Do spirits have bodies?

[bodhitharta]

The fact is anything created takes up space and anything that takes up space has a quantity whether seen or unseen therefore if a spirit is any form of energy it must be a measure of Mass.

Spirit could not simply be intellect if that were so you could not have a circumstance such as:

Daniel 10:12-14

King James Version (KJV)

12Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

13But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Came to help means that the qualitive or quantitive power or measure needed assistance from another Form or Body of capacity.

A body of water is free flowing and yet restricted by the mass(earth) surrounding it.

Toby is right this is important to understand but I don't think he understands it quite right.

Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

(Jesus had a Spiritual form i.e. body)

Philippians 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

(Jesus had been given another form i.e. body)

James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Angels have light bodies which is also why they can change images so quickly just as how we see film
so yes Spirits do have bodies(form)

[mikeboll64]

Asana,

I'm not sure that I agree the bodies of spirit beings are made of light, but good post.

I wish you would have learned from my mistake and asked “Do spirit BEINGS, such as angels, have bodies?”

You'll see why soon enough if Gene comes to this thread.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2012,05:15)

Asana, I'm not sure that I agree the bodies of spirit beings are made of light, but good post.   I wish you would have learned from my mistake and asked “Do spirit BEINGS, such as angels, have bodies?”   You'll see why soon enough if Gene comes to this thread.

2 Corinthians 11

14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light

[shimmer]

Light meaning goodness.

[shimmer]

BTW I was just saying that much, I'm not getting involved in this Topic trust me!

[mikeboll64]

I agree with Shimmer on this one, Asana. Satan, an angel of darkness, can masquerade as an angel of light.

It refers to bad versus good – if you ask me.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2012,11:24)

I agree with Shimmer on this one, Asana.  Satan, an angel of darkness, can masquerade as an angel of light. It refers to bad versus good – if you ask me.

And the jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.
( سورة الحجر , Al-Hijr, Chapter #15, Verse #27)

Satan was actually this kind of creature he was not in fact an Angel at all. Angels cannot be disobedient

Behold! We said to the angels, “Bow down to Adam”: They bowed down except Iblis(Satan). He was one of the jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!
( سورة الكهف , Al-Kahf, Chapter #18, Verse #50)

And He created jinns from fire free of smoke:
( سورة الرحمن , Ar-Rahman, Chapter #55, Verse #15)

Satan and what we call demons or spirits that are not angels are another order of creation.

They also have freedom of choice.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 04 2012,09:09)

Light meaning goodness.

Then why does the Bible call God “The Father of Lights” and the angels His sons?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2012,05:15)

Asana, I'm not sure that I agree the bodies of spirit beings are made of light, but good post.   I wish you would have learned from my mistake and asked “Do spirit BEINGS, such as angels, have bodies?”   You'll see why soon enough if Gene comes to this thread.

Gene simply believes that the term spirit means intellect but if intellect can occupy a body then it is a “FORM” occupying a form such as when we enter our houses, we are the intellect inside the house and yet we still possess a form i.e. body

[mikeboll64]

Okay Asana. When Gene comes around, you can tell him all about it. Because the Lord knows I've tried until I was blue in the face.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 03 2012,18:48)

Satan and what we call demons or spirits that are not angels are another order of creation.

Job 1:6
One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

Satan was one of the angels who was among the group of angels who came to present themselves before Jehovah.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 03 2012,18:48)

Angels cannot be disobedient

Scripture, please?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2012,12:00)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 03 2012,18:48) Satan and what we call demons or spirits that are not angels are another order of creation. Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. Satan was one of the angels who was among the group of angels who came to present themselves before Jehovah. Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 03 2012,18:48) Angels cannot be disobedient Scripture, please?

Notice it says :Job 1:6

One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them

It doesn't say the angel satan came with them it makes a clear distinction

[bodhitharta]

Behold! We said to the angels, “Bow down to Adam”: They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!
( سورة الكهف , Al-Kahf, Chapter #18, Verse #50

[mikeboll64]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 03 2012,19:21)

Notice it says :Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them It doesn't say the angel satan came with them it makes a clear distinction

So if it said, “All the kings came before God, and David came among them”, you would assume that David was not a king?

Why would a “jinn” (whatever that is) be invited to a gathering of angels?

Asana, I don't accept the Quran as scripture. Show me from the Bible, or don't show me at all.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2012,01:13)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 03 2012,19:21) Notice it says :Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them It doesn't say the angel satan came with them it makes a clear distinction So if it said, “All the kings came before God, and David came among them”, you would assume that David was not a king? Why would a “jinn” (whatever that is) be invited to a gathering of angels? Asana, I don't accept the Quran as scripture.  Show me from the Bible, or don't show me at all.

By showing you the Quran I was simply offering you another perspective you really don't expect me to believe you get every perspective completely from the bible do you? If so then talking about spirits having bodies or not has no point because the bible doesn't really have a perspective on it.

However, your sentence example is inadequate

so if it said “All the people came before God and Gabriel also came among them” would you assume Gabriel is a person?

Your belief is that there are People and angels the problem with that limited view is you have no explanation of mischievous spirits angels are not like that

My belief or taught in the Quran is that there are People, Jinns and Angels.

anyway:

Here is proof of Jinns in the Bible:

Leviticus 19:31
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

1 Chronicles 10:13
So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;

I am telling you Mike you are missing out on so much knowledge by ignoring the Quran.

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 05 2012,10:03)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2012,01:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 03 2012,19:21) Notice it says :Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them It doesn't say the angel satan came with them it makes a clear distinction So if it said, “All the kings came before God, and David came among them”, you would assume that David was not a king? Why would a “jinn” (whatever that is) be invited to a gathering of angels? Asana, I don't accept the Quran as scripture.  Show me from the Bible, or don't show me at all. By showing you the Quran I was simply offering you another perspective you really don't expect me to believe you get every perspective completely from the bible do you? If so then talking about spirits having bodies or not has no point because the bible doesn't really have a perspective on it. However, your sentence example is inadequate so if it said “All the people came before God and Gabriel also came among them” would you assume Gabriel is a person? Your belief is that there are People and angels the problem with that limited view is you have no explanation of mischievous spirits angels are not like that My belief or taught in the Quran is that there are People, Jinns and Angels. anyway: Here is proof of Jinns in the Bible: Leviticus 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. 1 Chronicles 10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; I am telling you Mike you are missing out on so much knowledge by ignoring the Quran.

bod

Jinn (Arabic: جن‎ ǧinn, singular جني ǧinnī ; variant spelling djinn) or genies are supernatural creatures in Arab folklore and Islamic mythology that occupy a parallel world to that of mankind. Together, jinn, humans and angels make up the three sentient creations of Allah. Religious sources say barely anything about them; however, the Qur'an mentions that Jinn are made of smokeless flame or “scorching fire”.[1] Like human beings, the Jinn can also be good, evil, or neutrally benevolent.[2]
The jinn are mentioned frequently in the Qur'an, and there is a surah entitled Sūrat al-Jinn in the Qur'an. It is in the 29th chapter of the quran. In many modern cultures, a Genie is portrayed as a magical being that grants wishes. The earliest of such Jinn stories in folklore originate in the book of the One Thousand and One Nights.[3]

       

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However, your sentence example is inadequate so if it said “All the people came before God and Gabriel also came among them” would you assume Gabriel is a person?

there was no people involved in Job quote;        

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My belief or taught in the Quran is that there are People, Jinns and Angels.

I always knew that you are a dreamer,just like Peter Pan the boy who did not want to become a man,

     

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I am telling you Mike you are missing out on so much knowledge by ignoring the Quran.

and so you are preaching for your false doctrine compiled in the Koran,

how can a child of the Koran stand in the face of a man of the true God of the Hebrews ?

HE CAN NOT STAND.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 04 2012,10:03)

However, your sentence example is inadequate so if it said “All the people came before God and Gabriel also came among them” would you assume Gabriel is a person?

Yes. And Gabriel IS a person, is he not?

[terraricca]

bod

The jinn are mentioned frequently in the Qur'an, and there is a surah entitled Sūrat al-Jinn in the Qur'an. It is in the 29th chapter of the quran. In many modern cultures, a Genie is portrayed as a magical being that grants wishes. The earliest of such Jinn stories in folklore originate in the book of the One Thousand and One Nights.[3]

AND THE REASON WHY THE BOOK OF THOSE STORY;S WERE COMPILED WAS BECAUSE THE MASTER WAS KILLING HIS WIVES,

Jinn in the Bible
In Judeo-Christian tradition, the word or concept of jinn as such does not occur in the original Hebrew text of the Bible, but the Arabic word ǧinn is often used in several old Arabic translations.
In several verses in those Arabic translations, the words: Jinn (جن) Jann (الجان al-Ǧān) Majnoon (مجنون Maǧnūn) and ʾIblīs (إبلیس) are mentioned as translations of familiar spirit or אוב (ob) for Jann and the devil or δαιμόνιον (daimónion) for ʾIblīs.
In Van Dyck's Arabic translation of the Bible, these words are mentioned in Leviticus 19:31, Lev 20:6, 1 Samuel 28:3, 1 Sa 28:9, 1 Sa 28:7, 1 Chronicles 10:13, Gospel of Matthew 4:1, Mat 12:22, Gospel of Luke 4:5, Luk 8:12, Gospel of John 8:44 and other verses[citation needed] as well. Also, in the apocryphal book Testament of Solomon, Solomon describes particular demons whom he enslaved to help build the temple, the questions he put to them about their deeds and how they could be thwarted, and their answers, which provide a kind of self-help manual against demonic activity.

SO YOUR CORRUPT KORAN IS JUST A BOOK OF FABLES

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 05 2012,03:58)

and so you are preaching for your false doctrine compiled in the Koran, how can a child of the Koran stand in the face of a man of the true God of the Hebrews ? HE CAN NOT STAND.

The doctrine is sound and here I stand honest before GOD, the God of the spirits of all flesh not just the Hebrews or didn't you know that?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2012,04:15)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 04 2012,10:03) However, your sentence example is inadequate so if it said “All the people came before God and Gabriel also came among them” would you assume Gabriel is a person? Yes.  And Gabriel IS a person, is he not?

What do you consider to be a person I call people Human Beings.

Is a dog a person?

let's see what the word person means:

First definition:

a human being, whether man, woman, or child: Example=The table seats four persons.

There are other definitions but the one I used petains to this most common usage perhaps your view is another definition such as:

Fourth definition:

Philosophy . a self-conscious or rational being.

but the fact is the word really refers to Human beings and not angelss

Etymology

person early 13c., from O.Fr. persone “human being” (12c., Fr. personne), from L. persona “human being,” originally “character in a drama, mask,” possibly borrowed from Etruscan phersu “mask.” This may be related to Gk. Persephone. The use of -person to replace -man in compounds and avoid alleged sexist connotations is first recorded 1971 (in chairperson). In person “by bodily presence” is from 1560s. Person-to-person first recorded 1919, originally of telephone calls.

So no Gabriel is not a person nor is God by definition and this is why the trinity theory gets so convoluted

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