Do spirits have bodies?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 17 2010,17:11)

Hi Mike, Life, my friend, life! …Not the dirt! Could the verse be implying that the Father is resident in the animals as well as every else?

OH! I understand now.

Well Ed, here's how I see it. If the Father is resident IN the animals – or even people, then those animals and people would be at least as holy as the ark of the covenant. But only Levites could touch the ark, and Uzzah was killed by God just for trying to steady it so it didn't fall off the wagon.

Wouldn't these birds be holy if God was IN them? Wouldn't one who touched those birds die?

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 17 2010,17:42)

Mike Boll, I am not God but according to scripture I have my being within God. All of creation has its physical existence within God.

Hi Kerwin,

Which scriptures please?

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 17 2010,23:49)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2010,13:19) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 17 2010,02:55) Mike…………Yes even that Spider you killed had spirit in it or it could not live, all life has spirit (a working intellect) in it. And it all comes from ONE GOD that is in ALL things. No Gene, the spider is not God.  All things live because of the spirit God GAVE them.  But that is not to say that all things are God. mike Mike ……….where did i say all thing are GOD, i said all thing have GOD (IN) them because GOD (IS) SPIRIT and LIFE. Why can't you quote a person rightly? Try being truthful for a change OK> peace and love………………………gene

Hi Gene,

Okay then. If all things are NOT God, what separates the being of what IS God from those other things?

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 18 2010,00:15)

If GOD were to retract His Spirit all flesh would die.

Hi Gene,

“Retract it” to where?  You see what I'm after here?  If God can choose to fill you or not to fill you, then somewhere,  there is an “edge” of what is God.  

God could choose to fill everyone and everything on earth except you Gene.  He has that choice and that power, agreed?

Okay, so what is that “edge” of God's being that let's him be in me when I'm standing right next to you, but keeps him from being in you?

Do you understand?  I'm not claiming that God is “limited” to a certain body type or size.  I'm just saying that God decides the extent to which he will go at any given time, and the “edge” of that extent would be considered the “body” that “contains” the being of God at that particular time.

I don't KNOW anything about this.  That's why I brought it up in the first place.  I just logically assume that the “edge” that separates what IS the being of God the Father from things that are NOT God the Father is a “body” of sorts.  Something that God is on the inside of while things that are not God are on the outside of.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 18 2010,04:43)

Here is your answer..YES, spirits dwell in bodies. Everyone here has a spirit and everyone here has a body, so yes, spirits dwell in bodies…there are earthly bodies and heavenly bodies and they contain spirit.

Hi Kathi,

That's also how Gene sees it, and I concur. But what about God? I know he isn't LIMITED to any particular “body”, but don't you think there has to be some “outer perimeter” that separates what IS God from what is NOT God?

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 18 2010,06:58)

I believe Jesus was spirit but he became flesh……not in form only but in reality…..the first to ever do so from out of the spiritual realm……unique in that he did.

Hi Shimmer,

So then that would mean that spirits CAN procreate, right?  Because if Jesus was the first “reality flesh”, then those angels who procreated with human women, although MAYBE taking the form of flesh (I say maybe, for the scriptures do not say), were not “reality flesh”, and therefore still really spirit beings, right?

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 18 2010,03:20)

To all those who think that a Spirit has a body. Time for definition…What are you saying that 'a body' is?

Hi JA,

I'm saying any “outer perimeter” that distinguishes where one spirit being ends and another begins. The spirit's “outermost extremeties”.

It doesn't have to be a “body” that any of us would recognize.

Even wind has an “outer extremity”, right? It's not windy everywhere all the time, right?

mike

[mikeboll64]

Shimmer:

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“Sons of God” in Job….The original translation has it as “Angels of God”

You have it backwards.  The Hebrew text says “sons of God”, but most English translations render it as “angels”.

Shimmer:

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Jesus said that Angels do not engage in sexual activites, in Heaven.

Jesus actually doesn't mention sex, but says:

Mark 12:25
When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

I understand it the way you do.  But we must remember that humans and other earthly creatures can have sex without being married.  So maybe angels can too.  This is where you have to be careful about what you claim as a fact.  Like I tell JA, you can't just claim something as a scriptural fact when it is only your “conjecture” of what the scripture is saying.  But like I said, I think you are right that angels do not have sex with each other, but instead are each individually created by God THROUGH JESUS.  But it is only what we “THINK”……..not what we scripturally “KNOW”.  And that is a BIG difference.

Shimmer:

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However with the “Nephilim” Angels could have possessed human bodies…similar to demon possesion……….

If the angel only possessed a human body, then wouldn't it still have been human sperm fertilizing a human egg?  Just asking……

peace and love,
mike

[shimmer]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2010,11:47)

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 18 2010,03:20) To all those who think that a Spirit has a body. Time for definition…What are you saying that 'a body' is? Hi JA, I'm saying any “outer perimeter” that distinguishes where one spirit being ends and another begins.  The spirit's “outermost extremeties”. It doesn't have to be a “body” that any of us would recognize.   Even wind has an “outer extremity”, right?  It's not windy everywhere all the time, right? mike

I think I would have to agree with that.

Spirit must have some kind of form.

[shimmer]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 18 2010,11:10)

shimmer killing your ego means in reality ;to stop living for yourself,because ego keep yourself centered on you rather than the others, Godly love is looking to others before you looking at yourself, it is our behavior that has to change. this is Gods and Christ way, the devil way is with EGO; pierre

Well I think removing ego is a good idea.

[shimmer]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2010,12:02)

Shimmer: Quote “Sons of God” in Job….The original translation has it as “Angels of God” You have it backwards.  The Hebrew text says “sons of God”, but most English translations render it as “angels”.

ok.

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Shimmer: Quote Jesus said that Angels do not engage in sexual activites, in Heaven. Jesus actually doesn't mention sex, but says: Mark 12:25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

I knew that but your right.

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I understand it the way you do.  But we must remember that humans and other earthly creatures can have sex without being married.  So maybe angels can too.  This is where you have to be careful about what you claim as a fact.  Like I tell JA, you can't just claim something as a scriptural fact when it is only your “conjecture” of what the scripture is saying.  But like I said, I think you are right that angels do not have sex with each other, but instead are each individually created by God THROUGH JESUS.  But it is only what we “THINK”……..not what we scripturally “KNOW”.  And that is a BIG difference.

Thats true, we dont know because it doesnt say. All there are are a few verses to go by.

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Shimmer: Quote However with the “Nephilim” Angels could have possessed human bodies…similar to demon possesion………. If the angel only possessed a human body, then wouldn't it still have been human sperm fertilizing a human egg?  Just asking……

Hmmm thats true, ok, your right in everything I wrote so far.

[Lightenup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2010,17:36)

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 18 2010,04:43) Here is your answer..YES, spirits dwell in bodies. Everyone here has a spirit and everyone here has a body, so yes, spirits dwell in bodies…there are earthly bodies and heavenly bodies and they contain spirit. Hi Kathi, That's also how Gene sees it, and I concur.  But what about God?  I know he isn't LIMITED to any particular “body”, but don't you think there has to be some “outer perimeter” that separates what IS God from what is NOT God? mike

Yes Mike,
I agree with that. How else could His presence come and go from the tabernacle in the desert, or how could He pass by Moses? How could He leave?

[terraricca]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 18 2010,17:26)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 18 2010,11:10) shimmer killing your ego means in reality ;to stop living for yourself,because ego keep yourself centered on you rather than the others, Godly love is looking to others before you looking at yourself, it is our behavior that has to change. this is Gods and Christ way, the devil way is with EGO; pierre Well I think removing ego is a good idea.

shimmer

it is a must,

Ecc 1:12 I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem.
Ecc 1:13 I devoted myself to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under heaven. What a heavy burden God has laid on men!
Ecc 1:14 I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.
Ecc 1:15 What is twisted cannot be straightened;
what is lacking cannot be counted.
Ecc 1:16 I thought to myself, “Look, I have grown and increased in wisdom more than anyone who has ruled over Jerusalem before me; I have experienced much of wisdom and knowledge.”
Ecc 1:17 Then I applied myself to the understanding of wisdom, and also of madness and folly, but I learned that this, too, is a chasing after the wind.
Ecc 1:18 For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief.

Ecc 2:11 Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done
and what I had toiled to achieve,
everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind;
nothing was gained under the sun.

Ecc 2:24 A man can do nothing better than to eat and drink and find satisfaction in his work. This too, I see, is from the hand of God,
Ecc 2:25 for without him, who can eat or find enjoyment?
Ecc 2:26 To the man who pleases him, God gives wisdom, knowledge and happiness, but to the sinner he gives the task of gathering and storing up wealth to hand it over to the one who pleases God. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

Ecc 12:1 Remember your Creator
in the days of your youth,
before the days of trouble come
and the years approach when you will say,
“I find no pleasure in them”—

Ecc 12:13 Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.

Pr 1:28 “Then they will call to me but I will not answer;
they will look for me but will not find me.
Pr 1:29 Since they hated knowledge
and did not choose to fear the LORD,
Pr 1:30 since they would not accept my advice
and spurned my rebuke,

Pr 1:29 Since they hated knowledge
and did not choose to fear the LORD,
Pr 1:30 since they would not accept my advice
and spurned my rebuke,
Pr 1:31 they will eat the fruit of their ways
and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.
Pr 1:32 For the waywardness of the simple will kill them,
and the complacency of fools will destroy them;
Pr 1:33 but whoever listens to me will live in safety
and be at ease, without fear of harm.”

Pr 2:4 and if you look for it as for silver
and search for it as for hidden treasure,
Pr 2:5 then you will understand the fear of the LORD
and find the knowledge of God.
Pr 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom,
and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.
Pr 2:7 He holds victory in store for the upright,
he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless,
Pr 2:8 for he guards the course of the just
and protects the way of his faithful ones.

Pr 2:9 Then you will understand what is right and just
and fair—every good path.
Pr 2:10 For wisdom will enter your heart,
and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.
Pr 2:11 Discretion will protect you,
and understanding will guard you.

Pierre

[terraricca]

shimmer

this also;;Pr 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
Pr 3:6 in all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make your paths straight.

Pr 3:7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
fear the LORD and shun evil.
Pr 3:8 This will bring health to your body
and nourishment to your bones.

Pr 3:9 Honor the LORD with your wealth,

Pr 3:21 My son, preserve sound judgment and discernment,
do not let them out of your sight;
Pr 3:22 they will be life for you,
an ornament to grace your neck.
Pr 3:23 Then you will go on your way in safety,
and your foot will not stumble;
Pr 3:24 when you lie down, you will not be afraid;
when you lie down, your sleep will be sweet.
Pr 3:25 Have no fear of sudden disaster
or of the ruin that overtakes the wicked,
Pr 3:26 for the LORD will be your confidence
and will keep your foot from being snared.

Pr 3:27 Do not withhold good from those who deserve it,
when it is in your power to act.
Pr 3:28 Do not say to your neighbor,
“Come back later; I’ll give it tomorrow”—
when you now have it with you.

Pr 3:34 He mocks proud mockers
but gives grace to the humble.

Lay hold of my words with all your heart;
keep my commands and you will live.
Pr 4:5 Get wisdom, get understanding;
do not forget my words or swerve from them.
Pr 4:6 Do not forsake wisdom, and she will protect you;
love her, and she will watch over you.
Pr 4:7 Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom.
Though it cost all you have, get understanding.
Pr 4:8 Esteem her, and she will exalt you;
embrace her, and she will honor you.
Pr 4:9 She will set a garland of grace on your head

Ps 40:4 Blessed is the man
who makes the LORD his trust,
who does not look to the proud,
to those who turn aside to false gods.

whoever has haughty eyes and a proud heart,
him will I not endure.

Isa 2:12 The LORD Almighty has a day in store
for all the proud and lofty,
for all that is exalted
(and they will be humbled),

Hos 13:6 When I fed them, they were satisfied;
when they were satisfied, they became proud;
then they forgot me.

1Co 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.

Jas 4:6 But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says:
“God opposes the proud
but gives grace to the humble.”

2Ti 3:2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,

this is somes guidance for your pad in live as a godly person,with faith.

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 18 2010,08:28)

Hi Ed. How do we kill our ego ? Iv asked you that before. haha. Really, how ?

Hi Shimmer,

With the help of “HolySpirit” (God) on the inside! (Eph.4:6)

With men it is impossible, but not with God:
for with God all things are possible. (Mark 10:27)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[shimmer]

Thanks Terrarica. Those are good verses for true guidance that is from above.

We can do things for many reasons. For show. For attention. For gaining friends. Lovers. Anything.

I have found in the past compared to now, that when you do things for God, you become the least among the others. So really, the one who is seen and heard the most and who has the most attention…thats not a good sign. Is it ?

I know this is off the thread topic, but – oh well !

[shimmer]

Ed, the important thing is to only do things for others.

And to obey God….true aye ? And also, your right, with God all things ARE possible !

[Ed J]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 18 2010,08:55)

Shimmer, The 'kill', is figurative…'in a manner of speaking'… Can you 'kill time…while waiting to make a cup of tea because you cannot make the kettle boil any quicker'? Can you 'kill the argument…because it is pointless'? Can you 'kill your desire for that pair of gorgeous must-have boots you saw in the shop window…because you have no money'? So, figuratively, you can 'kill your Ego' ('Ego' here being interpreted in everyday usage, i.e. 'Conceit', proper word should be 'SuperEgo') Can you 'kill the feeling'. Of course, 'feeling' is sloppy usage …incomplete sentence as there is no Subject…the subject is assumed from the connected 'previous sentence' (E.g. Kill the feeling of lust, loneliness, hunger, superiority, paucity, …etc.) So, 'Context, Context, Context'

Hi JustAskin,

Is Gene right about you?

Do you just put your 'ego' on the shelf for a while, only
to bring it back out again later? The 'ego' needs to die. (<a href="http://bible.worthwhile.com/bible.php?b=col&c=3&v=3&d
=3&w=5″ target=”_blank”>Col.3:3)

And it's your Job to kill it!

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2010,09:17)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 17 2010,17:11) Hi Mike, Life, my friend, life!   …Not the dirt! Could the verse be implying that the Father is resident in the animals as well as every else? OH!  I understand now. (1)Well Ed, here's how I see it.  If the Father is resident IN the animals – or even people, then those animals and people would be at least as holy as the ark of the covenant.  But only Levites could touch the ark, and Uzzah was killed by God just for trying to steady it so it didn't fall off the wagon. (2)Wouldn't these birds be holy if God was IN them?  Wouldn't one who touched those birds die? mike

Hi Mike,

1) As I have pointed to Stuart on numerous occasions,
what you reference was written by a scribe of the King,
NOT a Prophet of YHVH(63)! That's like getting truth from
Obama's press secretary. Or from the book of the Macabees.

Necole Tesla sermonized that The Ark(63) acted like a giant capacitor.
Expelling large amounts of electrical type power in a single discharge.

Notice how YHVH(63) explained to the Levitical Priesthood the correct
way of handling “The Ark”(63); using non-conductive wooden staves?

2) Was Not God in Jesus? Did Jesus not die?
    Did those who touched Jesus die?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Proclaimer]

We as humans have a spirit. We also have a carnal body.
Our body will be changed and we will be clothed in a spiritual body.
So our spirit will be housed in a spiritual body.

As it stand now, our spirit is no housed in a spiritual body.

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