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Quote (terraricca @ July 20 2013,14:13) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,09:02) Quote (terraricca @ July 20 2013,12:48) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,07:35) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,11:19) Hi Pierre, Wisdom is “The Word” of God, which is God's HolySpirit;
whether you agree or NOT really doesn't matter…
…this *IS* what the Bible actually teaches!God bless
Ed J
Hi Pierre, none of these verses disagree with what I said?“Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things,
which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the
HolySpirit sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.” (1 Peter 1:12)“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God
spake as they were moved by the HolySpirit.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)You just saying that they do IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
Please explain WHY YOU believe that they do?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I do not understand your question
Wisdom is “The Word” of God, which is God's HolySpirit.
If the written word of God is the truth ,it is so because it written under the influence of the Spirit of truth (holy spirit)so the written words can not be the spirit of truth which it as been influence by,
“The Word” is the wisdom of God;
and wisdom comes from the HolySpirit.
The HolySpirit plants the seed(spirit) of God.
The Seed is God's HolySpirit, which produces
The Word, which is the wisdom of God(=HolySpirit).Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,09:32) Quote (terraricca @ July 20 2013,14:13) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,09:02) Quote (terraricca @ July 20 2013,12:48) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,07:35) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,11:19) Hi Pierre, Wisdom is “The Word” of God, which is God's HolySpirit;
whether you agree or NOT really doesn't matter…
…this *IS* what the Bible actually teaches!God bless
Ed J
Hi Pierre, none of these verses disagree with what I said?“Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things,
which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the
HolySpirit sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.” (1 Peter 1:12)“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God
spake as they were moved by the HolySpirit.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)You just saying that they do IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
Please explain WHY YOU believe that they do?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I do not understand your question
Wisdom is “The Word” of God, which is God's HolySpirit.
If the written word of God is the truth ,it is so because it written under the influence of the Spirit of truth (holy spirit)so the written words can not be the spirit of truth which it as been influence by,
“The Word” is the wisdom of God;
and wisdom comes from the HolySpirit.
The HolySpirit plants the seed(spirit) of God.
The Seed is God's HolySpirit, which produces
The Word, which is the wisdom of God(=HolySpirit).Quote 1)”The Word” is the wisdom of God;
and 2)wisdom comes from the HolySpirit.
3)The HolySpirit plants the seed(spirit) of God.
4)The Seed is God's HolySpirit, which produces
5)The Word, which is the wisdom of God(=HolySpirit).answers;
1) no,the written word are the communication with men from God (understand that the wisdom of God can not be understood by men)
2) NO,wisdom his knowledge that God as provided to men for his purpose through the holy spirit of truth ,
3)NO, the planting as been done by God through the spirit of truth (HS) but the he as given some men the understanding so that they can and must spread the seed first to the Jews then the gentiles ,
4)NO, the SEED his the message that gives hope,faith,and life
5) NO; again the written word of God is God communication to men for his purpose ,knowledge ,understanding of that knowledge so it can be used in actions ,all as been written under the guideline of the holy spirit (spirit of truth)
I put number to your quote easier to respond to ,
Quote (abe @ July 19 2013,07:32) Quote (2besee @ July 18 2013,01:05) Quote Hi 2b, Prov.8:22 Jehovah possessed me(Wisdom) in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water.
25Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills was I brought forth;
26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world.
27When he established the heavens, I was there: When he Set a Circle Upon the face of the deep,
:14 Counsel is mine, and sound knowledge: I am understanding; I have might.
Is.11:2 And the Spirit of Jehovah shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
Job38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,
2″Who is this that darkens counsel By words without knowledge?
3″Now gird up your loins like a man, And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!
4″Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell [Me], if you have understanding,
5Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it?
6″On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the Morning Stars sang together And all the *Sons of God* shouted for joy?
Rev.22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and *Morning Star.*
Hi Abe,
Please give me your understanding of the verses in your post – especially about the “Morning Star”.I believe that wisdom like word is a part of God, and that the writing on wisdom is a poetic type of way of personalizing God's own wisdom, though I could be wrong.
Enlighten me!
Hi 2b,(Quote)
I believe that wisdom like word is a part of God,1Cor.1:30 And of him(God) are you in Christ Jesus, who of God is Made unto us Wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Cor.1:24 But unto them who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the Power of God, and the Wisdom Of God.
*(2 of 7).*
(Quote)
Please give me your understanding of the verses in your post – especially about the “Morning Star”.Is.14:12 “How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!
Lk.10:18 And he(Jesus) said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Rev.12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Heb.12:11 For both he that sanctifies and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
12 Saying, I will declare your name unto my brethren, in the midst of the congregation will I sing praise unto you.
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children whom God has given me.
14 Since therefore the children partake of blood and flesh, he also, in like manner, took part in the same, that through death he might annul him who has the *might* of death, that is, the devil;
15 and might set free all those who through fear of death through the whole of their life were subject to bondage.
16 For he does not indeed take hold of angels by the hand, but he takes hold of the Seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore it behoved him in all things to be made like to his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people;
18 for, in that himself has suffered, being tempted, he is able to help those that are being tempted.:14 Since therefore the children partake of blood and flesh, he also, in like manner, took part in the same, that through death he might annul him who has the *might* of death, that is, the devil;
*might* of death,
This word is not Power.(Strongs#1411)
*might* (Strongs#2904)
Word Origin
a prim. word
Definition
strength, might
NASB Translation
dominion (6), might (1), mightily (1), mighty deeds (1), power (1), strength (2).Heb.2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
:16 For verily not of angels doth he(Jesus) take hold, but he taketh hold of the seed of Abraham.(Christ).
Gal.3:16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ.
This is why Christ is in All.
:14Since therefore the children partake of blood and flesh, he also, in like manner, took part in the same, that through death he might *Annul* him who has the *might* of death, that is, the devil;
Rev.2:26 And he that overcomes, and he that keeps unto the end my works, to him will I give authority over the nations, 27and he shall shepherd them with an iron rod; as vessels of pottery are they broken in pieces, as I also have received from my Father; 28and I will give to him the
*Morning star.*
Gal.3:16 Is the clearest verse in the Bible….And the most Misunderstood.
The Fulfillment of the Promise is the Beginning of Christianity.
Peace brother……………
Abe…….thanks.
I get what the verses are saying, I see the connection, and then I don't. I really want to know! But okay, maybe when I read the scriptures beginning to end, (which I've never done). I'm finished Genesis now is Exodus.
Let you know how I go:)
Quote (2besee @ July 19 2013,18:02) I personally do not read the AKJV because I do not like its language style.
I'm with you on that one. I don't speak Shakespearian English, so why read a Bible that is written in that language?That being said, after I finish with the NET Bible (I start 2 Kings tomorrow), I am going to try Young's Literal – which has that same Olde English writing. I'm sure it will be challenging for me.
My dad has an old comic he clipped out years ago, where a young pastor is explaining to an older pastor that he uses a modern English Bible in his sermons, because people today don't talk like the KJV anymore. The old pastor replies: “If the King James Version was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me!”
To All………..Wisdom, is not a person , “IT” is an ATRIBUTE of a person, it is SPIRIT. AS Abe said it is ONE of the SEVEN SPIRITS of GOD. “IT” is considered the CHIEF of all SPIRITS, “IT” gives us discernment , to judge outcome before it even happens. Therefore THE LORD , Through “IT”, knows the end from the beginning.
Spirits are not persons or beings they are ATRIBUTES supplied to beings and Persons they are the intellects that compose and give us our cognate awareness they are what life itself is, and are in all life forms that have any kind of life in them. There is NO life without Spirits. Spirits are “EXPRESSED” through WORDS,and DEEDS, even the LORD our GOD'S words, and DEEDS are from his own SPIRITS, expressing Themselves through him to us. Therefore Jesus says, the words I am telling you “ARE” spirit and are “LIFE” and remember he said those words were not his words he was speaking.
Peace and love to the Israel of GOD………………………..gene
Hi Mike I knew nothing….as I imagined I did, much. What I mean is, I have missed so much in not knowing the Old Testament. I have read parts if the Old Testament, even whole books, but not in order and not fully.
I'm LOVING reading the Bible in this way.I was completely ignorant of half of the stories in the Old Testament.
I'm so hooked on reading that I don't have much time to post.
Quote I am going to try Young's Literal – which has that same Olde English writing. I'm sure it will be challenging for me The Jerusalem Bible is good, if you can get hold of one.
Okay. Perhaps after Young's.
(The NET Bible is taking me forever, because I'm reading every footnote as I go. In many chapters, there are more footnotes than verses.
)Quote (2besee @ July 20 2013,22:17) I was completely ignorant of half of the stories in the Old Testament. I'm so hooked on reading that I don't have much time to post.
Bravo, 2B!The same happened to me. I started with the NWT, then the NIV (my fave so far), then the CEV, then the NASB, and currently the NET. All of them start to finish.
I am hooked and will continue with this perpetual daily reading as long as God allows.
Every time I read it, I learn many more things that went over my head the previous time(s). I'm sure the same will happen to you on your learning journey.
Godspeed my friend.
Mike just a note: My JB is old something like 1965 (popular edition). Today they sell the New Jerusalem Bible, which maybe slightly different, though I'm sure that you could find an older one if you hunt around
Later.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 20 2013,10:58) To All………..Wisdom, is not a person , “IT” is an ATRIBUTE of a person, it is SPIRIT. AS Abe said it is ONE of the SEVEN SPIRITS of GOD. “IT” is considered the CHIEF of all SPIRITS, “IT” gives us discernment , to judge outcome before it even happens. Therefore THE LORD , Through “IT”, knows the end from the beginning. Spirits are not persons or beings they are ATRIBUTES supplied to beings and Persons they are the intellects that compose and give us our cognate awareness they are what life itself is, and are in all life forms that have any kind of life in them. There is NO life without Spirits. Spirits are “EXPRESSED” through WORDS,and DEEDS, even the LORD our GOD'S words, and DEEDS are from his own SPIRITS, expressing Themselves through him to us. Therefore Jesus says, the words I am telling you “ARE” spirit and are “LIFE” and remember he said those words were not his words he was speaking.
Peace and love to the Israel of GOD………………………..gene
Hi Gene,Good Post.
Peace brother..
Gene, I agree. Even though I do not always comment – your posts are read – and they are good brother. Abe also.
Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2013,01:59) EDJ PAGE 29
What?Do you want me to tell you why I disagree with you?
(on the FIVE points on the second post on page 29)ED
Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2013,08:58) Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2013,01:59) EDJ PAGE 29
What?Do you want me to tell you why I disagree with you?
(on the FIVE points on the second post on page 29)ED
YESQuote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,06:27) Quote (2besee @ July 20 2013,11:02) Thank you Gene, and the same to you. I'm wondering why Ed J seems to be so obsessed with his belief that the AKJV is the only true version of the Bible?
Ed,
The only differences that I see in your translation and mine is:Filleth v Fills
Containeth v Contains
Malicious v Wrongdoer
Will flee v FleesSimple differences.
I personally do not read the AKJV because I do not like its language style.
We are all different.
If you prefer the AKJV then that is your personal liking, that is all! Don't you think?Still, it's good that your “AKJV” version has the books in it such as the wisdom of Solomon and that we can see that wisdom is the Holy Spirit.
Hi 2Besee,I'm not going to critique uninspired translations, you can
argue with someone else that mans words are God's words.The books of the Apocrypha ARE NOT BIBLICAL CANON (only 66 books are canon).
There are inspired words of God in many places outside of biblical text(=66 books).Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed,So you believe Anglicans are inspired. Then why don't you follow their teachings?
Quote (kerwin @ July 24 2013,14:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,06:27) Hi 2Besee, I'm not going to critique uninspired translations, you can
argue with someone else that mans words are God's words.The books of the Apocrypha ARE NOT BIBLICAL CANON (only 66 books are canon).
There are inspired words of God in many places outside of biblical text(=66 books).Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
Ed,So you believe Anglicans are inspired. Then why don't you follow their teachings?
Hi Kerwin,What are you talking about?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 24 2013,10:40) Quote (kerwin @ July 24 2013,14:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,06:27) Hi 2Besee, I'm not going to critique uninspired translations, you can
argue with someone else that mans words are God's words.The books of the Apocrypha ARE NOT BIBLICAL CANON (only 66 books are canon).
There are inspired words of God in many places outside of biblical text(=66 books).Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
Ed,So you believe Anglicans are inspired. Then why don't you follow their teachings?
Hi Kerwin,What are you talking about?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed,Either the Anglican translators of the AKJV were inspired or the AKJV is not inspired. Only those that are carried along by the holy spirit can make an inspired translation.
Cannon is a a post apostolic device.
Quote (terraricca @ July 20 2013,15:12) 2013,07:35] Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,11:19) 1)”The Word” is the wisdom of God;
and 2)wisdom comes from the HolySpirit.
3)The HolySpirit plants the seed(spirit) of God.
4)The Seed is God's HolySpirit, which produces
5)The Word, which is the wisdom of God(=HolySpirit).answers;
1) no,the written word are the communication with men from God (understand that the wisdom of God can not be understood by men)
2) NO,wisdom his knowledge that God as provided to men for his purpose through the holy spirit of truth ,
3)NO, the planting as been done by God through the spirit of truth (HS) but the he as given some men the understanding so that they can and must spread the seed first to the Jews then the gentiles ,
4)NO, the SEED his the message that gives hope,faith,and life
5) NO; again the written word of God is God communication to men for his purpose ,knowledge ,understanding of that knowledge so it can be used in actions ,all as been written under the guideline of the holy spirit (spirit of truth)
I put number to your quote easier to respond to ,
Hi Pierre,1) Jeremiah 8:9
2) Exodus 35:31
3) Matthew 12:37
4) 1Corinthians 12:13
5) Luke 21:15God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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