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- October 22, 2023 at 6:57 am#945381NickParticipant
The Millenium is a time of restoration. With Satan taken out of the equation and King Jesus ruling with his brothers peace reigns and order returns to the earth as in Eden.
Then Satan is released again to give men their final opportunity to choose.The final white throne Judgement occurs after Satan, the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire.
October 22, 2023 at 7:01 am#945382BereanParticipantThe Millenium is a time of restoration. With Satan taken out of the equation and King Jesus ruling with his brothers peace reigns and order returns to the earth as in Eden.
Me
Nothing biblical….
October 22, 2023 at 7:27 am#945383NickParticipantIs Rev 20 not in your Bible Berean?
October 22, 2023 at 8:08 am#945384BereanParticipantIt’s you who’s dreaming
I brought you to Rev.20
You are constantly running away…
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October 22, 2023 at 9:19 am#945385NickParticipantSo when some sit on thrones and are given judgement as kings with Jesus why do confuse this with the final judgement?
October 22, 2023 at 9:24 am#945386BereanParticipantNick, This is not the final judgment.
The final judgment comes AFTER (Rev.20 v.11-15)October 22, 2023 at 9:32 am#945387NickParticipantHi Berean,
â God does not save people against their willâ
âLord when did we see you a stranger, and invite you in, or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick, or in prison,and come to you?
your Bible seems to lack a few pages.
October 22, 2023 at 9:37 am#945388NickParticipantYes Berean,
The final judgement FOLLOWS the Millenium.
â The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1000 years were completed. Rev 20
October 22, 2023 at 9:22 pm#945389carmelParticipantHi Berean,
You: Here is the Daily Devotional
Me: My interest is always FOR TRUTH!
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all things to myself.
John17:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine;
and I AM GLORIFIED IN THEM.
Colossians 1:16For in him were all things created in HEAVEN AND EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him. 17And he is before all, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he may hold the primacy: 19Because in him, it hath well pleased the Father, that ALL FULNESS SHOULD DWELL; 20And through him to reconcile all things unto himself, making peace through the blood of his cross, both as to the things THAT ARE ON EARTH, AND THE THINGS THAT ARE IN HEAVEN.
Philippians 2:10 For which cause God also hath exalted him, and hath given him a name which is above all names:
10 That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth:
11And that every tongue should confess that
the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father.
You: For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[15] Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,Ephesians 3:14One family in CHRIST
In the above, it clearly says:
“THE” Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Now tell me please:
When we read all Ephesians in the version hereunder, IN VERSE 19, it ends
19: To know also the charity of CHRIST,
which surpasseth all knowledge,
that you may be filled unto all the FULNESS of God.
Now to my question, answer please:
WITHIN YOUR UNDERSTANDING,
TO WHOM ALL EPHISIANS 3 IS DIRECTED?
TO GOD THE FATHER ? EXPLAIN PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF TRUTH!
TO CHRIST JESUS? EXPLAIN PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF TRUTH!
Ephesians 3:1For this cause, I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ, for you Gentiles; 2If yet you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me towards you: 3How that, according to revelation, the mystery has been made known to me, as I have written above in a few words; 4As you reading, may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ, 5Which in other generations was not known to the sons of men, as it is now revealed to his holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit: 6That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and co-partners of his promise in Christ Jesus, by the gospel: 7Of which I am made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God, which is given to me according to the operation of his power: 8To me, the least of all the saints, is given this grace, to preach among the Gentiles, the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9And to enlighten all men, that they may see what is the dispensation of the mystery which hath been hidden from eternity in God, who created all things: 10That the manifold wisdom of God may be made known to the principalities and powers in heavenly places through the church, 11According to the eternal purpose, which he made, in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. 13Wherefore I pray you not to faint at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.14 For this cause I bow my knees to
THE FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15Of whom all PATERNITY in heaven and earth is named, 16That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened by his Spirit with might unto the inward man, 17That Christ may dwell by faith in your hearts; that being rooted and founded in charity, 18You may be able to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth, and length, and height, and depth: 19To know also the charity of Christ, which surpasseth all knowledge, that you may be filled unto all the fulness of God. 20Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, 21Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
Peace and love in CHRISTÂ JESUS
October 23, 2023 at 2:46 am#945390GeneBalthropParticipantBereanâŠâŠThe final judgement takes place at the end of the thousand year reign of Jesus and the Saintâs, when God the Father himself returns to this earth, after Satan is recaptured and goes to perdition in the lake of fire.  The “books will be opened”, and everyone except Jesus and the Saintâs shall be judged out what is written in the books.  This is clearly written in the book of Revelations.  Jesus and the Saintâs do not give “final judgement” to anyone, that is done by God the Father himself, after his return at the end of the thousand year rule of Jesus and the Saintâs. Â
The final judgement does not take place until GOD THE FATHER. RETURNS TO THIS EARTH, AT THE END OF THE THOUSAND YEAR REIGN OF JESUS AND THE SAINTââS.
That is “clearly shown” , in the book of Revelations .If your mind was not so controlled by the false church you are in , you would easily understand that.
Peace and love to you and your BereanâŠâŠâŠ.gene
October 23, 2023 at 6:10 am#945391BereanParticipantYou
The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1000 years were completed. Rev 20
Me
But NOT FOR eternel LIFE…..
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And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.đ
October 23, 2023 at 8:21 am#945392BereanParticipantGene
This is what I told Nick:
“This is not the final judgment. (the 1000 years)
The final judgment comes AFTER the 1000 (Rev.20 v.11-15)What is interesting to know is why a judgment for a millennium THEN A FINAL JUDGMENT BY GOD THE FATHER?
What is interesting to know is why a judgment for a millennium THEN A FINAL JUDGMENT BY GOD THE FATHER?
So Gene, it’s up to you to explain
I have my idea on that, but tell us why a judgment during the millennium? Itâs a thousand years long.đ
October 23, 2023 at 8:46 am#945393NickParticipantHi Berean,
Appointed kings have judgements to make, as with Solomon and the disputed baby.
October 23, 2023 at 9:07 am#945394BereanParticipantHi Carmel
You
Now to my question, answer please:
WITHIN YOUR UNDERSTANDING,
TO WHOM ALL EPHISIANS 3 IS DIRECTED?
TO GOD THE FATHER ? EXPLAIN PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF TRUTH!
TO CHRIST JESUS? EXPLAIN PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF TRUTH!Â
Me
I don’t really understand your question, can you rephrase it if possible?
and tell me what you are asking me these questions about?
THANKSđ
October 23, 2023 at 7:39 pm#945395carmelParticipantHi Berean,
You: Hi Carmel
ME: Now to my question, answer please:
WITHIN YOUR UNDERSTANDING,
TO WHOM ALL EPHISIANS 3 IS DIRECTED?
TO GOD THE FATHER? EXPLAIN PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF TRUTH!
TO CHRIST JESUS? EXPLAIN PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF TRUTH!Â
You:
I donât really understand your question, can you rephrase it if possible?
and tell me what you are asking me these questions about?THANKS
Read again what you said in order to be aware of what I mean with my question:
You: For this cause I BOW MY KNEES unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[15] Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is NAMED,Ephesians 3:14 One family in CHRIST
I am only posting again, one scripture from what I posted in my post, just to guide you on what I actually mean! Reflect please on the parallel of the block capital words, OF BOTH SCRIPTURES:
Philippians 2:10Â For which cause God also hath exalted him,
and hath given him a NAME which is above all names:
10 That in the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW,
of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth:
11And that every tongue should confess that
the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father.
Now I asked you that
When you read ALL Ephesians 3, IT IS DIRECTED TO
EITHER TO GOD THE FATHER OR TO
CHRIST JESUS! NO?
My question again:
ARE YOU THEN, IN A POSITION TO DETERMINE TO WHOM EPHESIANS 3 IS REFERRING? AND IF YOU ARE, DO SO ANDÂ EXPLAIN Please.
I mean to
GOD THE FATHER? or to
CHRIST JESUS?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
October 24, 2023 at 3:04 am#945396GeneBalthropParticipantBerean I answered you post  already,  here it is againâŠâŠ..>.
Berean, you askâŠâŠ..>What do you expect from the Millennium?
Reign with Christ for a thousand years,For what?
BereanâŠâŠ..The thousand year reign of Jesus and the Saintâs is to prove a, âvery simpleâ  but, âvery important pointâ.
This point isâŠâŠ.That no matter how perfect and righteous a government is and no evil deception exists in it,  even for a thousand years,  those ruled by it cannot cannot attain to the righteousness of God,  Jesus and the Saintâs were the only ones who were not deceived when,  after the thousand year rule of them was over, all the rest of humanity became deceived, when
Satan was released back into this earth again, why?
Why would so many, as the sands of the sea, follow Satan when he is released from the bottomless pit, he was in? Â Why bottomless, because there is no end of evil, it exists, will exist forever, Â Therefore God himself must keep us from evil, by his Holy Spirit dwelling in us.
If the Spirit of God the Father doesnât remain âINâ us, we like those in the thousand year reign of Jesus and the Saintâs, will turn unto what ever is influencing us the most. Â Just like those do who exist at the end of the Millennial reign of Jesus and the Saintâs .
Whatâs the point? âYOU ASKâ, Â Â The “whole”point of the Millennial is just that, “it proves that”, without the Spirit of God the Father “DWELLING, “IN” us, we would all fail, Â even Jesus would have failed also without the Spirit of the LIVING GOD “IN” Â HIM, and the exact same thing applies to us all, âthat God may be âIN ALLâ and through âALLâ. Â THAT IS THE “ONLY” WAY , “TRUE RIGHTEOUSNESS”, can exist, Â “FOREVER”, IN US “ALL”.
The millennial reign of Jesus and the Saintâs proves that Simple point,  but  very important point.
peace and love to you and yours BereanâŠâŠâŠ.gene
October 24, 2023 at 3:48 am#945397BereanParticipantGene
Sorry Gene You don’t answerthe question !
I ask my question again:
What is the purpose of the millennium during which there is a judgment which will be followed by the last judgment?Doesn’t God know everything that He needs Christ and the saints to judge the world, the angels, the twelve tribes of Israel for 1000 years and in the end God gives wages to the lost in the lakes of fire.? ???
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October 24, 2023 at 4:02 am#945398BereanParticipantHi Carmel
Paul in his epistle to the Ephesians addresses the Ephesians first, but secondly to all Christians.
Paul addresses neither the Father nor the Son.
But he prays to the Father.
I still don’t see the purpose of your posts…
Try to be simpler.
THANKSđ
October 24, 2023 at 8:38 am#945399NickParticipantHi Berean,
Do CHRISTIANS define themselves?
God knows those who are His.
Life is in the Son.
Those who have the Son have the life.
Those who do not have the Son do not have the Life.
Be reborn into the Son by water and the Spirit.
October 25, 2023 at 2:56 am#945400GeneBalthropParticipantBerean you are not reading my posts to you, the last post I wrote to you explains exactly what you ask, it explains why there is a millennial reign and the reason for it. Â Â The purpose of the millennial reign is to demonstrate to everyone , Â that without the Spirit of God “IN” A PERSON, THEY “CAN NOT” maintain righteousness even if they were ruled in righteousness for a thousand years, without the influence of evil .
It “PROVES” Â that point , no one is shown to have been saved at the end of that time period, but it shows that even in a perfect world, everyone who did not have the Spirit of God “IN” them to keep them, fell away an followed Satan and the influence of his Evil, at the end of the thousand year rule of Jesus and the Saintâs. Â You would think after a thousand years of perfect rule and a world without Evil , there would be some who would not fall away, but there werenât, at least non are mentioned, Â they only ones who didnât fall away was Jesus and the Saintâs who had the Spirit of God in them, at the very the beginning of that period.
As I said the millennium proves a simple point , but a hugely important one.  That is the reason for the thousand year reign of Jesus and the Saintâs .
Now please donât say I have not answered your question, I have for three times now.
peace and love to you and yours BereanâŠâŠâŠ..gene
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