Crackpottery

[journey42]

Can we also add to the false doctrines list;

– Jesus and his saints are ruling now and have taken over all the kingdoms of the earth.

– Jesus has already returned, so no need to look out for him.

– We are born again already and now walking in the spirit, so we can never die.

– Everything written in the OT is past, history.

– There are no jewish fables or false doctrines existing today.

– The mark of the beast is spiritual, and not physical, so no need to worry, it doesn't concern us.  Just go with the flow.

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 30 2012,13:23)

I think you got no. 6 wrong. shld be 6) The AKJV has English gematria which proves that this version is the true one. Isn't that the American King James Verse? It's slightly different again from the KJV.  The Americans decided it was better.

Hi Georgie, Perhaps our views are NOT so different after all.  

The “Textus Receptus” is the “Authorized Greek Scriptures”!

The “Masoretic Text” is the “Authorized Hebrew Scriptures”!

The “AKJV Bible” is the “Authorized English Scriptures”!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 30 2012,13:23)

Isn't that the American King James Verse? It's slightly different again from the KJV.  The Americans decided it was better.

No, “AKJV” stands for the “Authorized King James Version”

[david]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 30 2012,11:32)

Quote (david @ Nov. 30 2012,12:03) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 29 2012,09:42) Quote (david @ Nov. 29 2012,11:34) Add: all mental illness is actually demons at work I don't know who says that, but certainly it is foolish to deny that much of it could well have a demonic root. What we see about Jesus ministry demonstrates this. So you believe, t8, that mental illness can exist without any connection to demons? If so, we can take this one off the list. Do you believe this? Yes I think that there could be an abnormality in the brain that could lead to some things. But a sick mind inside a healthy brain would have to be influenced.

Hi t8

What do you mean by an “abnormality”? Like a physical defect? Like they got hit on the head?

t8, I'm not sure what you mean by “healthy brain.”

Guess what? If you take a child and beat it every day, it will cause physical changes in the brain. The child will have an increased chance of suicide, depression, learning disabilities, cancer, earlier death, anxiety disorder, multiple sexual partners, drug use, alcohol abuse, memory problems, etc

This has been measured in HUNDREDS of studies.

MY QUESTION:

The child that was hit growing up, is their brain “healthy”?

Also, when a person has an increased chance of all these things from being traumatized as a child, is it because a demon is influencing the person, or is it rather because their BRAIN was affected greatly by the things the person experienced?

[kerwin]

T8,

I consider the teachings I have tested and discarded as flawed to be crackpot teaching.  I assume others are of the same position so it seems vanity to bring it up unless it adds Wisdom to the conversation.

I already pointed out Scripture declares that Jesus is a human being of flesh and bone who was miraculously conceived in Mary, then born 9 months later, circumcised as a neonatal, visited the temple at 12 years of age, grew in both wisdom and statue, started his ministry about 30 years old, sacrificed himself for us while under 50.

These things I believe and not those things that disagree with them.  Anything that disagree with them is crack-pottery.

I have also read more on this thread that sounds like it comes from those who do not understand that Jehovah has authority over all things in heaven in on earth and nothing happens that he does not suffer to happen, allow to happen, or even initiate.  Jehovah does not do evil but Satan does and Jehovah suffers it to be done.  In general if a child has a deformity, Satan did it for his purposes and Jehovah suffers it to be for his.  

Any mental illness, whether physical or not, is caused by a demon because mental illness only exists because Satan is the God of this World.  There is a case of demon possession in Scripture with the symptoms of epilepsy in Scripture.  

In short those that teach that both Satan and Jehovah are not active in this World are teachers of crack-pottery.

[terraricca]

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MY QUESTION: The child that was hit growing up, is their brain “healthy”? Also, when a person has an increased chance of all these things from being traumatized as a child, is it because a demon is influencing the person, or is it rather because their BRAIN was affected greatly by the things the person experienced?

I have a better question to you ;; why is it that your description happen in the first place ?

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 30 2012,07:18)

Thanks for your crackpottery input Gene.

T8……… You welcome, Thought i might add a list to oppose  your Crackpottery stuff T8.

peace and love…………………………………gene

[seekingtruth]

Crackpottery is defined as “what others believe when they don't agree with me”

[Ed J]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 01 2012,04:35)

Crackpottery is defined as “what others believe when they don't agree with me”

Bingo, you got it brother!

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 01 2012,04:35)

Crack pottery is defined as “what others believe when they don't agree with me”

Seekingtruth………..Actually Crack-pottery means that which is to be discarded as unless but you are right hear it mean something That some disagree with so they define is as cracked pottery brother.  

peace and lvoe to you and yours brother……………………gene

[mikeboll64]

journey,
Excellent additions to the original list!  I thought I was the only one who felt this way about “born again”.

Kerwin,
I agree with all you stated in your post.  I just don't understand how Jesus pre-existing changes one letter of what you stated.

Pierre,
Excellent question to David, ie:  Who is working in those PARENT'S minds/souls so that they would abuse a child so severely in the first place?

Wm,
Spot on!  

t8,
Why are you copy-catting my “Bizzaro World” thread?  

[seekingtruth]

To All,
Well seems most agree that there are “crackpot” ideas out there. I made the point that we assign them to others, since from our perspective (our understanding of scriptures, etc.) we are fit to judge what is actual truth. But I would declare that most of us have changed our positions on what's true over the years, most would say that they have moved away from “crackpot” ideas towards more truth. So do we remember that when we're judging others on their beliefs (when based on scriptures)

Romans 14:1 Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. 2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. 3 The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. 4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. 7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11 For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall give praise to God.”
12 So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way.

I believe we should confront a brother's “crackpot” idea, but do it gently, in God's timing,  with the same love and patience God gave to us when we were wrong. Putting another's “back against the wall” by beating them down, only puts obstacles/stumbling blocks in their way.

One last point, listen to what others are saying as it may be you who has the “cracked pot” idea. Remember the whole of Scripture is our safeguard
My opinion – Wm

[david]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 01 2012,02:29)

d Quote MY QUESTION: The child that was hit growing up, is their brain “healthy”? Also, when a person has an increased chance of all these things from being traumatized as a child, is it because a demon is influencing the person, or is it rather because their BRAIN was affected greatly by the things the person experienced? I have a better question to you ;; why is it that your description happen in the first place ?

In almost all cases, it is because of a mixture of cultural tradition, and psychological, sexual, or physical abuse that the parent themself experienced as a child.

“My parents beat me, so I have serious issues. I'm going to hit my child because my brain doesn't work rationally because I was traumatized as a child.” Repeat for centuries, and we see the result.

You can take any animal and produce the same results. I don't suggest it, but if you traumatize an animal, it's behaviour won't be normal. It's not because of demons. It's because their brains are messed up.

Children learn from parents. Often when you hear stories of a person that did heinous things, if you check, you will find that is person was treated very badly as a child, and experienced things that children should not see or experience.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 02 2012,08:37)

To All, Well seems most agree that there are “crackpot” ideas out there. I made the point that we assign them to others, since from our perspective (our understanding of scriptures, etc.) we are fit to judge what is actual truth. But I would declare that most of us have changed our positions on what's true over the years, most would say that they have moved away from “crackpot” ideas towards more truth. So do we remember that when we're judging others on their beliefs (when based on scriptures) Romans 14:1 Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. 2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. 3 The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. 4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. 7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11 For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall give praise to God.” 12 So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way. I believe we should confront a brother's “crackpot” idea, but do it gently, in God's timing,  with the same love and patience God gave to us when we were wrong. Putting another's “back against the wall” by beating them down, only puts obstacles/stumbling blocks in their way. One last point, listen to what others are saying as it may be you who has the “cracked pot” idea. Remember the whole of Scripture is our safeguard My opinion – Wm

Seekingtruth………….Good Post brother.

peace and love to you andn yours…………………………gene

[942767]

The following are crackpot doctrines in my opinion:

Jesus pre-existed in the “form of God” prior to his birth into this world as a man child.
The Holy Spirit is the “third person of a Tri-une God
Jesus is “God the Son”
The virgin Mary is sinnless
The virgin Mary is the mother of God
All of humanity except for Jesus were born sinners (doctrine of original sin)
When men die in sin they immediately go to hell
The soul is eternal, and therefore, men will live forever either in heaven or in hell
Only the 144,000 have been born again

Love in Christ,
Marty

[mikeboll64]

Quote (david @ Dec. 01 2012,16:45)

In almost all cases, it is because of a mixture of cultural tradition, and psychological, sexual, or physical abuse that the parent themself experienced as a child.

David,

You're just moving the problem down the line to an earlier time in history.  Why did the parent's parent treat the parent so badly?  Because HIS parents treated HIM badly?  Okay, why did THOSE PARENTS treat HIM so badly?  

And so on, and so on.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 01 2012,15:37)

I believe we should confront a brother's “crackpot” idea, but do it gently, in God's timing,  with the same love and patience God gave to us when we were wrong. Putting another's “back against the wall” by beating them down, only puts obstacles/stumbling blocks in their way.

Wm,

Those were excellent words from Paul that you quoted.  We will all do well to keep that teaching in mind.

That being said, I don't ever go right after the jugular vein when someone joins this site and starts claiming unscriptural things.  I start off on an even keel, using gentleness and scriptures.  But once they start insisting upon some unscriptural doctrine, and trying to teach it to others here, off come the gloves.

And the best way I've found is by using the scriptures themselves to back them against the wall with their flawed doctrines.  That way, even though the offending person rarely says, “Oh, I see it now, I was wrong”, the OTHER PEOPLE who read these threads will see how easily scriptures backed those doctrines against a wall.

And in that way, I hope to stop the “offenders” from becoming a stumbling block to others here.

[terraricca]

Quote (david @ Dec. 02 2012,04:45)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 01 2012,02:29) d Quote MY QUESTION: The child that was hit growing up, is their brain “healthy”? Also, when a person has an increased chance of all these things from being traumatized as a child, is it because a demon is influencing the person, or is it rather because their BRAIN was affected greatly by the things the person experienced? I have a better question to you ;; why is it that your description happen in the first place ? In almost all cases, it is because of a mixture of cultural tradition, and psychological, sexual, or physical abuse that the parent themself experienced as a child.   “My parents beat me, so I have serious issues.  I'm going to hit my child because my brain doesn't work rationally because I was traumatized as a child.”  Repeat for centuries, and we see the result. You can take any animal and produce the same results.  I don't suggest it, but if you traumatize an animal, it's behaviour won't be normal. It's not because of demons. It's because their brains are messed up. Children learn from parents.  Often when you hear stories of a person that did heinous things, if you check, you will find that is person was treated very badly as a child, and experienced things that children should not see or experience.

David

Sounds like Sodome and Gmorra,perversion to the core

[seekingtruth]

Mike,
Please believe I did not write this with you in mind (though if I made a list I'm sure you would have been on it ). I feel compelled to remind myself and others not to take disagreements personally, to keep a loving attitude and an open mind, I believe truth will win out and those from the sidelines are encouraged more from truth presented (even if your opponent rejects it at the time) in a loving manner, than winning the argument and destroying your opponent in the process.

“Truth” used as a weapon to beat someone into submission does little to change the heart, only the Holy Spirit can do that and that's what I believe Paul meant by “To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. Give God time to work.

My opinion – Wm

[seekingtruth]

The following are what I believe to be crackpot doctrines:

Doctrines shaped by desires
Doctrines based on partial truths
Doctrines based on ignorance
Doctrines based on extremes
Doctrines based on emotions
Doctrines based on snippets from scripture (ignoring the whole of scripture)
Doctrines not based on scripture

In my opinion – Wm

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