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To All…………Notice ” The (REDEMPTION) of our “BODIES”, Jesus the Man had to recieve the Redemption of HIS BODY ALSO> Or he would have never lived again. This is called the RESURRECTION, Jesus was raised with a flesh body Just as we will be also. And it say the WHOLE CREATION will be delivered, from the bondage of Corruption and that Includes all animals as well a Humans and it also included Jesus to. God did not leave His (Jesus) body in the grave to see corruption, as ours does. He raised his body up and put his spirit back into it Just as what has to happen to us in order for us to live again after we die , the same thing that happened to Jesus must happen to us or we will never exist again nor would Jesus Had God left Him in the Grave to.
peace and love………………………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 12 2010,08:30) What? 
In English, please. 
Love to you brother D,
mike
Sorry,Im asking you to clarify.
1)What do you mean?
You mentioned that the Rocks, and Stars are not included within the text that is being discussed. correct?2)What makes you think that?
3)And how do you know it only refers to Mankind?
4) Genesis says that the rest of creation also was “cursed” in a way right? could this be inlcuded within the suffering of creation mention here?
5) And if you think the world/animals/Sea/rocks/stars are not included than why does it have to be destroyed in Revelations and when God made a new heaven and a new earth?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 12 2010,08:56) To All…………Notice ” The (REDEMPTION) of our “BODIES”, Jesus the Man had to recieve the Redemption of HIS BODY ALSO> Or he would have never lived again. This is called the RESURRECTION, Jesus was raised with a flesh body Just as we will be also. And it say the WHOLE CREATION will be delivered, from the bondage of Corruption and that Includes all animals as well a Humans and it also included Jesus to. God did not leave His (Jesus) body in the grave to see corruption, as ours does. He raised his body up and put his spirit back into it Just as what has to happen to us in order for us to live again after we die , the same thing that happened to Jesus must happen to us or we will never exist again nor would Jesus Had God left Him in the Grave to. peace and love………………………….gene
Gene,
I have to direct questions for you?1) Do you believe that the text that is being referred here INCLUDES Jesus?
2) The biblical scripture to support your Claim.
Please show where it says this in scripture.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 12 2010,17:40) Sorry, And if you think the world/animals/Sea/rocks/stars are not included than why does it have to be destroyed in Revelations and when God made a new heaven and a new earth?
Hi SF,The only thing that gets destroyed is the rudiments(also called elements)!
2Peter 3:10 But “the day of the Lord” will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth
also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.Elements: Greek #4747 στοιχεῖον (stoicheion) stoy-khi'-on:
the elements of knowledge , principally: Rudiments.
What gets 'burned up' is the 'rudiments'! (2Peter 3:10)
Rudiments: an arrangement unable to perform it's normal function,
a fundamental skill, something uniformed. (Gen.2:17)Luke 21:34-35 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with
[pain], and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.Eccl.9:12 For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net,
and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men
snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them.Luke 21:36: Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may
be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall
come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.Ed J (Daniel 11:18 / Luke 18:7-8)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgRevelation 21
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.2 Peter 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also (*1) and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
*1- At that point, Peter Included that the earth will pass away and ends with the word AND ALSO the works that happen in the Earth.1. heaven and elements
2. Earth and Worksthinks about what its saying. So the Heaven will pass and the elements the knowledge will also pass,
and the Earth will pass and also the works.
so in other words the heaven and earth willl pass and so will knowlege and works.Hi SF,
Are you trying to discount this verse?
Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 12 2010,20:02) Hi SF, Are you trying to discount this verse?
Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Are You? because i have already proven my point.
There will be a new earth.
So in a since there will always be a earth.Im just posting scripture, if you dont want to believe it thats your problem
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 12 2010,14:56) Jesus was raised with a flesh body Just as we will be also.
Hi Gene,Here are some excerpts from 1 Cor 15 NIV
35But someone may ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?”40There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;
44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
46The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.
49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God
I think you spoke unscripturally here Gene. Did you get the pre-existence referrence?
peace and love,
mikeHey there D-linquent,
Let's forget the rocks and stars for a moment. Do YOU think this scripture refers to the angels and the 4 creatures who worship before Jehovah night and day?
mike
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,04:57) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 12 2010,20:02) Hi SF, Are you trying to discount this verse?
Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Are You? because i have already proven my point.
There will be a new earth.
So in a since there will always be a earth.Im just posting scripture, if you dont want to believe it thats your problem
Hi SF,If you don't want to understand
what Scripture is saying, it's not my problem!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,06:13) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,04:57) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 12 2010,20:02) Hi SF, Are you trying to discount this verse?
Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Are You? because i have already proven my point.
There will be a new earth.
So in a since there will always be a earth.Im just posting scripture, if you dont want to believe it thats your problem
Hi SF,If you don't want to understand
what Scripture is saying, it's not my problem!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
What the heck?
Lol Ed J, I made a point,
The first earth and heavens WILL pass away.If you dont want to believe that than its not my problem.
Im done argueing with you because your not making any sense.
You just want to refute a point, and than say that im trying to disprove another scripture.
Look either believe or dont believe it doenst matter.
Fact is, Earth and heaven will pass away.
Period.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,22:05) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,06:13) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,04:57) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 12 2010,20:02) Hi SF, Are you trying to discount this verse?
Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Are You? because i have already proven my point.
There will be a new earth.
So in a since there will always be a earth.Im just posting scripture, if you dont want to believe it thats your problem
Hi SF,If you don't want to understand
what Scripture is saying, it's not my problem!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
What the heck?
Lol Ed J, I made a point,
The first earth and heavens WILL pass away.If you dont want to believe that than its not my problem.
Im done argueing with you because your not making any sense.
You just want to refute a point, and than say that im trying to disprove another scripture.
Look either believe or dont believe it doenst matter.
Fact is, Earth and heaven will pass away.
Period.
SFi think edj is right on this one ;;Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
The New Jerusalem
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea
you see the earth is cleanup and so is the heaven,so no more wicket men,and Satan and compagny are all in the lake of fire,
and only the people who are written in the book of live of the Lamb and God
Ps 69:28 May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.Phil 4:3 Yes, and I ask you, loyal yokefellow, help these women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Rev 3:5 He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
Rev 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
Rev 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what isPierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 13 2010,09:25) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,22:05) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,06:13) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,04:57) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 12 2010,20:02) Hi SF, Are you trying to discount this verse?
Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Are You? because i have already proven my point.
There will be a new earth.
So in a since there will always be a earth.Im just posting scripture, if you dont want to believe it thats your problem
Hi SF,If you don't want to understand
what Scripture is saying, it's not my problem!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
What the heck?
Lol Ed J, I made a point,
The first earth and heavens WILL pass away.If you dont want to believe that than its not my problem.
Im done argueing with you because your not making any sense.
You just want to refute a point, and than say that im trying to disprove another scripture.
Look either believe or dont believe it doenst matter.
Fact is, Earth and heaven will pass away.
Period.
SFi think edj is right on this one ;;Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
The New Jerusalem
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea
you see the earth is cleanup and so is the heaven,so no more wicket men,and Satan and compagny are all in the lake of fire,
and only the people who are written in the book of live of the Lamb and God
Ps 69:28 May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.Phil 4:3 Yes, and I ask you, loyal yokefellow, help these women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Rev 3:5 He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
Rev 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
Rev 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what isPierre
Terrarica,The scripture is clear that it will pass away. It doesnt say how or how exactly that will be done.
I just believe what it simply states.
Under the interpretation of 2 Peter and Revelations it clearly says they will pass away.
Its very simple understanding,
The same way we yearn for the redemption of our bodies its the same view on the Earth and Heaven.When God says NEW, its because its NEW.
Im not going to get into it. ITs very simple.
I find it pointless and a waste of time to discuss this point,
i have alot of posts to respond too.To all,
All of creation is under the wrath of God and so currently it is in pain. The pain it suffers is not for nothing as it brings those that sincerely desire to be righteous as God is righteous to him. Scripture tells us that Jesus too went through great pain for us. It is those true believers who are becoming aliens to this creation that is under God's wrath.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,22:36) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 13 2010,09:25) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,22:05) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,06:13) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,04:57) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 12 2010,20:02) Hi SF, Are you trying to discount this verse?
Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Are You? because i have already proven my point.
There will be a new earth.
So in a since there will always be a earth.Im just posting scripture, if you dont want to believe it thats your problem
Hi SF,If you don't want to understand
what Scripture is saying, it's not my problem!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
What the heck?
Lol Ed J, I made a point,
The first earth and heavens WILL pass away.If you dont want to believe that than its not my problem.
Im done argueing with you because your not making any sense.
You just want to refute a point, and than say that im trying to disprove another scripture.
Look either believe or dont believe it doenst matter.
Fact is, Earth and heaven will pass away.
Period.
SFi think edj is right on this one ;;Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
The New Jerusalem
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea
you see the earth is cleanup and so is the heaven,so no more wicket men,and Satan and compagny are all in the lake of fire,
and only the people who are written in the book of live of the Lamb and God
Ps 69:28 May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.Phil 4:3 Yes, and I ask you, loyal yokefellow, help these women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Rev 3:5 He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
Rev 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
Rev 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what isPierre
Terrarica,The scripture is clear that it will pass away. It doesnt say how or how exactly that will be done.
I just believe what it simply states.
Under the interpretation of 2 Peter and Revelations it clearly says they will pass away.
Its very simple understanding,
The same way we yearn for the redemption of our bodies its the same view on the Earth and Heaven.When God says NEW, its because its NEW.
Im not going to get into it. ITs very simple.
I find it pointless and a waste of time to discuss this point,
i have alot of posts to respond too.
SFit is not the planet who past away it is the people and there works and as well the corrupt angels.demons ect
there is nothing wrong with the solar system,
just as in the time of the flood, men was corrupt ,but at that time God did not destroyed the angels,because is plan was not complete.Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 13 2010,15:25) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,22:05) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,06:13) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,04:57) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 12 2010,20:02) Hi SF, Are you trying to discount this verse?
Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Are You? because i have already proven my point.
There will be a new earth.
So in a since there will always be a earth.Im just posting scripture, if you dont want to believe it thats your problem
Hi SF,If you don't want to understand
what Scripture is saying, it's not my problem!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
What the heck?
Lol Ed J, I made a point,
The first earth and heavens WILL pass away.If you dont want to believe that than its not my problem.
Im done argueing with you because your not making any sense.
You just want to refute a point, and than say that im trying to disprove another scripture.
Look either believe or dont believe it doenst matter.
Fact is, Earth and heaven will pass away.
Period.
SFi think edj is right on this one ;;Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
The New Jerusalem
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea
you see the earth is cleanup and so is the heaven,so no more wicket men,and Satan and compagny are all in the lake of fire,
and only the people who are written in the book of live of the Lamb and God
Ps 69:28 May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.Phil 4:3 Yes, and I ask you, loyal yokefellow, help these women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Rev 3:5 He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
Rev 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
Rev 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what isPierre
Hi Terraricca,There's a lot of false doctrines out there!
Terraricca, I knew I could count on you!For SF's sake, here is how the word “New” is defined in both Rev.12:1 and 2 Peter 3:13
Greek #2537 καινός (kainos) kähē-nôs': new (freshness ith respect to age), youthful, fresh, regenerate:-new, young[καινός] should have been translated as “renewed” like [ἀνακαινόω] from 303 and 2537
Greek #341 ἀνακαινόω (anakainoó) ăn-äk-ähē-nô'-ō: to rejuvenate:-renew2Cor.4:16 For which cause we faint not;
but though our outward man perish,
yet the inward man is renewed day by day.[καινός] is also used in Rom.6:4 and Rom.7:6 as well…
Rom.6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father,
even so we also should walk in newness(καινός) of life.Rom.7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;
that we should serve in newness(καινός) of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Oct. 13 2010,16:11) SF it is not the planet who past away it is the people and there works and as well the corrupt angels.demons ect
there is nothing wrong with the solar system,
just as in the time of the flood, men was corrupt ,but at that time God did not destroyed the angels,because is plan was not complete.Pierre
Hi Terraricca,All any of can do is to expose the truth (as in planting the seed),
it's God's job to make them believe!
NOT OURS!Your brother in
Christ, Jesus!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Oct. 13 2010,10:11) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,22:36) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 13 2010,09:25) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,22:05) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,06:13) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 13 2010,04:57) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 12 2010,20:02) Hi SF, Are you trying to discount this verse?
Eccl:1:4: One generation passeth away, and another
generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Are You? because i have already proven my point.
There will be a new earth.
So in a since there will always be a earth.Im just posting scripture, if you dont want to believe it thats your problem
Hi SF,If you don't want to understand
what Scripture is saying, it's not my problem!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
What the heck?
Lol Ed J, I made a point,
The first earth and heavens WILL pass away.If you dont want to believe that than its not my problem.
Im done argueing with you because your not making any sense.
You just want to refute a point, and than say that im trying to disprove another scripture.
Look either believe or dont believe it doenst matter.
Fact is, Earth and heaven will pass away.
Period.
SFi think edj is right on this one ;;Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
The New Jerusalem
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea
you see the earth is cleanup and so is the heaven,so no more wicket men,and Satan and compagny are all in the lake of fire,
and only the people who are written in the book of live of the Lamb and God
Ps 69:28 May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.Phil 4:3 Yes, and I ask you, loyal yokefellow, help these women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Rev 3:5 He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
Rev 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
Rev 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what isPierre
Terrarica,The scripture is clear that it will pass away. It doesnt say how or how exactly that will be done.
I just believe what it simply states.
Under the interpretation of 2 Peter and Revelations it clearly says they will pass away.
Its very simple understanding,
The same way we yearn for the redemption of our bodies its the same view on the Earth and Heaven.When God says NEW, its because its NEW.
Im not going to get into it. ITs very simple.
I find it pointless and a waste of time to discuss this point,
i have alot of posts to respond too.
SFit is not the planet who past away it is the people and there works and as well the corrupt angels.demons ect
there is nothing wrong with the solar system,
just as in the time of the flood, men was corrupt ,but at that time God did not destroyed the angels,because is plan was not complete.Pierre
I agree that the peoples work and angels and demons will pass away,
but this INCLUDES the earth.The very first post talks about creation groaning togethor.
how do you know that there is nothing wrong with the solar system? or with planet earth? is this biblical?
Didnt genesis say the earth was cursed? that plants had thistles?
that we had to work? and what utter destruction did the flood bring to the world?
ANYWAYS this is getting OFF topic,
Point is that The same way their our bodies will be redeemed, so will the heaven and earth as well will have a perfect state.Why? i have no idea, how? im clueless, ask God why he stated that.
Get back to the topic, is Jesus included within this conditions
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,10:23) Hi Terraricca, There's a lot of false doctrines out there!
Terraricca, I knew I could count on you!For SF's sake, here is how the word “New” is defined in both Rev.12:1 and 2 Peter 3:13
Greek #2537 καινός (kainos) kähē-nôs': new (freshness ith respect to age), youthful, fresh, regenerate:-new, young[καινός] should have been translated as “renewed” like [ἀνακαινόω] from 303 and 2537
Greek #341 ἀνακαινόω (anakainoó) ăn-äk-ähē-nô'-ō: to rejuvenate:-renew2Cor.4:16 For which cause we faint not;
but though our outward man perish,
yet the inward man is renewed day by day.[καινός] is also used in Rom.6:4 and Rom.7:6 as well…
Rom.6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father,
even so we also should walk in newness(καινός) of life.Rom.7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;
that we should serve in newness(καινός) of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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Ed J,
Do you really want to go down this road with me?
sometimes for real you can be so blind and stubborn,
We agreed already, You just dont see it.What did i say Ed J?
did i not say that the earth will be changed the same way our bodies will be changed into a better glorious state.
the scripture is very clear that the first earth and the first heaven will pass away,
just like the old flesh, the old man, will pass away,the same way that when the perfect comes everythign that is partial and imperfect will be done away,
My goodness can you stop being so hard headed and stop argueing over POINTLESS things taht we already agree on.
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