike
To Georg, Irene and Pierre,
I've read your posts, and I don't want to say the same things to all of you many times over.
Here's where I am so far:
1. The actual BODY of Jesus is not said to be what was sacrificed as a ransom in any scripture I know of.
2. The actual BODY of Jesus WON'T see decay.
3. Jesus also walked on water with a flesh body, why couldn't God allow his flesh body to be unrecognizable and enter into a locked building? Neither of these two points you guys have made specifically mean that Jesus was not raised in a flesh body, so we should drop those points altogether, right?
4. Maybe there is something to be considered about the BLOOD of Jesus. I've always wondered why Jesus said he had “flesh and BONE” instead of the more common term “flesh and BLOOD”. And that fits in with the scriptures that say the BLOOD of Jesus was poured out for all of us. Scripture speaks of this many ways. It says we were saved by the BLOOD of the Lamb. It says that Jesus offered his own BLOOD as a ransom for us.
1 Peter 1 NIV
18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.Also, this would explain why Jesus wasn't bleeding all over the place when Thomas stuck his hand into his side. And it would clear up why Jesus chose the unfamiliar term “flesh and BONE”.
We know from the OT that God considered the blood sacred, and we are told not to eat it. The BLOOD must go back to the earth. It was Abel's BLOOD that cried out to Jehovah from the earth about his murder.
Irene, I heard your points, but they say nothing to prove Jesus couldn't have been raised flesh. Georg, I read your scriptures and your points, but the same thing applies to you.
The bottom line is this: We have NO scripture that says the BODY of Jesus was the sacrifice. We DO have scripture that says he sacrificed his BLOOD for us.
We DO have scripture that says his BODY would NOT see decay. And we DO have scripture in which Jesus point blank told his followers that he was NOT spirit.
What do you all say about the BLOOD being the sacrifice? The more I think about it, the more I realize it was right there in front of us the whole time, plain as day.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (shimmer @ Dec. 26 2010,21:47) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2010,05:16) Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 25 2010,18:36) And nearly all other Christan people will agree with this… that Jesus was raised from the dead in the flesh, and that after so many days he assended in his glorified body to heaven. And this is the truth and these are the facts.
Hi Shimmer,You are right. These are the facts. In what way do you think Jesus' “glorified” body was different from the one he was raised in?
This thread was to discuss whether or not spirits have bodies, Shimmer. Jesus IS a spirit. Jesus DOES have a body. These are also the facts. So do you also believe this to be the truth?
mike
Hi Mike.Spirit is invisible.
Soul is invisible.
We are Bodies and we have a Spirit and we have a Soul.
The Spirit, Soul and Body can be divided.
“For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”
There are three parts to us. Two are invisible.
Jesus had a body and he had God in him, and he had the Holy Spirit in him, both invisible.
No-one can ever see God, or the Holy Spirit, but Jesus can be seen.
No-one can ever see our Spirit or Soul, but our flesh can be seen.
Just thought's thats all.
Shimmer
Spirit is invisible, soul is not; a soul is what you are, a soul is what your pet is. Unfortunately, soul is sometimes used instead of spirit, or mind.
Ed has no clue either how Jesus was raised, he must have run out of numbers.
Jesus was raised a spirit being again, that was his nature before he became one of us. After his ascension back to heaven is when he received his reward, a glorified, immortal body.Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself (immortality); so hath he “”given”” to the Son to have life in himself (immortality);
This next verse is speaking of Jesus.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
That is what a glorified body would look like. Paul saw Jesus for just a moment, and it blinded him.
Act 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that “”appeared unto thee”” in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
“”THESE ARE THE SCRIPTURES, AND THEY ARE THE FACTS””.
Of course spirits have bodies, invisible bodies; that's why they are called spirits, meaning, invisible.
That is why Paul referred to our mind as spirit, it too is invisible; what is there so hard to understand?
God is spirit, invisible, but God has a mind too, his mind is Holy, that is why we refer to it as Holy mind/Spirit, but it is not another person.
Jesus will not be seen by any human either, ever, because of his glorified countenance, it would blind us all.Georg
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2010,04:30) To Georg, Irene and Pierre, I've read your posts, and I don't want to say the same things to all of you many times over.
Here's where I am so far:
1. The actual BODY of Jesus is not said to be what was sacrificed as a ransom in any scripture I know of.
2. The actual BODY of Jesus WON'T see decay.
3. Jesus also walked on water with a flesh body, why couldn't God allow his flesh body to be unrecognizable and enter into a locked building? Neither of these two points you guys have made specifically mean that Jesus was not raised in a flesh body, so we should drop those points altogether, right?
4. Maybe there is something to be considered about the BLOOD of Jesus. I've always wondered why Jesus said he had “flesh and BONE” instead of the more common term “flesh and BLOOD”. And that fits in with the scriptures that say the BLOOD of Jesus was poured out for all of us. Scripture speaks of this many ways. It says we were saved by the BLOOD of the Lamb. It says that Jesus offered his own BLOOD as a ransom for us.
1 Peter 1 NIV
18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.Also, this would explain why Jesus wasn't bleeding all over the place when Thomas stuck his hand into his side. And it would clear up why Jesus chose the unfamiliar term “flesh and BONE”.
We know from the OT that God considered the blood sacred, and we are told not to eat it. The BLOOD must go back to the earth. It was Abel's BLOOD that cried out to Jehovah from the earth about his murder.
Irene, I heard your points, but they say nothing to prove Jesus couldn't have been raised flesh. Georg, I read your scriptures and your points, but the same thing applies to you.
The bottom line is this: We have NO scripture that says the BODY of Jesus was the sacrifice. We DO have scripture that says he sacrificed his BLOOD for us.
We DO have scripture that says his BODY would NOT see decay. And we DO have scripture in which Jesus point blank told his followers that he was NOT spirit.
What do you all say about the BLOOD being the sacrifice? The more I think about it, the more I realize it was right there in front of us the whole time, plain as day.
peace and love,
mike
MikeWhat do you think is meant by his blood? he poured out his blood for us, does that not mean he died for us?
I can't believe some of the statements I read on this forum.
You want to grow in knowledge and understanding you have to let go of the milk bottle.1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
Hbr 5:12 ¶ For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Hbr 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Hbr 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Georg
Quote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,04:52) Mike What do you think is meant by his blood? he poured out his blood for us, does that not mean he died for us?
I can't believe some of the statements I read on this forum.
You want to grow in knowledge and understanding you have to let go of the milk bottle.
Hi Georg,Thanks for you response. But what is the purpose of your comments and scriptures? To insult me personally? Let's not sink to JA's level, please.
I am not disputing that Jesus died for us. But if there are many scriptures that CLEARLY state it was Jesus' BLOOD that he offered as a sacrifice, and NONE that say anything about him sacrificing his actual BODY, then it is only your conjecture to gleam that the BODY was the sacrifice, not scripture itself.
Add that fact to the scripture that also CLEARLY says that his body would NOT see decay, and the one where Jesus DIRECTLY says he is NOT a spirit, and what are you left with?
Georg, you have ignored my scriptures and points and instead went directly into suggesting I am still on milk – as if that changes the SCRIPTURES I listed in any way. I AM still on milk, and if you have any SCRIPTURES that say it was the BODY of Jesus that was the sacrifice, or any that say he was raised directly from the grave as a spirit, then lay them on me, and I will take one step closer to solid food. If however, you don't have scriptures to this effect, then please DIRECTLY address the points and scriptures I listed.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2010,05:56) Quote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,04:52) Mike What do you think is meant by his blood? he poured out his blood for us, does that not mean he died for us?
I can't believe some of the statements I read on this forum.
You want to grow in knowledge and understanding you have to let go of the milk bottle.
Hi Georg,Thanks for you response. But what is the purpose of your comments and scriptures? To insult me personally? Let's not sink to JA's level, please.
I am not disputing that Jesus died for us. But if there are many scriptures that CLEARLY state it was Jesus' BLOOD that he offered as a sacrifice, and NONE that say anything about him sacrificing his actual BODY, then it is only your conjecture to gleam that the BODY was the sacrifice, not scripture itself.
Add that fact to the scripture that also CLEARLY says that his body would NOT see decay, and the one where Jesus DIRECTLY says he is NOT a spirit, and what are you left with?
Georg, you have ignored my scriptures and points and instead went directly into suggesting I am still on milk – as if that changes the SCRIPTURES I listed in any way. I AM still on milk, and if you have any SCRIPTURES that say it was the BODY of Jesus that was the sacrifice, or any that say he was raised directly from the grave as a spirit, then lay them on me, and I will take one step closer to solid food. If however, you don't have scriptures to this effect, then please DIRECTLY address the points and scriptures I listed.
peace and love,
mike
Mike! Sorry that Georg got personal with you, that is never my style either, but let me ask you. You said that it was Jesus blood that was the ransom, right? Can a flesh body be without the blood? I don't think so. I also known what happened to the body, that the body did not decay. Scripture does not say what happened to the body…..But you have to remember what exactly a ransom is. It had to be done away with, otherwise the ransom would not be a ransom, don't you think so?
these are the reason that I believe Jesus was resurrected as a Spirit being. Also does this scripture not say so in1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cr 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
i did not read your Scriptures yet, will do so next.
peace and love Irene
mike! lets take Phil. 3:21
Phl 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers;1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
again, blood and body are sacrificed. A body cannot exist without the blood…..
Please give me other Scriptures….
Peace and love Irene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2010,06:06) Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 26 2010,21:47) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2010,05:16) Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 25 2010,18:36) And nearly all other Christan people will agree with this… that Jesus was raised from the dead in the flesh, and that after so many days he assended in his glorified body to heaven. And this is the truth and these are the facts.
Hi Shimmer,You are right. These are the facts. In what way do you think Jesus' “glorified” body was different from the one he was raised in?
This thread was to discuss whether or not spirits have bodies, Shimmer. Jesus IS a spirit. Jesus DOES have a body. These are also the facts. So do you also believe this to be the truth?
mike
Hi Mike.Spirit is invisible.
Soul is invisible.
We are Bodies and we have a Spirit and we have a Soul.
The Spirit, Soul and Body can be divided.
“For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”
There are three parts to us. Two are invisible.
Jesus had a body and he had God in him, and he had the Holy Spirit in him, both invisible.
No-one can ever see God, or the Holy Spirit, but Jesus can be seen.
No-one can ever see our Spirit or Soul, but our flesh can be seen.
Just thought's thats all.
Hi Shimmer,I put it to you like you put it to Ed:
Jesus IS spirit now. Jesus DOES have a body now. DOES THE SPIRIT JESUS HAVE A BODY?
A simple YES or NO will do.
mike
Yes.And Mike, your doing well. Good on you. Keep what you have and don't let go.
Quote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,06:26)
Can a flesh body be without the blood?
Hi Irene,That was one of my points. The term “flesh and blood” is used commonly in the scriptures. Why do you suppose that we only hear the phrase “flesh and BONE” one time in scripture? I think it was because the blood of Jesus had been the sacrifice. Check this out:
Leviticus 17 NIV
11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.The human life of Jesus was in his blood. His blood was poured out as the sacrifice, like scriptures say. It was his BLOOD that made atonement for all of us. Scriptures say nothing about Jesus' BODY being the sacrifice at all. They all say “LIFE” or “BLOOD”, not “BODY”.
As far as Jesus having a flesh body void of blood, God could have made him out of a rock if He wanted to. I'm sure God could have made Jesus live in a flesh body without blood. And don't forget, Jesus oddly says “flesh and BONE”, not “flesh and BLOOD” after he was raised.
Quote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,06:26)
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Irene, I believe Paul is speaking of those who are to be raised to heaven. Those will be raised TO HEAVEN with spiritual bodies. But Jesus wasn't raised immediately to heaven. He was raised back to earth first. And just like the meek who will be raised to inherit the earth, Jesus had no need for the spiritual body until he finally ascended into heaven. Nor were any of the others who were raised from the dead in scripture raised back to life with a spiritual body. A spiritual body was not necessary for them to live a while longer on earth. I believe it was at the time that Jesus ascended to heaven that his body was TRANSFORMED, as Paul puts it, into his glorious spiritual body.peace and love,
mikeQuote (shimmer @ Dec. 27 2010,07:00) And Mike, your doing well. Good on you. Keep what you have and don't let go. Baby steps Shimmer. God is working it out for me with scriptures and understanding as the discussion moves slowly along.
See, I wasn't “bailing” on you. I just want to progress slowly so there's no misunderstandings.
And I DO value the insight of Georg, Pierre and Irene. And so I want them to have the chance to show me something I might have missed instead of just saying “You're wrong and I'm right”. (Don't tell anyone, but I think we are right on this one.
)peace and love,
mikeQuote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,06:32) Spirit is invisible, soul is not; a soul is what you are, a soul is what your pet is.
I'll try and find agreement later that Soul and Spirit and Body are three different things. When I have the time though. Just a thought as I said.Quote This next verse is speaking of Jesus. Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
That is what a glorified body would look like. Paul saw Jesus for just a moment, and it blinded him.
Act 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that “”appeared unto thee”” in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
When Jesus returns, his presence will shine… bright.Quote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,06:49) mike! lets take Phil. 3:21 Phl 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers;1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
again, blood and body are sacrificed. A body cannot exist without the blood…..
Please give me other Scriptures….
Peace and love Irene
Hi Irene,You post two scriptures that tell us two things. First that Paul longs for his FLESH body to be TRANSFORMED into a body like Jesus now has – presumably the same way Jesus' flesh body was TRANSFORMED into the glorious spiritual body he now has.
Second, you list a scripture that supports what I'M saying – that it was the BLOOD of Jesus, not the BODY of Jesus, that redeemed us.
But then you somehow come to the reasoning that these scriptures say “blood AND body” are sacrificed when neither of them says that.
And you end with your reasoning that a body cannot exist without blood. But God has made many living things that exist without blood, although they have a form of flesh. Fungus comes to mind right off the bat. Do you really think God couldn't have made Jesus alive without his blood if He wanted to?
I appreciate the scriptures and questions and points, Irene. It is by taking this “scripture by scripture” approach that we will arrive eventually at the truth of the matter – whatever that may be.
peace and love,
mikeMikeboll is all conjecture.
He has lost the debate and discussion and has decided that the only way to save his dignity (actually – not) is to spout even more nonesense hoping to cover his previous nonesense.
Mikeboll says JA is “Stuck in the Flesh” … amongst all Mikeboll's other twaddle this has to be the greatest of all.
After I explain how a Spirit cannot have a body because a body (of any sort) cannot occupy the 5th and higher dimensions – Mike claims that I am stuck in the flesh…how quaint… This is the man who says that a Spirit has a body but knows not of what substance – Mike, let me answer that for you:
“The reason you KNOW NOT OF WHAT SUBSTANCE is because THERE IS NO SUBSTANCE” … That's why they are called SPIRITS…The Fleshly EYES of Mike are the ones that CANNOT SEE in the SPIRIT… else all would be clear…
When he is shown Scriptural Truth he simply ignores it…Mike doesn't want to agree with anyone except for that person to say “Yes, Mike!”.
This is the childishness of the flesh man, Mikeboll being the pre-eminent of such Flesh men in this forum.
Still, as can be read from his post – each of his posts moves him a little closer to the truth…keep coming, Mike. You'll soon get here…
Mike just needs confidence in himself…Mike lacks the confidence of the Spirit…Mike needs to touch before he believes…so how will he “Touch the Spirit” when the Spirit has nothing to touch? Perhaps it is the Spirit that will Touch Him…
Mike, my son is laughing at your post…
hi Mike
this is my view base;
Ge 4:4 But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering,Ex 12:1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt,
Ex 12:2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year.
Ex 12:3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household.
Ex 12:4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat.
Ex 12:5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats.
Ex 12:6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight.
Ex 12:7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs.
Ex 12:8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.
Ex 12:9 Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire—head, legs and inner parts.
Ex 12:10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it.
Ex 12:11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD'S Passover.Ex 12:43 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “These are the regulations for the Passover:
“No foreigner is to eat of it.
Ex 12:48 “An alien living among you who wants to celebrate the LORD'S Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat of itEx 34:25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast,
Nu 9:12 They must not leave any of it till morning or break any of its bones. When they celebrate the Passover, they must follow all the regulations.
Dt 16:2 Sacrifice as the Passover to the LORD your God an animal from your flock or herd at the place the LORD will choose as a dwelling for his Name.(THIS IS OUR HEARTHS)
Dt 16:2 Sacrifice as the Passover to the LORD your God an animal from your flock or herd at the place the LORD will choose as a dwelling for his Name.
Mt 26:18 He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’
Jesus’ disciples asked him, “Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Lk 22:15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Jn 13:1 It was just before the Passover Feast. Jesus knew that the time had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he now showed them the full extent of his love.
Heb 11:28 By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.
1Co 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
1Co 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
Jn 6:55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
Jn 6:56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
Jn 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.Phil 3:3 For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh—
Lev 7:16 “ ‘If, however, his offering is the result of a vow or is a freewill offering, the sacrifice shall be eaten on the day he offers it, but anything left over may be eaten on the next day.
Lev 7:17 Any meat of the sacrifice left over till the third day must be burned up.Lev 7:16 “ ‘If, however, his offering is the result of a vow or is a freewill offering, the sacrifice shall be eaten on the day he offers it, but anything left over may be eaten on the next day.
Lev 7:17 Any meat of the sacrifice left over till the third day must be burned up.Ro 3:25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood (live is in the blood). He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished—
Eph 5:2 and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
Heb 10:10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the BODY of Jesus Christ once for all.1Jn 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 4:10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.This is in short what make me believe that Christ was resurrected in spirit,Just as the body of Moses was take away and out of the hands of men ,so it was with the body of Christ ,the usefulness of that body after the sacrifice was made was so ended.
what Paul explain is that the shadow of the law has now become real.this also need understanding.
Pierre
To all,
Irene in quoted:
Quote Phl 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Why does scripture call what God created vile?
Is it because it has been corrupted by sin?
Is a body uncorrupted by sin considered a glorious body in the eyes of God?
The Corrupt Body is made into an incorruptible body.
It is the same body (Not changed to a Spirit) but made glorious.
The smeared glass cleansed. The blemished gown whitened.
It is the very same glass…….It is the very same Gown….Jesus' body was 'sown' in a corrupted body: Jesus took on the SINS of Mankind – But did not see FLESHLY corruption in the grave by the grace of God.
Jesus' body was raised into Incorruptible flesh – the glorious body.Jesus said A spirit does not have flesh and bones as He had… Jesus said He had flesh and bones, not flesh and blood… Jesus' blood was drained out of His body on the cross… His blood is what cleansed us of our sins.
Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.
Acts 20:28 Shepherd the assembly of the Lord and God which he purchased with his own blood.
Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we will be saved from God's wrath through him.
Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,
Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off are made near in the blood of Christ.
Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.
Collosians 1:20 And through him to reconcile all things to himself, by him, whether things on the earth, or things in the heavens, having made peace through the blood of his cross.
Hebrews 9:12-14 Nor yet through the blood of goats and calves, but through his own blood, entered in once for all into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled, sanctify to the cleanness of the flesh: how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 10:19 Having therefore, brothers, boldness to enter into the holy place by the blood of Jesus,
Hebrews 10:29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will he be judged worthy of, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 13:20 Now may the God of peace, who brought again from the dead the great shepherd of the sheep with the blood of an eternal covenant, our Lord Jesus.
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.
Revelation 1:5 Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood.
Revelation 5:9 They sang a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the book, and to open its seals: for you were killed, and bought us for God with your blood, out of every tribe, language, people, and nation.
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,11:18) The Corrupt Body is made into an incorruptible body. It is the same body (Not changed to a Spirit) but made glorious.
The smeared glass cleansed. The blemished gown whitened.
It is the very same glass…….It is the very same Gown….Jesus' body was 'sown' in a corrupted body: Jesus took on the SINS of Mankind – But did not see FLESHLY corruption in the grave by the grace of God.
Jesus' body was raised into Incorruptible flesh – the glorious body.
Thats right Jay.
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