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Abe, It is good that we both have the JB – though yours is the Douay Rheims.
I think yours would have all of the “thees and thous”!
Quote (2besee @ July 18 2013,22:05) Abe,
This is in the bible that I'm reading at the moment, it's the Jerusalem Bible which has deuterocanical books in it.
Here is one part where wisdom and the spirit seem to be one:The book of Wisdom.
The Jerusalem Bible.Chapter 1.
4 Wisdom will never enter the soul of a wrong-doer, nor dwell in a body enslaved to sin;
5 for the holy spirit of instruction flees deceitfulness, recoils from unintelligent thoughts, is thwarted by the onset of vice.
6 Wisdom is a spirit friendly to humanity, though she will not let a blasphemer's words go unpunished; since God observes the very soul and accurately surveys the heart, listening to every word.
7 For the spirit of the Lord fills the world, and that which holds everything together knows every word said.
2besee……….Very good post brother, true and accurate also.Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Abe…..Good post also, I believe we all can learn from your and 2besee's posts.
Peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 20 2013,03:50) 2besee……….Very good post brother, true and accurate also. Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Hi Gene,Actually it is NOT-SO accurate as to be “true.” I will post what
“The Wisdom of Solomon” actually says in my next post (to be seen).Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ July 18 2013,22:05) Abe,
This is in the bible that I'm reading at the moment, it's the Jerusalem Bible which has deuterocanical books in it.
Here is one part where wisdom and the spirit seem to be one:The book of Wisdom.
The Jerusalem Bible.Chapter 1.
4 Wisdom will never enter the soul of a wrong-doer, nor dwell in a body enslaved to sin;
5 for the holy spirit of instruction flees deceitfulness, recoils from unintelligent thoughts, is thwarted by the onset of vice.
6 Wisdom is a spirit friendly to humanity, though she will not let a blasphemer's words go unpunished; since God observes the very soul and accurately surveys the heart, listening to every word.
7 For the spirit of the Lord fills the world, and that which holds everything together knows every word said.
Hi 2Besee,“Wisdom” is identified as God's HolySpirit in The Wisdom of Solomon:
(one of the books of the Apocrypha)Wisdom of Solomon Chapter 1: (Translated by the AKJV Translators)
4 For into a malicious soul Wisdom shall not enter: nor dwell in the body that is subject to sin;
5 For the HolySpirit of discipline will flee deceit, and remove from thoughts
that are without understanding, and will not abide when unrighteousness cometh in.6 For Wisdom is a loving spirit (see 1John 4:8); for wisdom will not acquit a blasphemer of his word:
for God is a witness of his reins, and a true beholder of his heart, and a hearer of his tongue.7 For the Spirit of the Lord filleth the world: and that which containeth all things hath knowledge of the voice.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
NOTE: The Apocrypha was translated by the “AKJV Bible” TranslatorsQuote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,07:45) “Wisdom” is identified as God's HolySpirit in The Wisdom of Solomon:
(one of the books of the Apocrypha)Wisdom of Solomon Chapter 1: (Translated by the AKJV Translators)
4 For into a malicious soul Wisdom shall not enter: nor dwell in the body that is subject to sin;
5 For the HolySpirit of discipline will flee deceit, and remove from thoughts
that are without understanding, and will not abide when unrighteousness cometh in.6 For Wisdom is a loving spirit (see 1John 4:8); for wisdom will not acquit a blasphemer of his word:
for God is a witness of his reins, and a true beholder of his heart, and a hearer of his tongue.7 For the Spirit of the Lord filleth the world: and that which containeth all things hath knowledge of the voice.
Hi Gene,This is true and accurate.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ July 17 2013,19:54) So, Gene and all others are completely correct when they state that TO THEM there is only one God!
I can get on board with that, 2B………. as long as you guys don't go against scriptures and claim that there is literally only one god, period. Because scripture speaks of many of them.I'll leave this thread now, but do yourself a favor and never forget that Jehovah couldn't possibly be the god of gods if there were no gods for Him to be the god of.
Nor could He be the Most High god if there didn't exist any less high gods.
That's really the long and the short of it, my friend.
I wish you peace and understanding from God as you read the JB.
Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,02:55) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,07:45) “Wisdom” is identified as God's HolySpirit in The Wisdom of Solomon:
(one of the books of the Apocrypha)Wisdom of Solomon Chapter 1: (Translated by the AKJV Translators)
4 For into a malicious soul Wisdom shall not enter: nor dwell in the body that is subject to sin;
5 For the HolySpirit of discipline will flee deceit, and remove from thoughts
that are without understanding, and will not abide when unrighteousness cometh in.6 For Wisdom is a loving spirit (see 1John 4:8); for wisdom will not acquit a blasphemer of his word:
for God is a witness of his reins, and a true beholder of his heart, and a hearer of his tongue.7 For the Spirit of the Lord filleth the world: and that which containeth all things hath knowledge of the voice.
Hi Gene,This is true and accurate.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjI would agree under the condition first that someone tells me WHAT HIS THAT “WISDOM”
Thank you Gene, and the same to you.
I'm wondering why Ed J seems to be so obsessed with his belief that the AKJV is the only true version of the Bible?
Ed,
The only differences that I see in your translation and mine is:Filleth v Fills
Containeth v Contains
Malicious v Wrongdoer
Will flee v FleesSimple differences.
I personally do not read the AKJV because I do not like its language style.
We are all different.
If you prefer the AKJV then that is your personal liking, that is all!
Don't you think?Still, it's good that your “AKJV” version has the books in it such as the wisdom of Solomon and that we can see that wisdom is the Holy Spirit.
Quote (terraricca @ July 20 2013,10:42) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,02:55) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,07:45) “Wisdom” is identified as God's HolySpirit in The Wisdom of Solomon:
(one of the books of the Apocrypha)Wisdom of Solomon Chapter 1: (Translated by the AKJV Translators)
4 For into a malicious soul Wisdom shall not enter: nor dwell in the body that is subject to sin;
5 For the HolySpirit of discipline will flee deceit, and remove from thoughts
that are without understanding, and will not abide when unrighteousness cometh in.6 For Wisdom is a loving spirit (see 1John 4:8); for wisdom will not acquit a blasphemer of his word:
for God is a witness of his reins, and a true beholder of his heart, and a hearer of his tongue.7 For the Spirit of the Lord filleth the world: and that which containeth all things hath knowledge of the voice.
Hi Gene,This is true and accurate.
God bless
Ed J
edjI would agree under the condition first that someone tells me WHAT HIS THAT “WISDOM”
Hi Pierre,Wisdom is “The Word” of God, which is God's HolySpirit;
whether you agree or NOT really doesn't matter…
…this *IS* what the Bible actually teaches!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Reason for edit: Spelling errorQuote (2besee @ July 20 2013,11:02) Thank you Gene, and the same to you. I'm wondering why Ed J seems to be so obsessed with his belief that the AKJV is the only true version of the Bible?
Ed,
The only differences that I see in your translation and mine is:Filleth v Fills
Containeth v Contains
Malicious v Wrongdoer
Will flee v FleesSimple differences.
I personally do not read the AKJV because I do not like its language style.
We are all different.
If you prefer the AKJV then that is your personal liking, that is all! Don't you think?Still, it's good that your “AKJV” version has the books in it such as the wisdom of Solomon and that we can see that wisdom is the Holy Spirit.
Hi 2Besee,I'm not going to critique uninspired translations, you can
argue with someone else that mans words are God's words.The books of the Apocrypha ARE NOT BIBLICAL CANON (only 66 books are canon).
There are inspired words of God in many places outside of biblical text(=66 books).Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,06:19) Quote (terraricca @ July 20 2013,10:42) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,02:55) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,07:45) “Wisdom” is identified as God's HolySpirit in The Wisdom of Solomon:
(one of the books of the Apocrypha)Wisdom of Solomon Chapter 1: (Translated by the AKJV Translators)
4 For into a malicious soul Wisdom shall not enter: nor dwell in the body that is subject to sin;
5 For the HolySpirit of discipline will flee deceit, and remove from thoughts
that are without understanding, and will not abide when unrighteousness cometh in.6 For Wisdom is a loving spirit (see 1John 4:8); for wisdom will not acquit a blasphemer of his word:
for God is a witness of his reins, and a true beholder of his heart, and a hearer of his tongue.7 For the Spirit of the Lord filleth the world: and that which containeth all things hath knowledge of the voice.
Hi Gene,This is true and accurate.
God bless
Ed J
edjI would agree under the condition first that someone tells me WHAT HIS THAT “WISDOM”
Hi Pierre,Wisdom is “The Word” of God, which is God's HolySpirit;
whether you agree or NOT really doesn't matter…
…this *IS* what the Bible actually teaches!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Reason for edit: Spelling error
edjbut the scriptures do not agree with you;
1Pe 1:12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.
Quote Wisdom is “The Word” of God, which is God's HolySpirit; this is not what scriptures saying ;
2Pe 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.so truth is not coming out of you
Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,11:19) Hi Pierre, Wisdom is “The Word” of God, which is God's HolySpirit;
whether you agree or NOT really doesn't matter…
…this *IS* what the Bible actually teaches!God bless
Ed J
Hi Pierre, none of these verses disagree with what I said?“Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things,
which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the
HolySpirit sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.” (1 Peter 1:12)“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God
spake as they were moved by the HolySpirit.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)You just saying that they do IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
Please explain WHY YOU believe that they do?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,07:35) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,11:19) Hi Pierre, Wisdom is “The Word” of God, which is God's HolySpirit;
whether you agree or NOT really doesn't matter…
…this *IS* what the Bible actually teaches!God bless
Ed J
Hi Pierre, none of these verses disagree with what I said?“Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things,
which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the
HolySpirit sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.” (1 Peter 1:12)“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God
spake as they were moved by the HolySpirit.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)You just saying that they do IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
Please explain WHY YOU believe that they do?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I do not understand your questionQuote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,07:36) Quote (terraricca @ July 20 2013,11:49) so truth is not coming out of you
Spin Quote (terraricca @ July 20 2013,12:48) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,07:35) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,11:19) Hi Pierre, Wisdom is “The Word” of God, which is God's HolySpirit;
whether you agree or NOT really doesn't matter…
…this *IS* what the Bible actually teaches!God bless
Ed J
Hi Pierre, none of these verses disagree with what I said?“Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things,
which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the
HolySpirit sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.” (1 Peter 1:12)“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God
spake as they were moved by the HolySpirit.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)You just saying that they do IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
Please explain WHY YOU believe that they do?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I do not understand your question
Wisdom is “The Word” of God, which is God's HolySpirit.Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,09:02) Quote (terraricca @ July 20 2013,12:48) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,07:35) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,11:19) Hi Pierre, Wisdom is “The Word” of God, which is God's HolySpirit;
whether you agree or NOT really doesn't matter…
…this *IS* what the Bible actually teaches!God bless
Ed J
Hi Pierre, none of these verses disagree with what I said?“Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things,
which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the
HolySpirit sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.” (1 Peter 1:12)“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God
spake as they were moved by the HolySpirit.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)You just saying that they do IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
Please explain WHY YOU believe that they do?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I do not understand your question
Wisdom is “The Word” of God, which is God's HolySpirit.
If the written word of God is the truth ,it is so because it written under the influence of the Spirit of truth (holy spirit)so the written words can not be the spirit of truth which it as been influence by,
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