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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 01 2012,09:27) Hi KW,
How far can men see upwards?
Nick,2 Kings 2
King James Version (KJV)10And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so.
11And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
12And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.A fruitless search conducted in disobedience to the testimony of the witness.
2 Kings 2
King James Version (KJV)17 But they persisted until he was too embarrassed to refuse. So he said, “Send them.” And they sent fifty men, who searched for three days but did not find him. 18 When they returned to Elisha, who was staying in Jericho, he said to them, “Didn’t I tell you not to go?”
Elijah, like Enoch and tomb of Mosses was not found. Elisha bears witness that after Elijah was taken up into heaven in the presence of the chariot of Israel that he would not be found and he was not found even though those of little faith searched. Jesus also was not found after his ascension though his spirit comes and dwells in those that believe; just as a double portion of Elijah’s came to rest on Elisha.
Nick,
Let's say that Elijah went to the third heaven. Is the answer of the thread question still “YES”?
What if he went to the second heaven? Does the answer remain the same?
And if he went to the first? Wouldn't the answer of the thread question still be “YES”?
It seems to me that scripture has solidly defeated your pre-conceived notion, and you are simply being a sore loser about it.
Quote (kerwin @ April 30 2012,21:24) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 01 2012,08:39) Hi MB,
Which heaven is specified?
Nick,Acts 1
King James Version (KJV)11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Which heaven is specified here?
Bravo, Kerwin.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 02 2012,09:45) Quote (kerwin @ April 30 2012,21:24) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 01 2012,08:39) Hi MB,
Which heaven is specified?
Nick,Acts 1
King James Version (KJV)11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Which heaven is specified here?
Bravo, Kerwin.
Kerwin ………Let me paraphrase it for you, you men of Galilee, why stand you gazing up into the “SKY”, this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into the “SKY” shall “so” (in the same way) come in “LIKE” Manner “as” (just the way) you have seen him go into the “SKY”. or HEAVEN . Any way you choose, it is all the same thing HEAVEN is the SKY both are the same. Over all it simple means what is above the earth. There is no “MYSTERY” about it IMO.peace and love to you ………………………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 01 2012,16:46) Hi MB,
So the sky and the universe are all part of your heaven?
Nick,Like I said in the “Moses” thread, it's okay that you disagree with my understanding.
If YOU think it makes sense that God took Elijah up to “sky”, so that he could float around aimlessly forever, then you are welcome to your own understanding.
To me that is just nonsense. And as Kerwin pointed out, if Jesus went to “heaven”, and we know HE is with God, then why would we even assume that Elijah isn't also with God since he also went to “heaven”?
But you are welcome to your own understanding.
I haven't yet seen any other “possibility”, Nick.
Where do YOU suppose Elijah went when he was taken up to “heaven” in a whirlwind?
(Btw, it is YOU who is making the ASSUMPTION that “taken up to heaven” would mean something other than taken up to God's abode. WHY do YOU assume such a thing?)
And so the words, “Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind” are most likely just a misprint in the Bible?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 03 2012,06:40) HI MB,
WOULD YOU PREFER YOUR ASSUMPTION to other possibilities?
Nick,When Scripture states Jesus was taken up to heaven you believe it is to God's abode and yet when Scripture states Elijah was taken to heaven you do not. Why do you use different standards?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 03 2012,19:51) And so the words, “Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind” are most likely just a misprint in the Bible?
MikeElijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind
this would mean he did not exceed the l
be on the clouds right
because this would be the start of the whirlwind and the earth the other end of it right
just like Christ but without whirlwind
Hi KW,
You ask
“When Scripture states Jesus was taken up to heaven you believe it is to God's abode and yet when Scripture states Elijah was taken to heaven you do not. Why do you use different standards? “Dan 8.13
No other men are seen in heaven in Revelation
Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2012,20:51) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 03 2012,06:40) HI MB,
WOULD YOU PREFER YOUR ASSUMPTION to other possibilities?
Nick,When Scripture states Jesus was taken up to heaven you believe it is to God's abode and yet when Scripture states Elijah was taken to heaven you do not. Why do you use different standards?
HEB 11:35 Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release, so that they might obtain a better resurrection;
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