Do men ever go to heaven?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
The Spirit.

[mikeboll64]

Okay.  And if by using “The Spirit” as the glue that holds Job and Rev 2:28 together you still come up with the belief that “angelic sons” are referred to in Job, tell me once again why it is impossible for you to come to the conclusion that Jesus is the brightest “angelic son” in Rev 22:16.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
If the Spirit is the glue then those who are of the Spirit are sons.
But Jesus giving us the Spirit makes us sons but not angels neither does it make him one.

[mikeboll64]

So the “Spirit glue” is able to make other spirit beings in heaven be “angelic sons”, but not Jesus? The “angelic sons” in Job are called “morning stars”, but Jesus being called “the bright morning star” cannot possibly mean he is the brightest “angelic son”?

Okay Nick. If you say so. We're off topic here.

[kerwin]

David

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I'm posting these words again, because I feel most of it is simply ignored.  (Mike, was it this thread that you got these words from?)

Everyone that inherits the kingdom is meek and therefore inherits earth in accordance with God’s promise.  There is no wiggle room there except if you speak of visiting the new heavens.  Men on very rare cases visit the present heavens so it seems reasonable they will visit the new.

Flesh and blood was an idiom for mortal body at the time 1 Corinthians was written and some versions translate it that way.  Basing a tenet on one witness that can be understood in more than one way is high risk behavior.

Paul’s citizenship was in Rome, even though he did not dwell in Rome until the end of Acts.  I have not looked further into the matter.

This is enough to address for now.

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2012,10:25)

So the “Spirit glue” is able to make other spirit beings in heaven be “angelic sons”, but not Jesus?  The “angelic sons” in Job are called “morning stars”, but Jesus being called “the bright morning star” cannot possibly mean he is the brightest “angelic son”? Okay Nick.  If you say so.  We're off topic here.

HI MB,
You ignore Rev 2.28.
Align it too.

[mikeboll64]

No………….. YOU align it with your belief that the morning stars in Job are “angelic sons”. Tell me how THEY can align with 2:28, but Jesus being the brightest angelic son cannot.

Nick, we are off topic here. And it is also clear that you have no scriptural or logical reason at all to claim that “bright morning star” CAN'T POSSIBLY mean Jesus is the brightest of the angelic sons. It is clear that you don't WANT that to be the case, but it is equally clear that you have nothing but PERSONAL reasons to doubt it.

Let it go. I will understand it the way I do, and you can understand it the way you do.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
I will repeat it for you
“Hi,
The sons of God are led by the SPIRIT of God so angelic sons, the MORNING STARS, are too.

Jesus Christ promised to give men the MORNING STAR and he gives them his SPIRIT.

The MORNING STAR is meant to rise in our hearts just as the SPIRIT leads God's sons.

Now the Lord is the SPIRIT and is the MORNING STAR.

Anyone here with SPIRITUAL EYES here not able to decipher the truth? “

[GeneBalthrop]

To All……….It also says this until the day star rises in you hearts The day star is the morning star better knowing as the SUN.

peace and love to you all…………………………………………………….gene

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
Light from the Spirit.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick……….That is true it is indeed the mental light from the Spirit, that Peter was comparing to the Day Star that rises and gives light to the earth, the Spirits of GOD  rising in our Hearts enlightening our minds.

peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………….gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,19:40)

The sons of God are led by the SPIRIT of God so angelic sons, the MORNING STARS, are too. Now the Lord is the SPIRIT and is the MORNING STAR.

So all of the MORNING STARS merged together with Jesus and the Spirit and became just ONE MORNING STAR?

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2012,08:48)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,19:40) The sons of God are led by the SPIRIT of God so angelic sons, the MORNING STARS, are too. Now the Lord is the SPIRIT and is the MORNING STAR. So all of the MORNING STARS merged together with Jesus and the Spirit and became just ONE MORNING STAR?

Mike

the morning STARS = 144K

THE morning STAR = CHRIST

all who receive the gift of being called to be brothers of Christ have the morning star in their hearts ,and live by it ,this means live by Christ ,

but the morning is not yet there ,and the stars are not yet complete in numbers ,if it would be or may be it is the end of this age his calculated and is found short

[NickHassan]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 22 2012,01:43)

Nick……….That is truem it is indeed the mental light from the Spirit, that Peter was comparing to the Day Star that rises and gives light to the earth, the Spirits of GOD  rising in our Hearts enlightening our minds. peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………….gene

Hi GB,
The Spirit is one
1Cor 12.Eph 4

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Your carnal view must be torture to you.

No.
Those who are of the Spirit are morning stars.

[mikeboll64]

And Jesus is the brightest of them all, right?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
God gave him the Spirit without measure.
He became as light on the mountain.

[mikeboll64]

And he is the brightest “angelic son by Spirit”, right?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
He is no more an angelic son that we are when we are born of that Spirit.
Are you an angel?

[mikeboll64]

But you said the “morning stars” in Job were “angelic sons”, did you not?

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