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Quote (abe @ July 12 2013,14:48) Col.3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and *in all*.
Abe,This is the only of your scriptures that say Christ is “in” anyone at all. And it is quite clear from the context that Paul was speaking about those who have rid themselves of “sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, idolatry, anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language”. He is speaking about Christ being “in” those who have put off the old self, and put on the new self.
I agree with Paul that Christ is truly “in” (metaphorically speaking, of course) people such as these.
But that would not include Christ being in the murderer as he is committing the murder, would it? So I stand by my answer to your original question.
Quote (kerwin @ July 12 2013,15:42) biblesuite.com says “eloah” is prol. from el. I have no sound idea what prol. abbreviates.
Maybe it is southern English, and means: “prolly” – ie: “probably”.
Abe………The word IN is a very complexly word, it can carry many types of meanings from, being attached to, as in the group, or within the envelope, or room, , I believe with regards to Jesus it is meaning Being attached to in some way, through faith. Now with regards to, all things in Christ , I believe it is referencing that Gods, plan for all humanity is what Jesus is, he is the ultimate goal God has in mind for us all, the finish product of Gods purpose for mankind, so all things God is creating in man, is tied up in Jesus Christ, in this way the term “IN” is being used there. We are in Christ Jesus to the degree that Goal of GOD, is being performed in us, and we are conforming to it, also. This is what is meant by all things being summed up in Christ Jesus , both the things in heaven and in earth, “IN” HIM, is all things summed up, it is (for this very reason)' we were all created, IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours ………………………………gene
Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,01:48) Quote (kerwin @ July 13 2013,21:16) T, I have read your post.
Kare you agree or disagree with me
T,I am not sure.
Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,23:43) Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,01:48) Quote (kerwin @ July 13 2013,21:16) T, I have read your post.
Kare you agree or disagree with me
T,I am not sure.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 14 2013,08:15) Abe………The word IN is a very complexly word, it can carry many types of meanings from, being attached to, as in the group, or within the envelope, or room, , I believe with regards to Jesus it is meaning Being attached to in some way, through faith. Now with regards to, all things in Christ , I believe it is referencing that Gods, plan for all humanity is what Jesus performed, he is the ultimate goal God has in mind for us all, the finish product of Gods purpose for mankind, so all things God is doing is tied up in Jesus Christ, in this way the term IN is being used there. We are in Christ Jesus to the degree that Goal of GOD, is being performed in us, and we are conforming to it, also. This is what is meant by all things being summed up in Christ Jesus , both the things in heaven and in earth, IN HIM, is all things summed up, it is (for this very reason)' we were all created, IMO. Peace and love to you and yours ………………………………gene
Hi Gene,Col.1:15-17 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and *unto(into)* him; and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.
for *in* him were all things created,
all things have been created through him, and *unto(into)* him;
and *in* him all things consist.
Col.1:17 He is before all things, and *in* Him all things hold together.
*Who is the Image of the invisible God,*
Eph.4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and *in* you all.
*Who is the Image of the invisible God,*
I can not see it any Plainer than this.
Peace brother….
Quote (abe @ July 15 2013,16:14) I can not see it any Plainer than this.
I haven't a clue what point you're making to Gene, Abe.
Does anyone else know what point Abe is making to Gene? If so, could you translate into English for the rest of us?
Abe……you are right, but let me try to explain how the term “IN” is being applied there OK.
Here we go , God had a plan for all human creation before there was ever one human created on this earth. Jesus the first from mankind fulfilled that Goal God the Father has in mind for us all. Everything created is for mankind, the is nothing that exists in this physical world or worlds that has not been made for man. Notice this, about mankind in scriptures,
” for what is “man”, that thou art mindful of him, thou has made him a little lower then the angels, thou hast “CROWNED” him with glory and honor, thou has put “ALL THINGS” under his (mankind's) feet, in that thou has put “ALL THINGS” under His (mankind's) feet thou has left “NOTHING” that is not under his ( mankind's) feet.”
You see brother, God planned it all along for “ALL” mankind, so how does this fit with the word “IN” , lets continue,
but we do not ” YET” , see “ALL” things, under his (mankind's) feet, but what do we see, we see Jesus, who was also made a little lower than the angels (just like us) for the tasting of death, “NOW” crowned with glory and honor, and all thing are “NOW” under his feet.
Do you see this ABE, Jesus .”NOW” has accomplished what God has in mind for us “ALL”, so, “IN” him is the goal accomplished , now we have to “ALL” reach that goal also, Jesus is Just the First to have, but not the last to accomplish it. for it is God the Fathers Will, we “ALL”, come unto the “full” measure and stature of Christ Jesus, because, now are all things, God had in mind for us “ALL” accomplished “IN HIM” (Jesus) things in heaven and things in the earth .
We are “joint” heirs with him in all these things, he is the first but far from the last even though the last will be JUST LIKE HIM, we will all be in the full image of God, because he has made us to be in “his IMAGE to reflect him in all we do. All of this is NOW, fulfilled “IN” Jesus Christ. We too will be exactly like Jesus is , therefore the last will be like the First, OUR BROTHER, Jesus Christ in the family of GOD. So when we look at Jesus, it can be said “IN” HIM is all accomplished concerning the will and power of GOD the FATHER in us and for us “ALL”, IMO
Peace and love to you and yours brother…………………………….gene
Mike, Regarding your post on page 23:
This is how I see it:
“God” in scripture when not used for the Almighty is a title which is used for anybody or anything which has been appointed as having power and authority by others.
Moses was called “The God of his brethren Aaron” because God Almighty spoke his mind to Moses and Moses spoke those same words to Aaron as though it was God Almighty himself who spoke to Aaron.
Man (in error) has himself appointed power and authority to other beings or things even down to wood and stone idols calling them gods.
It is the same as the title “lord” such as if we address a judge today we say “My Lord” as a mark of respect for his position in a seat of judgment.
But to a Christian, ALTHOUGH there are those who are CALLED “gods or lords”, to US there is ONLY ONE GOD – the Father… and our God has appointed Jesus Christ to be our Lord.
“There is none other God but one. For though there be those that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, to us there is one God, the father of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ for whom are all things, and we for him.”
“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, Has in these last days spoken to us by a Son, who he has appointed heir of all things, for whom also he made the age.”
So, Gene and all others are completely correct when they state that TO THEM there is only one God!!
(I have nothing further to say on this Mike and all as I'm busy reading scriptures beginning to end!)
2BEE
Quote So, Gene and all others are completely correct when they state that TO THEM there is only one God!! And so it should be today. (I have nothing further to say on this Mike and all as I'm busy reading scriptures beginning to end!)
you should have waited that you have finish reading the scriptures entirely ,before given this comment because you have a bias view ,this sort of view is ban in scriptures ,
there are many gods SAY PAUL ;THEN HE GOES ON AND SAYS “BUT TO US OR BUT TO US ” YOU SEE PAUL CANCELS OUT ALL OTHER MEN PEOPLE ,AND SO “ONLY TALK ABOUT THE BELIEVERS THAT TO THEM THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND ONE LORD AND THIS IS TRUE UNDER THE NEW COVENANT WITH CHRIST ,BUT NOT TRUE IN THE REALITY OF THE WORLD WE LIVE IN ;THAT IS WHY PAUL ALSO SAYS TO BE SUBDUE TO YOU WORDLY LORDS (MASTERS)(MIGHTY ONES)(WHO HAVE POWER OVER YOU )
but i am sure if you are truthful in you readings you will change your understanding ,
Terraricca, as you already are aware this thread is a discussion between like minded people. That is the rules of this category.
Being endlessly rude, arrogant and obnoxious is definitely NOT being like minded.
Maybe you should follow your OWN ADVICE and AVOID those whom You class as being “false believers”, okay!Thank you.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 16 2013,14:59) Abe……you are right, but let me try to explain how the term “IN” is being applied there OK. Here we go , God had a plan for all human creation before there was ever one human created on this earth. Jesus the first from mankind fulfilled that Goal God the Father has in mind for us all. Everything created is for mankind, the is nothing that exists in this physical world or worlds that has not been made for man. Notice this, about mankind in scriptures,
” for what is “man”, that thou art mindful of him, thou has made him a little lower then the angels, thou hast “CROWNED” him with glory and honor, thou has put “ALL THINGS” under his (mankind's) feet, in that thou has put “ALL THINGS” under His (mankind's) feet thou has left “NOTHING” that is not under his ( mankind's) feet.”
You see brother, God planned it all along for “ALL” mankind, so how does this fit with the word “IN” , lets continue,
but we do not ” YET” , see “ALL” things, under his (mankind's) feet, but what do we see, we see Jesus, who was also made a little lower than the angels (just like us) for the tasting of death, “NOW” crowned with glory and honor, and all thing are “NOW” under his feet.
Do you see this ABE, Jesus .”NOW” has accomplished what God has in mind for us “ALL”, so, “IN” him is the goal accomplished , now we have to “ALL” reach that goal also, Jesus is Just the First to have, but not the last to accomplish it. for it is God the Fathers Will, we “ALL”, come unto the “full” measure and stature of Christ Jesus, because, now are all things, God had in mind for us “ALL” accomplished “IN HIM” (Jesus) things in heaven and things in the earth .
We are “joint” heirs with him in all these things, he is the first but far from the last even though the last will be JUST LIKE HIM, we will all be in the full image of God, because he has made us to be in “his IMAGE to reflect him in all we do. All of this is NOW, fulfilled “IN” Jesus Christ. We too will be exactly like Jesus is , therefore the last will be like the First, OUR BROTHER, Jesus Christ in the family of GOD. So when we look at Jesus, it can be said “IN” HIM is all accomplished concerning the will and power of GOD the FATHER in us and for us “ALL”, IMO
Peace and love to you and yours brother…………………………….gene
Hi Gene,2Cor.5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Peace brother…
Quote Hi 2b, Prov.8:22 Jehovah possessed me(Wisdom) in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water.
25Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills was I brought forth;
26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world.
27When he established the heavens, I was there: When he Set a Circle Upon the face of the deep,
:14 Counsel is mine, and sound knowledge: I am understanding; I have might.
Is.11:2 And the Spirit of Jehovah shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
Job38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,
2″Who is this that darkens counsel By words without knowledge?
3″Now gird up your loins like a man, And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!
4″Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell [Me], if you have understanding,
5Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it?
6″On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the Morning Stars sang together And all the *Sons of God* shouted for joy?
Rev.22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and *Morning Star.*
Hi Abe,
Please give me your understanding of the verses in your post – especially about the “Morning Star”.I believe that wisdom like word is a part of God, and that the writing on wisdom is a poetic type of way of personalizing God's own wisdom, though I could be wrong.
Enlighten me!Quote (2besee @ July 18 2013,09:31) Terraricca, as you already are aware this thread is a discussion between like minded people. That is the rules of this category.
Being endlessly rude, arrogant and obnoxious is definitely NOT being like minded.
Maybe you should follow your OWN ADVICE and AVOID those whom You class as being “false believers”, okay!Thank you.
2beeI did not know that you are like minded with Mike.
This wen now you tell me ,me to I am like minded with Mike
Glad to hear this
Abe,
This is in the bible that I'm reading at the moment, it's the Jerusalem Bible which has deuterocanical books in it.
Here is one part where wisdom and the spirit seem to be one:The book of Wisdom.
The Jerusalem Bible.Chapter 1.
4 Wisdom will never enter the soul of a wrong-doer, nor dwell in a body enslaved to sin;
5 for the holy spirit of instruction flees deceitfulness, recoils from unintelligent thoughts, is thwarted by the onset of vice.
6 Wisdom is a spirit friendly to humanity, though she will not let a blasphemer's words go unpunished; since God observes the very soul and accurately surveys the heart, listening to every word.
7 For the spirit of the Lord fills the world, and that which holds everything together knows every word said.
Quote
I did not know that you are like minded with Mike.This wen now you tell me ,me to I am like minded with Mike
Glad to hear this
Terraricca,
It would just be really nice for people to have a conversation without being constantly judged.Quote (2besee @ July 18 2013,01:05) Quote Hi 2b, Prov.8:22 Jehovah possessed me(Wisdom) in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water.
25Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills was I brought forth;
26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world.
27When he established the heavens, I was there: When he Set a Circle Upon the face of the deep,
:14 Counsel is mine, and sound knowledge: I am understanding; I have might.
Is.11:2 And the Spirit of Jehovah shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
Job38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,
2″Who is this that darkens counsel By words without knowledge?
3″Now gird up your loins like a man, And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!
4″Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell [Me], if you have understanding,
5Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it?
6″On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the Morning Stars sang together And all the *Sons of God* shouted for joy?
Rev.22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and *Morning Star.*
Hi Abe,
Please give me your understanding of the verses in your post – especially about the “Morning Star”.I believe that wisdom like word is a part of God, and that the writing on wisdom is a poetic type of way of personalizing God's own wisdom, though I could be wrong.
Enlighten me!
Hi 2b,(Quote)
I believe that wisdom like word is a part of God,1Cor.1:30 And of him(God) are you in Christ Jesus, who of God is Made unto us Wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Cor.1:24 But unto them who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the Power of God, and the Wisdom Of God.
*(2 of 7).*
(Quote)
Please give me your understanding of the verses in your post – especially about the “Morning Star”.Is.14:12 “How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!
Lk.10:18 And he(Jesus) said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Rev.12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Heb.12:11 For both he that sanctifies and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
12 Saying, I will declare your name unto my brethren, in the midst of the congregation will I sing praise unto you.
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children whom God has given me.
14 Since therefore the children partake of blood and flesh, he also, in like manner, took part in the same, that through death he might annul him who has the *might* of death, that is, the devil;
15 and might set free all those who through fear of death through the whole of their life were subject to bondage.
16 For he does not indeed take hold of angels by the hand, but he takes hold of the Seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore it behoved him in all things to be made like to his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people;
18 for, in that himself has suffered, being tempted, he is able to help those that are being tempted.:14 Since therefore the children partake of blood and flesh, he also, in like manner, took part in the same, that through death he might annul him who has the *might* of death, that is, the devil;
*might* of death,
This word is not Power.(Strongs#1411)
*might* (Strongs#2904)
Word Origin
a prim. word
Definition
strength, might
NASB Translation
dominion (6), might (1), mightily (1), mighty deeds (1), power (1), strength (2).Heb.2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
:16 For verily not of angels doth he(Jesus) take hold, but he taketh hold of the seed of Abraham.(Christ).
Gal.3:16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ.
This is why Christ is in All.
:14Since therefore the children partake of blood and flesh, he also, in like manner, took part in the same, that through death he might *Annul* him who has the *might* of death, that is, the devil;
Rev.2:26 And he that overcomes, and he that keeps unto the end my works, to him will I give authority over the nations, 27and he shall shepherd them with an iron rod; as vessels of pottery are they broken in pieces, as I also have received from my Father; 28and I will give to him the
*Morning star.*
Gal.3:16 Is the clearest verse in the Bible….And the most Misunderstood.
The Fulfillment of the Promise is the Beginning of Christianity.
Peace brother……………
Quote (2besee @ July 18 2013,03:05) Abe,
This is in the bible that I'm reading at the moment, it's the Jerusalem Bible which has deuterocanical books in it.
Here is one part where wisdom and the spirit seem to be one:The book of Wisdom.
The Jerusalem Bible.Chapter 1.
4 Wisdom will never enter the soul of a wrong-doer, nor dwell in a body enslaved to sin;
5 for the holy spirit of instruction flees deceitfulness, recoils from unintelligent thoughts, is thwarted by the onset of vice.
6 Wisdom is a spirit friendly to humanity, though she will not let a blasphemer's words go unpunished; since God observes the very soul and accurately surveys the heart, listening to every word.
7 For the spirit of the Lord fills the world, and that which holds everything together knows every word said.
Hi 2b,I have a older version of the Jerusalem Bible.
The Douay Rheims 1749-1752. (Catholic).
Wis.1:6 For the Spirit of Wisdom is benevolent, and will not acquit the evil speaker from his lips: for God is witness of his reins, and he is a true searcher of his heart, and a hearer of his tongue.
:7 For the Spirit of the Lord hath filled the whole world: and that, which containeth all things, hath knowledge of the voice.(J.B.)
6 Wisdom is a spirit friendly to humanity, though she will not let a blasphemer's words go unpunished; since God observes the very soul and accurately surveys the heart, listening to every word.
7 For the spirit of the Lord fills the world, and that which holds everything together knows every word said.(Quote)
Here is one part where wisdom and the spirit seem to be one:Is.11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of Wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Rev.5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which Are the *Seven Spirits of God* sent forth into all the earth. (Past)
Spirit of Wisdom is One of Seven.
God the Father has made them One, through His Son.
The New Covenant.
Jesus Christ Died.
He was Born from the Dead.
Peace brother……..
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