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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 03 2012,19:07) Hi MB,
Is MOST LIKELY good enough for you?
Nick,Yesterday you said:
Quote Hi MB,
It seems likely he is now in the same place as Moses-they met Jesus on the mountainIs “LIKELY” good enough for YOU?
Nick, I have been asking for quite a while now, but here goes again……………..
If you don't have a SCRIPTURAL reason to refute or rebut anything I post here, then keep your arrogant, condescending comments to yourself, please.
Hi MB,
There are some unknowns and we should acknowledge them rather than teaching on the basis of assumed probabilities.So do you acknowledge that you don't really KNOW that Elijah wasn't taken up to God's heaven, and you don't KNOW that he hasn't been dwelling in that place ever since?
Quote (terraricca @ May 03 2012,19:24) Mike the way I understand it is this ;
first the soul that sins must die;this is the rule ;for all men ………..
Is God allowed to make an exception for those like Elijah, who were baptised with His Holy Spirit?Pierre, I've read your understanding, and you are welcome to it. But remember that your understanding doesn't allow for God to have taken Enoch and Elijah up to heaven. And although it isn't specified exactly for Enoch, scripture is quite clear that God DID take Elijah up to heaven.
How do you work around this with your understanding?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 03 2012,19:39) Hi MB,
I have as much info as you have.
Our ideas count for little
Okay then Nick.When I tell someone here MY understanding, and YOU don't have one shred of scriptural evidence to refute that understanding, then you should feel free to tell us how YOU understand it – WITHOUT trying to belittle or discredit MY understanding, okay?
If you can't SCRIPTURALLY prove me wrong, then why do you post things that make it seem like you are so SURE that I AM wrong?
Hi MB,
Perhaps to remind you be accurate and to stay out of speculative teaching?
A higher standard is expected of teachers jas 3.1Nick,
Your comments are often petty, usually mean-spirited and condescending, and almost always beneath a response from me.
If you ever shine some scriptural light on an understanding I post here, I will respond. Until that time, I will ignore all of your posts.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 04 2012,19:39) Quote (terraricca @ May 03 2012,19:24) Mike the way I understand it is this ;
first the soul that sins must die;this is the rule ;for all men ………..
Is God allowed to make an exception for those like Elijah, who were baptised with His Holy Spirit?Pierre, I've read your understanding, and you are welcome to it. But remember that your understanding doesn't allow for God to have taken Enoch and Elijah up to heaven. And although it isn't specified exactly for Enoch, scripture is quite clear that God DID take Elijah up to heaven.
How do you work around this with your understanding?
Mikehow can a man escape the curse of Adam without the sacrifice of Christ
?can you get around that one and all men are born in sin and miss the glory of God ,so like I think it is ;they both die on the way (flesh body but their soul went to God bosom )and waited for the time of resurrection,
this is why Jesus said GOD IS NOT THE GOD OF THE DEAD
and yet Abraham was dead for a long time ;
so has long that your soul as not been judged by God you are not dead ( the soul that is ) but you may not enjoy the place were it is if you are not righteous.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 04 2012,20:55) Hi T,
Good stuff.
What is alive by the Spirit cannot truly die.
Ntrue Nick ,but God will destroy the souls of the wicked.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 04 2012,06:26) Hi MB,
Which heaven?
Nick,Scripture states his definition was heaven?
Do you believe he is in the air or orbits earth?
He was taken to heaven in the presence of the chariot of God.
A whirlwind took him to heaven just like Jesus ascended to heaven, and Enoch was taken by God.
These things are discerned by spiritual man.
To All………….Where it says God is not the God of the Dead. Think about it! a dead person has no God becasue he is “DEAD” God can only be a God of a living person, not a DEAD ONE. Jesus was not meaning Abraham was still alive when he made that statement. Abraham died and is dead and awaits the first resurrection of the dead. There has none risen from the dead to eternal life but JesusHe is the first born from all creation on earth unto eternal life and before his resurrection he was as dead as Abraham , Moses, Elijah, and all the rest who are still waiting a resurrection from the dead. “these (ALL) “DIED” in HOPE not “YET” receiving the “PROMISE” There is none risen to eternal life but Jesus alone. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………………………gene
Quote (kerwin @ May 05 2012,00:45) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 04 2012,06:26) Hi MB,
Which heaven?
Nick,Scripture states his definition was heaven?
Do you believe he is in the air or orbits earth?
He was taken to heaven in the presence of the chariot of God.
A whirlwind took him to heaven just like Jesus ascended to heaven, and Enoch was taken by God.
These things are discerned by spiritual man.
were are the scriptures
Hi KW,
It is only known that he was taken up and not his ultimate destination because there are three heavensQuote (kerwin @ May 05 2012,00:45) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 04 2012,06:26) Hi MB,
Which heaven?
Nick,Scripture states his definition was heaven?
Do you believe he is in the air or orbits earth?
He was taken to heaven in the presence of the chariot of God.
A whirlwind took him to heaven just like Jesus ascended to heaven, and Enoch was taken by God.
These things are discerned by spiritual man.
Kwen you do not make sense you use the master key;
These things are discerned by spiritual man.
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